MyoGenX Result Thread

[justinjones1963]

Weekly Update:
Saturday December 2 (Day 8), through Friday December 8 (Day 14) 2006

Sorry for the delay in getting this posted. I went away for a few days after school was out. I did take my MyoGenX with me and kept track of progress

Overall, I have seen no significant changes from my last post. I have noticed better energy levels overall and I would say my ball size is pretty much back to normal. My libido has not gone through the roof though but I have had morning wood every day and I didn’t have that before. I have not noticed any significant increase in semen when jacking off. I have not noticed any noticeable effect on my body composition (i.e. increased muscle mass) but I am not currently working out as I go in for hernia surgery soon.

I do plan on discontinuing MyoGenX this Saturday and want to have my system clean from all supplements prior to surgery and I have not decided when I will go back on. I did increase the dose to four caps per day on Saturday.

On another note (and in reply to some of the anti/pro-supplement posts above & a PM) I did some searching for purchasing Fadogia Agrestis in bulk but it is not readily available. I have two professors who are from Nigeria and have solid business contacts in Nigeria and they are going to look into it. Neither of them heard of it but they were interested in it.

 

[KD1]

On a final note I was wearing a belt when deadlifting and doing squats. Just when you think you take care of all of the precautions shit like this happens

The real kicker is my lifting budy (who doesn't use gear) got a damn hernia doing squats the week after. There must be something in the water at the gym I work out at

Weight belts take pressure off your lower back by increasing the pressure on your abdominals. If you are cinching that belt too tight that will definitely make you a risk for a hernia.

I got one about 10 years ago, stopped using weight belts and never had another problem.

 

[KD1]

Trib, dosnt work, and neither does the horny goat weed..

Ive been very happy with a trib supplement "Tribuloid" by goliath labs.

Definitely increased my libido big time after a few days, but it leveled off after 3 weeks or so. Still I was always hornier when on than when off it.

Worked way better than cabergoline in that area for me.

I dont think Trib increases test levels, it plays with some other libido sensitive chem levels though.

 

[MorganKane]

My comments may have been a little bit out of line, for one I never tried the stuff, but I was basically speaking from my personal experience from past herbs/supplements that were suppose to increase erections, libido, etc.. I just heard a new ad the other day on the radio, something claiming to increase sensation, ejaculation, libido, and make it much harder.. I laughed to myself..

If myogenx is the next best thing, Im ok with it.. I would just like to see results on paper, tests done, proving this stuff is really raising base test levels 200% in humans! I just find it strange, this hasnt been done pryor to releasing it. Maybe it has, just the results were not what was expected..

+1
Pretty much how I feel about it.
But im a sucker so I bought a bottle
Will try it here next week I think.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Ive been very happy with a trib supplement "Tribuloid" by goliath labs.

Definitely increased my libido big time after a few days, but it leveled off after 3 weeks or so. Still I was always hornier when on than when off it.

Worked way better than cabergoline in that area for me.

I dont think Trib increases test levels, it plays with some other libido sensitive chem levels though.

It doesnt, and that has already been proven.. Ive tried em all bro, none work! That is why I am skeptical, that is all. Actually, Im not skeptical..I just dont buy it.. I dont see how companies like muscletech can spend millions on research and producing supplements, than someone come along with a supplement, with no proven human studies, probably only researched on the net for a month, and say it increases natural test levels 200%. I didnt get that from the study I read..

 

[taoiron]

It doesnt, and that has already been proven.. Ive tried em all bro, none work! That is why I am skeptical, that is all. Actually, Im not skeptical..I just dont buy it.. I dont see how companies like muscletech can spend millions on research and producing supplements, than someone come along with a supplement, with no proven human studies, probably only researched on the net for a month, and say it increases natural test levels 200%. I didnt get that from the study I read..

LOL….. I agree bro..

Like I have said before… Be very wary of the supplements that make crazy ass claims or promise unbelievable results or “steroid like results”.. Guess what???

ONLY STEROIDS GIVE STEROID LIKE RESULTS!!!!!

Taoiron

 

[Anthony Roberts]

It doesnt, and that has already been proven.. Ive tried em all bro, none work! That is why I am skeptical, that is all. Actually, Im not skeptical..I just dont buy it.. I dont see how companies like muscletech can spend millions on research and producing supplements, than someone come along with a supplement, with no proven human studies, probably only researched on the net for a month, and say it increases natural test levels 200%. I didnt get that from the study I read..

What study did you read? Did you have access to the full study, or only the abstract?

Also, being skeptical is one thing...saying "I'll never believe it works" as you have said ("I'll never change my mind") isn't being skeptical...it's being ignorant.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

What study did you read? Did you have access to the full study, or only the abstract?

Also, being skeptical is one thing...saying "I'll never believe it works" as you have said ("I'll never change my mind") isn't being skeptical...it's being ignorant.

I believe it was on winipedia or however you spell it.. What is link to full study or the abstract??

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I believe it was on winipedia or however you spell it.. What is link to full study or the abstract??

I'm sorry. I'm not following you on this. Can you post the information you have on fadogia aggrestis, and cite where it's from?

 

[drrman]

there are always going to be guys who waste their hard earned money on bullshit supplements that promise incredible results..................these companies and products bank on "first timers'..........guys who believe they can get steroid like results from bullshit products, then they realize they wasted their money and don't buy it again. I'd love to see the statistics on "repeat" buyers of these "herbs"

200% increase.....just isn't going to happen. maybe in a lab rat in a 3rd world country....right right

 

[taoiron]

there are always going to be guys who waste their hard earned money on bullshit supplements that promise incredible results..................these companies and products bank on "first timers'..........guys who believe they can get steroid like results from bullshit products, then they realize they wasted their money and don't buy it again. I'd love to see the statistics on "repeat" buyers of these "herbs"

200% increase.....just isn't going to happen. maybe in a lab rat in a 3rd world country....right right

Very well put... And 100% accurate!!

Taoiron

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Well, the response for MyoGenX has been overwhelming. Dozens of folks are reporting increase in libido, testicular size and an overall good feeling.

Those that drink Hatorade by the gallon, I hope you don't choke.




-BRR

 

[taoiron]

Well, the response for MyoGenX has been overwhelming. Dozens of folks are reporting increase in libido, testicular size and an overall good feeling.

Those that drink Hatorade by the gallon, I hope you don't choke.




-BRR

Its not hate bro…. It is just being real…

My point is one should be very skeptical of any OTC product that promises much of anything.. Remember the Myostat Blockers??? They were backed by “studies” and fell short on results.. Many people claimed / reported increased muscle and this and that while using it but look at it now… Besides the makers pocketing some serious cash it really did nothing for the BB community.

I know what it takes to increase my libido and make my nuts the size of melons (slight exaggeration) it’s nothing you can get OTC. I prefer to use products I know will work… tried and true meds that get the job done!!
In this game, I am just not willing to take a chance with something that might work!!

Much respect,

Taoiron

 

[Mr.X]

Those that drink Hatorade by the gallon, I hope you don't choke.

-BRR

LOL!

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I'm sorry but this believe that OTC stuff doesn't work is complete bullshit.
There are a million different OTC products that we use for many things. Everything from a headache to melting hairs off your legs... OTC stuff does and has worked for many people for a very long time.

If you want to make an argument against herbs, then you will fall short there too. Herbal medicine, or medication based on herbal products comprise more than 90% of what you can find at a pharmacy right now.

Its not hate bro…. It is just being real…

My point is one should be very skeptical of any OTC product that promises much of anything.. Remember the Myostat Blockers??? They were backed by “studies” and fell short on results.. Many people claimed / reported increased muscle and this and that while using it but look at it now… Besides the makers pocketing some serious cash it really did nothing for the BB community.

I know what it takes to increase my libido and make my nuts the size of melons (slight exaggeration) it’s nothing you can get OTC. I prefer to use products I know will work… tried and true meds that get the job done!!
In this game, I am just not willing to take a chance with something that might work!!

Much respect,

Taoiron

 

[taoiron]

I'm sorry but this believe that OTC stuff doesn't work is complete bullshit.
There are a million different OTC products that we use for many things. Everything from a headache to melting hairs off your legs... OTC stuff does and has worked for many people for a very long time.

If you want to make an argument against herbs, then you will fall short there too. Herbal medicine, or medication based on herbal products comprise more than 90% of what you can find at a pharmacy right now.

There is truth to that…. What I have stated is my opinion… Take it or leave it!

Taoiron

 

[Big Rick Rock]

There is truth to that…. What I have stated is my opinion… Take it or leave it!

Taoiron

Leave it...




-BRR

 

[taoiron]

Leave it...




-BRR

Fair enough!!

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Well, the response for MyoGenX has been overwhelming. Dozens of folks are reporting increase in libido, testicular size and an overall good feeling.

Those that drink Hatorade by the gallon, I hope you don't choke.




-BRR

I just got off the other forum and read something interesting by AR in regards to Myogenx. He said they are changing formula, as predicted by me, but alot quicker than I thought.. lol! Cutting back on Zinc and adding 4th ingredient.. He said the zinc is upsetting peoples stomach.. If he would have done human studies or researched zinc a little more, he would have known that..

So if myogenx has been upsetting peoples stomachs, how come we are just finding out about this now??

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I just got off the other forum and read something interesting by AR in regards to Myogenx. He said they are changing formula, as predicted by me, but alot quicker than I thought.. lol! Cutting back on Zinc and adding 4th ingredient.. He said the zinc is upsetting peoples stomach.. If he would have done human studies or researched zinc a little more, he would have known that..

So if myogenx has been upsetting peoples stomachs, how come we are just finding out about this now??

There where only 2-3 people who reported the stomach problem. Most of it came from folks taking MORE capsules than the recommended dosage.


Since most folks insist on taking 2x-3x the recommended dosage, the Zinc will be cut by half to prevent any issues for them.




-BRR

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I'm sorry but this believe that OTC stuff doesn't work is complete bullshit.
There are a million different OTC products that we use for many things. Everything from a headache to melting hairs off your legs... OTC stuff does and has worked for many people for a very long time.

If you want to make an argument against herbs, then you will fall short there too. Herbal medicine, or medication based on herbal products comprise more than 90% of what you can find at a pharmacy right now.

Well when herbal viagra starts making more of an impact than pfizers, Ill start believing.. I guess I will be hearing now how the ingredients in viagra are produced by herbs, correct?

 

[drrman]

Well when herbal viagra starts making more of an impact than pfizers, Ill start believing.. I guess I will be hearing now how the ingredients in viagra are produced by herbs, correct?

LMFAO

or when chinese tea relaxes you more than a xanax

 

[taoiron]

Well when herbal viagra starts making more of an impact than pfizers, Ill start believing.. I guess I will be hearing now how the ingredients in viagra are produced by herbs, correct?

That is some funny ass shit!!! LOL!!!

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I'm sorry. I'm not following you on this. Can you post the information you have on fadogia aggrestis, and cite where it's from?

Here is one..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed

Just click on each report and give me your opinion or feedback..

 

[Big Rick Rock]

BTW-

This thread is about this product:

http://proteinfactory.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=829


-BRR

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Here is one..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed

Just click on each report and give me your opinion or feedback..

There's nothing on that page except a blank search engine. What I'm asking you for is a copy of exactly what you've found on this herb, which lead you to draw the conclusions that you have.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

The Hatorade is flowing in this thread. Being gulped by the mouthfuls...

Fact still remains, the reviews are undeniable. No free products given out, and tons of good customer feedback...


Go lose some sleep over it. Haters.


-BRR

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

The Hatorade is flowing in this thread. Being gulped by the mouthfuls...

Fact still remains, the reviews are undeniable. No free products given out, and tons of good customer feedback...


Go lose some sleep over it. Haters.


-BRR

Since Muscletech has Jay Cutler and Matt Duval, and NOExplode has 'HHH' and Ronnie, maybe hooker will let you be spokes model for myogenx. You can have a pic of your morning wood.. Ill be looking for it, in next issue of muscle and fitness..

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Here is one..

Aphrodisiac potentials of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Schweinf. Ex Hiern) stem in male albino rats.Yakubu MT, Akanji MA, Oladiji AT.
Medicinal Plants Research Laboratory, Department of Biochemistry, University of Ilorin, PMB 1515, Ilorin, Nigeria.
AIM: To evaluate the phytochemical constituents and the aphrodisiac potential of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Rubiaceae) stem in male albino rats. METHODS: The aqueous stem extract of the plant was screened for phytochemical constituents. Male rats were orally dosed with 18 mg/kg, 50 mg/kg and 100 mg/kg body weight, respectively, of the extract at 24 h intervals and their sexual behavior parameters and serum testosterone concentration were evaluated at days 1, 3 and 5. RESULTS: Phytochemical screening revealed the presence of alkaloids and saponins while anthraquinones and flavonoids are weakly present. All the doses resulted in significant increase in mount frequency, intromission frequency and significantly prolonged the ejaculatory latency (P 0.05) and reduced mount and intromission latency (P 0.05). There was also a significant increase in serum testosterone concentrations in all the groups in a manner suggestive of dose-dependence (P 0.05). CONCLUSION: The aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem increased the blood testosterone concentrations and this may be the mechanism responsible for its aphrodisiac effects and various masculine behaviors. It may be used to modify impaired sexual functions in animals, especially those arising from hypotestosteronemia.

PMID: 16281088 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Im still searching for other study, give me another day.. Been working midnights 12hour days, so I dont have alot of free time.. Still waiting for your link to study showing increased in natural test by 200%. Just cut and paste from where the study is at, and not the one in your own words..

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Since Muscletech has Jay Cutler and Matt Duval, and NOExplode has 'HHH' and Ronnie, maybe hooker will let you be spokes model for myogenx. You can have a pic of your morning wood.. Ill be looking for it, in next issue of muscle and fitness..

I don't care the context it was said in. That was the gayest thing I will hear all day, and it's still early... lol


I think everything you said had SOME validity at the start. Yes, the public didn't know how well it would work. But now that the product is out here, and the customer reviews are coming in. All of you kicking and screaming will get drowned out by the real life results.


-BRR

 

[Big Rick Rock]

For those that don't know. The following study is about this product:

http://proteinfactory.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=829

Here is one..

Aphrodisiac potentials of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Schweinf.

This product right here:

http://proteinfactory.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=829




-BRR

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

My humor gets better, I just woke up from nap..

I wouldnt have a concern with this product, if there was some validity to backing up the combination of the 3 ingredients that are present in myogenx. I told you before, there would be new formula, and there is one coming out now.. If human studies were done, the upset stomach problem wouldnt have been an issue..

Am I suppose to believe a product is good or bad because someone posts a comment? Personally, Id have to try it out myself.. Im stuck in my mindframe, and there is no changing how I feel about it.. I told you before, its only my opinion, and I doubt my opinions are going to hurt his sales.. Arent people still buying it? Some people on here agree with me, some dont.. If I want increased libido, increased muscle tissue, increased strength, etc.. Ill just do 1g of test/week..

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

For those that don't know. The following study is about this product:

http://proteinfactory.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=829


-BRR

Who was that study written/done by? I dont want something anthony put in his own words..

 

[Big Rick Rock]

My humor gets better, I just woke up from nap..

I wouldnt have a concern with this product, if there was some validity to backing up the combination of the 3 ingredients that are present in myogenx. I told you before, there would be new formula, and there is one coming out now.. If human studies were done, the upset stomach problem wouldnt have been an issue..

Am I suppose to believe a product is good or bad because someone posts a comment? Personally, Id have to try it out myself.. Im stuck in my mindframe, and there is no changing how I feel about it.. I told you before, its only my opinion, and I doubt my opinions are going to hurt his sales.. Arent people still buying it? Some people on here agree with me, some dont.. If I want increased libido, increased muscle tissue, increased strength, etc.. Ill just do 1g of test/week..

I hear what you are saying bro. If you don't have faith in it, then don't try it.

I was almost tempted to buy you a bottle out of my own pocket to test it (I can have you return it within 30-days for a refund if you didn't like it anyway) But I think that after putting this much effort into bashing something you know nothing about. You just wouldn't have the manstarch to take back your words, even if it was the best thing you ever tried.

Keep bumping the thread though, its only 33 views short of 3,000.





-BRR

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I hear what you are saying bro. If you don't have faith in it, then don't try it.

I was almost tempted to buy you a bottle out of my own pocket to test it (I can have you return it within 30-days for a refund if you didn't like it anyway) But I think that after putting this much effort into bashing something you know nothing about. You just wouldn't have the manstarch to take back your words, even if it was the best thing you ever tried.

Keep bumping the thread though, its only 33 views short of 3,000.


-BRR

Buy me a bottle? How nice.. I appreciate the offer, but I would have to decline.. Yes, I admit Im not familiar at all with fadogia, but I am with all the others that claim the same things that myogenx does..

If I did try it, I would be 100% honest, and if I was wrong, wether you believe me or not, I would be the first to admit I was wrong. Id take it like a man, and keep my mouth shut from now on.. Well, maybe for a week anyways..

2/3 of views were done by me, you and AR..

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Buy me a bottle? How nice.. I appreciate the offer, but I would have to decline.. Yes, I admit Im not familiar at all with fadogia, but I am with all the others that claim the same things that myogenx does..

If I did try it, I would be 100% honest, and if I was wrong, wether you believe me or not, I would be the first to admit I was wrong. Id take it like a man, and keep my mouth shut from now on.. Well, maybe for a week anyways..

2/3 of views were done by me, you and AR..

Views are unique. You can reload the page as many times as you want. The number of views stays the same if you are loged in under the same account. If it was just me and AR being counted, then this thread would have 10k views. 20k if it counted yours. LOL.

No problem bro, just hang tight. Nothing ineffective can last long on the forums. People will always report back. Just give it some time for the reviews to fall in.



-BRR

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

lol..

 

[esanchez1277]

subscribed

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

lets keep this thread bumped!

I have another question, how come most of the users that are reporting feedback, only post results for 1 week? (just an observation)

 

[Big Rick Rock]

lets keep this thread bumped!

I have another question, how come most of the users that are reporting feedback, only post results for 1 week? (just an observation)

hmmm... You sure you read all of the feedback?
There are guys reporting on their second and third bottle already.

You are right though, the product is new and some people are just gettign their hands on it in the last week or so... Some of the guys that bought it at the start are reordering. Thats always a good sign.

PM me if you need links.

Here is a link to the product:
http://proteinfactory.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=829


-BRR

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I dont read them all the way through, more or less just skimming and reading fast.. Still waiting for AR to give me scientific link to study..Not the one he made into his own words! Thanks..

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I dont read them all the way through, more or less just skimming and reading fast.. Still waiting for AR to give me scientific link to study..Not the one he made into his own words! Thanks..

Don't hold your breath. Its Saturday night. Some of us have better stuff to do than argue about supplements.

If you had been taking MyoGenX, you'd be too busy looking for Pootytang to be "waiting for AR to give me scientific link" lol...




-BRR

 

[gjohnson5]

I would agree that a common side effect of zinc intake is upset stomach....

I just got off the other forum and read something interesting by AR in regards to Myogenx. He said they are changing formula, as predicted by me, but alot quicker than I thought.. lol! Cutting back on Zinc and adding 4th ingredient.. He said the zinc is upsetting peoples stomach.. If he would have done human studies or researched zinc a little more, he would have known that..

So if myogenx has been upsetting peoples stomachs, how come we are just finding out about this now??

 

[gjohnson5]

You real URL is not displayed in the pubmed search

1: Asian J Androl. 2005 Dec;7(4):399-404. Links
Aphrodisiac potentials of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Schweinf. Ex Hiern) stem in male albino rats.Yakubu MT, Akanji MA, Oladiji AT.
Medicinal Plants Research Laboratory, Department of Biochemistry, University of Ilorin, PMB 1515, Ilorin, Nigeria. .....................

AIM: To evaluate the phytochemical constituents and the aphrodisiac potential of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Rubiaceae) stem in male albino rats. METHODS: The aqueous stem extract of the plant was screened for phytochemical constituents. Male rats were orally dosed with 18 mg/kg, 50 mg/kg and 100 mg/kg body weight, respectively, of the extract at 24 h intervals and their sexual behavior parameters and serum testosterone concentration were evaluated at days 1, 3 and 5. RESULTS: Phytochemical screening revealed the presence of alkaloids and saponins while anthraquinones and flavonoids are weakly present. All the doses resulted in significant increase in mount frequency, intromission frequency and significantly prolonged the ejaculatory latency (P 0.05) and reduced mount and intromission latency (P 0.05). There was also a significant increase in serum testosterone concentrations in all the groups in a manner suggestive of dose-dependence (P 0.05). CONCLUSION: The aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem increased the blood testosterone concentrations and this may be the mechanism responsible for its aphrodisiac effects and various masculine behaviors. It may be used to modify impaired sexual functions in animals, especially those arising from hypotestosteronemia.

PMID: 16281088 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Here is one..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed

Just click on each report and give me your opinion or feedback..

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Don't hold your breath. Its Saturday night. Some of us have better stuff to do than argue about supplements.

If you had been taking MyoGenX, you'd be too busy looking for Pootytang to be "waiting for AR to give me scientific link" lol...




-BRR

Argue? I thought we were having a nice discussion.. Anyways, I can wait till tomorrow for report from AR where it says test levels were raised by 200%, or whatever study he has. No need for me to take myogenx, im horny without the stuff, and have morning wood every morning. I think it must be my animal paks/creatine/metrx/musclemilk combo..

Dont forget your laptop tonite when you go out, I would hate for you to miss any of my comments.. You can hookup with wireless at starbucks!

 

[gjohnson5]

Hey Italian , you gonna cut AR and BRR some slack???

Are you 27 as your user handle implies?

I just turned 34 and I may have to get blood work done just to see why my adjustment may be with this product

It is worth a try

Argue? I thought we were having a nice discussion.. Anyways, I can wait till tomorrow for report from AR where it says test levels were raised by 200%, or whatever study he has. No need for me to take myogenx, im horny without the stuff, and have morning wood every morning. I think it must be my animal paks/creatine/metrx/musclemilk combo..

Dont forget your laptop tonite when you go out, I would hate for you to miss any of my comments.. You can hookup with wireless at starbucks!

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Hey Italian , you gonna cut AR and BRR some slack???

Are you 27 as your user handle implies?

I just turned 34 and I may have to get blood work done just to see why my adjustment may be with this product

It is worth a try

Im actually 35, I do look like im 27.. Us italians age nicely!

So you have been taking myogenx? You should have gotten bloodwork done before taking it, and during.. Only way to know if it is actually raising test levels.. What adjustments are you talking about? Very curious..

 

[gjohnson5]

No , haven't bought any yet

Im actually 35, I do look like im 27.. Us italians age nicely!

So you have been taking myogenx? You should have gotten bloodwork done before taking it, and during.. Only way to know if it is actually raising test levels.. What adjustments are you talking about? Very curious..

 

[MorganKane]

Picked up a bottle.
Only been 2 days and the only thing I feel is an uneasy stomach.

My bottle had only 73 caps not 90.

We will see how this works.
I m still waiting for the "like being on Prop" feeling as someone mentioned.

 

[OMEGA]

bump

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Picked up a bottle.
Only been 2 days and the only thing I feel is an uneasy stomach.

My bottle had only 73 caps not 90.

We will see how this works.
I m still waiting for the "like being on Prop" feeling as someone mentioned.

You counted the caps? Good man, always good to be certain.

The stuff comes with a 30-day 100% money-back guarantee. You can't go wrong. No source would ever give you that.



-BRR

 

[MorganKane]

You counted the caps? Good man, always good to be certain.

The stuff comes with a 30-day 100% money-back guarantee. You can't go wrong. No source would ever give you that.



-BRR

I counted caps after I thought that it had to be less and I was right.
Wouldnt you?

I did contact the protein factory directly and requested them to send the difference.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I love this thread..Please keep us updated MorganKane!

How come I havent received my scientific study yet? Still waiting for the link Mr.Roberts.. BRR cant use the excuse its saturday night and everyone is out at the bars chasing pootytang around..

 

[Anthony Roberts]

You real URL is not displayed in the pubmed search

1: Asian J Androl. 2005 Dec;7(4):399-404. Links
Aphrodisiac potentials of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Schweinf. Ex Hiern) stem in male albino rats.Yakubu MT, Akanji MA, Oladiji AT.
Medicinal Plants Research Laboratory, Department of Biochemistry, University of Ilorin, PMB 1515, Ilorin, Nigeria. .....................

AIM: To evaluate the phytochemical constituents and the aphrodisiac potential of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Rubiaceae) stem in male albino rats. METHODS: The aqueous stem extract of the plant was screened for phytochemical constituents. Male rats were orally dosed with 18 mg/kg, 50 mg/kg and 100 mg/kg body weight, respectively, of the extract at 24 h intervals and their sexual behavior parameters and serum testosterone concentration were evaluated at days 1, 3 and 5. RESULTS: Phytochemical screening revealed the presence of alkaloids and saponins while anthraquinones and flavonoids are weakly present. All the doses resulted in significant increase in mount frequency, intromission frequency and significantly prolonged the ejaculatory latency (P 0.05) and reduced mount and intromission latency (P 0.05). There was also a significant increase in serum testosterone concentrations in all the groups in a manner suggestive of dose-dependence (P 0.05). CONCLUSION: The aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem increased the blood testosterone concentrations and this may be the mechanism responsible for its aphrodisiac effects and various masculine behaviors. It may be used to modify impaired sexual functions in animals, especially those arising from hypotestosteronemia.

PMID: 16281088 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

That's the study. Unfortunately, ItalianMuscle was drawing conclusions from the abstract alone, and clearly never read the entire study.

You need the full version to see the test increase. If you want to see it, check out Steroid.com where I posted the full PDF of that study. Alternately, you can check out www.superhumanradio.com where the author of that study was interviewed talking about the herb, and where the full PDF was also posted and available for download.

ItalianMuscle: You should really read the full study before you draw conclusions, or make claims.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I love this thread..Please keep us updated MorganKane!

How come I havent received my scientific study yet? Still waiting for the link Mr.Roberts.. BRR cant use the excuse its saturday night and everyone is out at the bars chasing pootytang around..

Still haven't received it? You already had it! Unfortunately, you only read the abstract and not the full study. Kind of shoddy research for you to base anything on, I think.

Here's the full study:

http://www.superhumanradio.com/research/Asian J Androl 2005 Fadogia agrestis.pdf

In the future, you should read the entire study instead of just the abstract. This way you can avoid looking foolish...

Wait. Too late...

 

[justinjones1963]

Weekly Update:
Saturday, December 15 (Day 15), through Saturday, December 16 (Day 22)

This is my final update. My date for hernia surgery got pushed up due to the holidays and I head in for surgery tomorrow and decided to stop all supplements I am taking last Saturday.

In all, I did notice my balls were larger, I have had morning wood every day over the past week (including the past two days after discontinuance) and I have noticed an increase in libido. The libido increase was not through the roof, i.e. definitely not the same as say being on cycle. I believ my libido did increase slightly more after I upped the dose to 4 caps per day. Perhaps that is a better amount for me. I am 6'2" @ 210 lbs.

I did notice that when having sex a few weeks ago there were two instances where I had a slight problem coming to orgasm. I did come to orgasm but it took a while. I didn’t encounter any problems the past two weeks.

As I stated in my previous posts, unlike a few other posts I have read, I didn’t notice any significant change in my body composition despite not working out. Also, I read a post on proteinfatory.com and one user stated they felt like they were on prop @ 600mg a week. I definitely didn’t feel that way, nor did my libido. Also, the review stated they were also using provrion so that could have been a significant factor with the other review.

In sum, I would use this product again during PCT.

Once my recovery from the hernia surgery is over I plan to run MyoGenX at 4 tabs per day for 30 days right when I stat hitting the gym again. I do not plan another AAS cycle until summer or fall so I will give this product another try in February. I most likely will use it for PCT in the future in addition to the normal HCG/Nolva etc.

The only downside I see thus far is the cost. I do not like paying $44.95 but then again this is a new product. Hopefully over time the price will drop.

End of Log

 

[Big Rick Rock]

This is a fair and honest review bro. All anybody can ask for.

Thanx bro.

Weekly Update:
Saturday, December 15 (Day 15), through Saturday, December 16 (Day 22)

This is my final update. My date for hernia surgery got pushed up due to the holidays and I head in for surgery tomorrow and decided to stop all supplements I am taking last Saturday.

In all, I did notice my balls were larger, I have had morning wood every day over the past week (including the past two days after discontinuance) and I have noticed an increase in libido. The libido increase was not through the roof, i.e. definitely not the same as say being on cycle. I believ my libido did increase slightly more after I upped the dose to 4 caps per day. Perhaps that is a better amount for me. I am 6'2" @ 210 lbs.

I did notice that when having sex a few weeks ago there were two instances where I had a slight problem coming to orgasm. I did come to orgasm but it took a while. I didn’t encounter any problems the past two weeks.

As I stated in my previous posts, unlike a few other posts I have read, I didn’t notice any significant change in my body composition despite not working out. Also, I read a post on proteinfatory.com and one user stated they felt like they were on prop @ 600mg a week. I definitely didn’t feel that way, nor did my libido. Also, the review stated they were also using provrion so that could have been a significant factor with the other review.

In sum, I would use this product again during PCT.

Once my recovery from the hernia surgery is over I plan to run MyoGenX at 4 tabs per day for 30 days right when I stat hitting the gym again. I do not plan another AAS cycle until summer or fall so I will give this product another try in February. I most likely will use it for PCT in the future in addition to the normal HCG/Nolva etc.

The only downside I see thus far is the cost. I do not like paying $44.95 but then again this is a new product. Hopefully over time the price will drop.

End of Log

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

ItalianMuscle: You should really read the full study before you draw conclusions, or make claims.

I will read it shortly.. Maybe you should have researched your formula for longer than 1 month on the internet, and have some humanstudies to back up claims.. Bloodwork would prove your theories without a doubt.. I still havent seen anything like that, just opinions from ghosts on the internet.. On the contrary your the one who is looking foolish, you are already changing forumula, as predicted by me.. If you would have researched more you would have known zinc in high doses would upset peoples stomachs.. Maybe I should send sample to SRCS for testing, if thats ok with you?

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Still haven't received it? You already had it! Unfortunately, you only read the abstract and not the full study. Kind of shoddy research for you to base anything on, I think.

Here's the full study:

http://www.superhumanradio.com/research/Asian J Androl 2005 Fadogia agrestis.pdf

In the future, you should read the entire study instead of just the abstract. This way you can avoid looking foolish...

Wait. Too late...

Unless I missed it.. Copy & Paste where it says fadogia increases base test levels by 200%?

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Unless I missed it.. Copy & Paste where it says fadogia increases base test levels by 200%?

Here's what the study says. I'm sure you missed it, since it's a whole 6-pages of reading...it increases test over control levels, not base levels (although, admittedly, that's not the best way to measure things):

"The administration of various doses of the plant extract resulted in a significant increase in serum testosterone concentration throughout the period of administration (P < 0.05). The various doses (18 mg/kg, 50 mg/kg and 100 mg/kg body weight) produced two-, three- and six fold increases compared with the control by the end of the experimental period."

These results have been experienced (anecdotally) by multiple members of multiple boards, none of whom got anything for free from myself or Protein Factory. I'm not too concerned with the fact that they used a control group instead of baseline levels in the study....I was assured by the scientist that as a whole, the group receiving the Fadogia had nearly identical testosterone levels to the control group, within the statistically accepted normal range for the species.

On the contrary your the one who is looking foolish, you are already changing forumula, as predicted by me..

Also, I'm thinking about changing the formula to make it better (an ingredient to lower SHBG and less zinc to avoid upsetting stomachs) ...it doesn't take a fucking genius to realize that people change things to make them better.

Did you also predict that BMW will come out with new cars next year? Which they claim to be improved versions of their cars from this year? Wow...what a fucking prediction. Brilliant...Notsra-fucking-damus at work...stand back....

 

[DBBT]

Picked up a bottle.
Only been 2 days and the only thing I feel is an uneasy stomach.

My bottle had only 73 caps not 90.

We will see how this works.
I m still waiting for the "like being on Prop" feeling as someone mentioned.

how can they almost miscount 20 caps, who's in charge of quality control lol.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I will read it shortly.. Maybe you should have researched your formula for longer than 1 month on the internet, and have some humanstudies to back up claims.. Bloodwork would prove your theories without a doubt.. I still havent seen anything like that, just opinions from ghosts on the internet.. On the contrary your the one who is looking foolish, you are already changing forumula, as predicted by me.. If you would have researched more you would have known zinc in high doses would upset peoples stomachs.. Maybe I should send sample to SRCS for testing, if thats ok with you?

I was the first person to say it was the Zinc causing the upset stomach. Clearly, I already had done the research to know that, right?

Oh...I forgot...I'm supposed to be taking advice from anonymous people on the internet who have never developed an original nutritional supplement. What was I thinking...please...continue to give me your well-thought-out advice...

-And-

Send whatever you want to SRCS. Why would I care? I'm sure that Protein Factory is accurately dosing their products as required by the FDA. I'm not really sure what you are threatening(?) here...

Oh no...please...don't buy and then send my products to be tested at your own expense...anything but that...please have mercy...

Is that the reply you were expecting?

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Are you guys talking about this product?


http://proteinfactory.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=829




-BRR

 

[justinjones1963]

Are you guys talking about this product?


http://proteinfactory.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=829




-BRR

Yes

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Here's what the study says. I'm sure you missed it, since it's a whole 6-pages of reading...it increases test over control levels, not base levels (although, admittedly, that's not the best way to measure things):

Sorry if I seem ignorant, but you would want it to increase base test levels wouldnt you? Why is this not the best way to measure things? What does it mean it increases test over control levels? Ive never ever heard something being measured that way..

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I was the first person to say it was the Zinc causing the upset stomach. Clearly, I already had done the research to know that, right?

Oh...I forgot...I'm supposed to be taking advice from anonymous people on the internet who have never developed an original nutritional supplement. What was I thinking...please...continue to give me your well-thought-out advice...

-And-

Send whatever you want to SRCS. Why would I care? I'm sure that Protein Factory is accurately dosing their products as required by the FDA. I'm not really sure what you are threatening(?) here...

Oh no...please...don't buy and then send my products to be tested at your own expense...anything but that...please have mercy...

Is that the reply you were expecting?

For someone who open admits he doesnt waste his time/breath on someone who bashes him or his products, you are spending an awful lot of time on me, how come??

I was being sarcastic about sending sample in.. but with your permsission, I would. My treat..

Correct me if im wrong, herbs in their purest forms like ephedra for example, are not approved by the FDA for a reason.. Most herbs to my understanding have to be mixed with other things(for example like your product, you added zinc/vitamin e).. Can fadogia be taken pure? Does the FDA approve this on the shelves just by itself?? Whats stopping a person like myself, from flying to Nigeria, buying fadogia by the ton, and coming back to USA to bottle for human consumption??

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Sorry if I seem ignorant, but you would want it to increase base test levels wouldnt you? Why is this not the best way to measure things? What does it mean it increases test over control levels? Ive never ever heard something being measured that way..

Apparently, the scientists who run the peer-reviewed medical journal where the study was published think that it's a valid way to measure things. You should take it up with them, and the hundreds (if not thousands) of scientists who feel that the study I based my product on is valid.

This is the part where I'll continue to pretend that your criticisms of the product come from you, and not someone else on this site who has repeatedly attacked me....and you continue to pretend to be coming up with them yourself.

Correct me if im wrong, herbs in their purest forms like ephedra for example, are not approved by the FDA for a reason.. Most herbs to my understanding have to be mixed with other things(for example like your product, you added zinc/vitamin e).. Can fadogia be taken pure? Does the FDA approve this on the shelves just by itself?? Whats stopping a person like myself, from flying to Nigeria, buying fadogia by the ton, and coming back to USA to bottle for human consumption??

You should contact the FDA and ask them about pure forms of herbs if that's a concern of yours. I'm not familiar with legal issues like that, and since I brought the product to a company who produces supplements, I can only say that I'm sure the're operating within the confines of the law, and that they have assured me that the Fadogia they put in the product is in the purest form currently available. I believe there may be laws on standardizing herbs, but I don't know what you're asking, exactly, or why it relates in the slightest here.

What's stopping someone from flying to Nigeria, etc, etc, etc...I have no idea...I don't care, either...it doesn't directly (or indirectly) relate to the efficacy of my product.

 

[deepdish]

I have a couple of questions about the study.

1. The study is a little vague on whether the researchers used 18mg/kg of the actual stem or of the filtrate they derived from the stem. If the 18mg/kg number comes from the filtrate the dosage will be significantly different from consuming the stem by itself.

2. This may be picky, but isn't a two fold increase in test levels a 100 not a 200 percent increase. If my baseline levels are 2 ng/ml and increase to 3 ng/ml that is a 50% increase. 2 to 4 would be a 100% increase, and 2 to 6 would be a 200% increase

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I have a couple of questions about the study.

1. The study is a little vague on whether the researchers used 18mg/kg of the actual stem or of the filtrate they derived from the stem. If the 18mg/kg number comes from the filtrate the dosage will be significantly different from consuming the stem by itself.

2. This may be picky, but isn't a two fold increase in test levels a 100 not a 200 percent increase. If my baseline levels are 2 ng/ml and increase to 3 ng/ml that is a 50% increase. 2 to 4 would be a 100% increase, and 2 to 6 would be a 200% increase

Interesting first post....I'll look into your concerns and ask for amendments in ad-copy and such if it's deemed to be warranted.

 

[justinjones1963]

I have a couple of questions about the study.

2. This may be picky, but isn't a two fold increase in test levels a 100 not a 200 percent increase. If my baseline levels are 2 ng/ml and increase to 3 ng/ml that is a 50% increase. 2 to 4 would be a 100% increase, and 2 to 6 would be a 200% increase

That is not being picky - it is being accurate and you are correct. Excellent observation - K to you.

Take simple numbers:

100 * 50% = 100 * .50 = 50 and then add that to the original 100

100 * 100% = 100 * 1.0 = 100 and then add that to the original 100 for 200%

And yes, 2 increased to 4 is a 100% increase, 2 increased to 6 is a 200% increase.

 

[kevikev]

does this stuff work as good as the "gear" at the Roid Store?

 

[gjohnson5]

One thing I would be interested in is this product stacked with an AI such as Letro or aromasin.

That is not being picky - it is being accurate and you are correct. Excellent observation - K to you.

Take simple numbers:

100 * 50% = 100 * .50 = 50 and then add that to the original 100

100 * 100% = 100 * 1.0 = 100 and then add that to the original 100 for 200%

And yes, 2 increased to 4 is a 100% increase, 2 increased to 6 is a 200% increase.

 

[gjohnson5]

Or better yet this product stated with dutasteride

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Apparently, the scientists who run the peer-reviewed medical journal where the study was published think that it's a valid way to measure things. You should take it up with them, and the hundreds (if not thousands) of scientists who feel that the study I based my product on is valid.

This is the part where I'll continue to pretend that your criticisms of the product come from you, and not someone else on this site who has repeatedly attacked me....and you continue to pretend to be coming up with them yourself.

Arent you the one who was criticising and bashing AIFM on your blog? No offense, but how can you bash a product that has been taken by thousands of members on here, and they all claim it works? Im entitled to my opinion as you are.. I dont see you running your mouth on here about AIFM..

 

[drrman]

Arent you the one who was criticising and bashing AIFM on your blog? No offense, but how can you bash a product that has been taken by thousands of members on here, and they all claim it works? Im entitled to my opinion as you are.. I dont see you running your mouth on here about AIFM..

because he can't speak his mind just as we were asked not to speak our minds italian

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Arent you the one who was criticising and bashing AIFM on your blog? Im entitled to my opinion as you are.. I dont see you running your mouth on here about AIFM..

I don't speak poorly about any other sponsors products here on EF. Frankly, it's not wanted by the administration nor site owner, and I feel that it's unprofessional to criticise other sposors of this site while I'm here.

Outside of this site, it's fair game.

On this site, when a sponsor attacks another one, it reflects poorly on the person doing it, and shows a lack of respect for the rules and the people who run the site.

When I was a member, and not on staff here, it was a different story. I openly criticized AIFM, and had my posts edited, deleted, and eventually I was banned for doing it. Now, I reserve criticism of that type to anywhere but here, not because my posts will be altered or I'll be banned, but because it's inappropriate to do here.

 

[taoiron]

I don't speak poorly about any other sponsors products here on EF. Frankly, it's not wanted by the administration nor site owner, and I feel that it's unprofessional to criticise other sposors of this site while I'm here.

Outside of this site, it's fair game.

On this site, when a sponsor attacks another one, it reflects poorly on the person doing it, and shows a lack of respect for the rules and the people who run the site.

That’s what I dislike!!!!!! One should be able to express their opinion about anything this board is after all a resource used by many! When someone gets shut down for expressing an opinion that is just wrong!! Along the same lines, one should take the posts as opinion unless backed by sound scientific research.

Now… a shameless attack is something different…

The sponsors get to hide behind their advertising dollars!! If you mention other research companies or express a dislike for a product you can bet it will get noticed and either removed or you will get a PM from a mod!

My 2ml,

Tao

 

[Anthony Roberts]

That’s what I dislike!!!!!! One should be able to express their opinion about anything this board is after all a resource used by many! When someone gets shut down for expressing an opinion that is just wrong!! Along the same lines, one should take the posts as opinion unless backed by sound scientific research.

Now… a shameless attack is something different…

The sponsors get to hide behind their advertising dollars!! If you mention other research companies or express a dislike for a product you can bet it will get noticed and either removed or you will get a PM from a mod!

My 2ml,

Tao

Yes. One should be able to express one's opinion.

However, metioning other (competing) companies shouldn't be allowed. If a company doesn't pay for advertising here, they ought not be able to get free advertising here, when it competes with someone who pays for advertising here. Discussing products (i.e. letrozole, which is sold by every research chem company) is allowed, but "asking" about www.brandx.com letrozole, and telling people that it's sooooo good and sooooo cheap is just free advertising and not fair to someone who pays to advertise here.

When I was only a member here, I expressed my opinions about sponsors and their products openly. I had my posts deleted, edited, and eventually I was banned for doing it. I didn't think that was too fair, and I think you guys should be able to criticize sponsors or state your mind, regardless of your opinion. I don't think you guys should be able to pimp other companies, however...I never did that, and I don't think it's appropriate.

Fast-Forward a year, from when I first came here:

I'm no longer a member here. I'm a Chairman. I have written several articles for the site, and contiue to do so. I've written an e-book for the site, offer a consultation service through the site, and work with more than one sponsor of the site in various capacities. I've signed an NDA with this company, and work very closely with/for Elitefitess in several capacities.

In my case, I don't feel that it's appropriate for me to come here, and on this site, attack or criticize sponsors. I don't feel that it's appropriate for anybody affiliated/associated with this compay to attack someone else who is also here, using this message board as the direct medium to conduct that attack. It's unprofessional. It makes the person doing the attacking look terrible, and I don't participate in that kind of thing. If I were a member, and not on staff, then it would be different.

 

[taoiron]

Yes. One should be able to express one's opinion.

However, metioning other (competing) companies shouldn't be allowed. If a company doesn't pay for advertising here, they ought not be able to get free advertising here, when it competes with someone who pays for advertising here. Discussing products (i.e. letrozole, which is sold by every research chem company) is allowed, but "asking" about www.brandx.com letrozole, and telling people that it's sooooo good and sooooo cheap is just free advertising and not fair to someone who pays to advertise here.

When I was only a member here, I expressed my opinions about sponsors and their products openly. I had my posts deleted, edited, and eventually I was banned for doing it. I didn't think that was too fair, and I think you guys should be able to criticize sponsors or state your mind, regardless of your opinion. I don't think you guys should be able to pimp other companies, however...I never did that, and I don't think it's appropriate.

Fast-Forward a year, from when I first came here:

I'm no longer a member here. I'm a Chairman. I have written several articles for the site, and contiue to do so. I've written an e-book for the site, offer a consultation service through the site, and work with more than one sponsor of the site in various capacities. I've signed an NDA with this company, and work very closely with/for Elitefitess in several capacities.

In my case, I don't feel that it's appropriate for me to come here, and on this site, attack or criticize sponsors. I don't feel that it's appropriate for anybody affiliated/associated with this compay to attack someone else who is also here, using this message board as the direct medium to conduct that attack. It's unprofessional. It makes the person doing the attacking look terrible, and I don't participate in that kind of thing. If I were a member, and not on staff, then it would be different.

I do see your point and agree with you for the most part. I guess the thing that gets me in regards to not being able to mention other research companies for example… It gives the newbies who may only visit this site the elusion that there is only one company who can service their needs… Now.. Shame on them for not doing more research but shame on us for not being able to educate them more and offer options they may not be aware of..

If I mention company XX am I pimping it.. Some might say that.. I feel however, if I have no affiliation with company XX and am merely stating my experience then that is not a pimp!!

That all being said, I do enjoy this board and understand the sponsors is what keeps it alive… I have in the past purchased from AG and still get sups from The EF store.. A double-edged sword it is!!

Respect,

Taoiron

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I do see your point and agree with you for the most part. I guess the thing that gets me in regards to not being able to mention other research companies for example… It gives the newbies who may only visit this site the elusion that there is only one company who can service their needs… Now.. Shame on them for not doing more research but shame on us for not being able to educate them more and offer options they may not be aware of..

Respect,

Taoiron

If you were sitting in a Burger King, you wouldn't be free to tell customers to go to McDonalds. Shame on the people at Burger King for not knowing how yummy McDonalds Apple pies are....

This site is a buisess, and as a result it needs to protect it's income, just like Burger King. It lowers the value of this site's advertising worth, if other companies who do not pay can derive free advertising from it. Income keeps this site up and running.

In the end, you might feel that it's appropriate to endorse McDonalds while you are sitting at Burger King, but I'm reasonably sure that there is no company in existence who would let you do something (anything) like that.

It's a good rule, I think...it lets people discuss the products, safe use of them, and share personal experieces, but does not give free advertising to those who do not pay for it.

 

[drrman]

I don't speak poorly about any other sponsors products here on EF. Frankly, it's not wanted by the administration nor site owner, and I feel that it's unprofessional to criticise other sposors of this site while I'm here.

Outside of this site, it's fair game.

On this site, when a sponsor attacks another one, it reflects poorly on the person doing it, and shows a lack of respect for the rules and the people who run the site.

When I was a member, and not on staff here, it was a different story. I openly criticized AIFM, and had my posts edited, deleted, and eventually I was banned for doing it. Now, I reserve criticism of that type to anywhere but here, not because my posts will be altered or I'll be banned, but because it's inappropriate to do here.

oh and believe me Anthony, this is the ONLY place you can be who you are without criticism, you should visit some "non censored" boards and read some of the things wrote about you and this myogenx thread.......

I will not bash you or your products on this board as i have been firmly warned by admin, and i will abide by their rules, but as you said, on other boards its "fair game" and that it most definitely is!

 

[Big Rick Rock]

you should visit some "non censored" boards and

I wish you would stay @ one of those forums




-BRR

 

[drrman]

I wish you would stay @ one of those forums




-BRR

BRR, you know you love me bro!

 

[Anthony Roberts]

oh and believe me Anthony, this is the ONLY place you can be who you are without criticism, you should visit some "non censored" boards and read some of the things wrote about you and this myogenx thread.......

I will not bash you or your products on this board as i have been firmly warned by admin, and i will abide by their rules, but as you said, on other boards its "fair game" and that it most definitely is!

I don't really waste my time with the small fish in this particular pond. Here, Mesorx, Steroid.com, etc...are the only places I really visit. I.E. the large boards, which have influence and mainstream credibility...sorry.

 

[deepdish]

This comparison doesn't make sense, the business models are not even remotely the same. Take the auto industry for example. There are numerous companies that develop and sell cars, and there are also numerous periodicals and internet sites that review car performance. Most of these periodicals also contain advertisements from the car manufactures. Are you seriously suggesting that the car reviews or any product reviews/experiances should be based on advertising dollars. If a reviewer writes that the new Ford Focus is a horribly designed car, when Ford is actively advertising in that magazine, do you believe the review should be stifled? Would you put any faith in reviews that practiced this sort of censorship?

If you were sitting in a Burger King, you wouldn't be free to tell customers to go to McDonalds. Shame on the people at Burger King for not knowing how yummy McDonalds Apple pies are....

This site is a buisess, and as a result it needs to protect it's income, just like Burger King. It lowers the value of this site's advertising worth, if other companies who do not pay can derive free advertising from it. Income keeps this site up and running.

In the end, you might feel that it's appropriate to endorse McDonalds while you are sitting at Burger King, but I'm reasonably sure that there is no company in existence who would let you do something (anything) like that.

It's a good rule, I think...it lets people discuss the products, safe use of them, and share personal experieces, but does not give free advertising to those who do not pay for it.

 

[drrman]

I don't really waste my time with the small fish in this particular pond. Here, Mesorx, Steroid.com, etc...are the only places I really visit. I.E. the large boards, which have influence and mainstream credibility...sorry.

yeh, i don't blame you for that, might as well stick to the places with the most new members flowing in daily which means the most uneducated "green" bros to hit with the advertising which means more sales.

Anthony, i wish you the best with your myogenx.....BUT, me and you both know what I'm getting at and we both have been around long enough to know what I won't and can't say

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I don't speak poorly about any other sponsors products here on EF. Frankly, it's not wanted by the administration nor site owner, and I feel that it's unprofessional to criticise other sposors of this site while I'm here.

Outside of this site, it's fair game.

On this site, when a sponsor attacks another one, it reflects poorly on the person doing it, and shows a lack of respect for the rules and the people who run the site.

When I was a member, and not on staff here, it was a different story. I openly criticized AIFM, and had my posts edited, deleted, and eventually I was banned for doing it. Now, I reserve criticism of that type to anywhere but here, not because my posts will be altered or I'll be banned, but because it's inappropriate to do here.

You openly criticized AIFM without even trying it, correct? The same way I was cricitizing your Myogenx.. You might be a little pissed at me, because you advertise it here.. maybe it has hurt sales, maybe not.. Last time I checked I havent seen Mcdonalds bashing their rival Burgerking, in ads.. Its bad business ethics.. Just as I dont agree with how you handle things..

If you say outside this board its fair game.. So be it! I cant wait now..

You say you dont waste your time on smaller boards yet, ive seen you join 1 or 2 in the past few weeks, stating your case for the BD/Gen**L/A**N fiasco.. Youll bash some of the biggest, honest names in the game, and than kiss the ass of a known scammer! drrman is 100% correct, you should see what they say about you, myogenx on smaller boards.. Im actually being kinda nice here.. But just my observation, you do come across hypocritical!!

 

[DBBT]

lol @ his avi ^^^^^^

 

[OMEGA]

I don't speak poorly about any other sponsors products here on EF. Frankly, it's not wanted by the administration nor site owner, and I feel that it's unprofessional.

I am only commeneting on THIS comment and then added one other.

But this solitary advent has been the one of the most fruitfull endevours in a long time.

I feel really good about it, especially on a JUSTICE level.

The future in BRIGHT ineed.

Anthony

dont let any mistakes ever get to you if you ever make them

My first version of Amplify02 was almost too strong for alot of people.
even I think its too strong lol

then on my new I cut back and some clearly have stated it needs a bit more kick.......
it reaches Joe Amercia but not those like stims alot

I think customers especially "Elite" are very forgiving if they think your a honest and hardworking person.

again I am only speaking about my own mistakes.........
and am trying to say dont ever worry about things like that

take care

-OMEGA

 

[Anthony Roberts]

You openly criticized AIFM without even trying it, correct? The same way I was cricitizing your Myogenx.. You might be a little pissed at me, because you advertise it here.. maybe it has hurt sales, maybe not.. Last time I checked I havent seen Mcdonalds bashing their rival Burgerking, in ads.. Its bad business ethics.. Just as I dont agree with how you handle things..

If you say outside this board its fair game.. So be it! I cant wait now..

You say you dont waste your time on smaller boards yet, ive seen you join 1 or 2 in the past few weeks, stating your case for the BD/Gen**L/A**N fiasco.. Youll bash some of the biggest, honest names in the game, and than kiss the ass of a known scammer! drrman is 100% correct, you should see what they say about you, myogenx on smaller boards.. Im actually being kinda nice here.. But just my observation, you do come across hypocritical!!

I doubt your criticism of MyoGenX is hurting sales...just like I doubt that what's said on smaller boards hurts...any endeavor that I undertake, when weighed against the fact that the three biggest boards in terms of Google ratings and search engine rankings for steroid discussion are three that I work for and with. The other boards, frankly, can kiss my ass.

 

[OMEGA]

Hey Anthony can you pm me ?

 

[KD1]

Anyone got anything new thats relevant to the title of this thread - i.e. the results?

The pissing contest has ruined what could have been a good log on this product.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Hey Anthony can you pm me ?

My PMs are off (I used to get way too many...and I think it's unfair to leave people hanging). Drop me an e-mail:

[email protected]

And I'll shoot you my phone number or something and we can talk...

 

[OMEGA]

THANKS Brother

will do as of now

 

[DBBT]

italiansausagefest187 is on timeout lol or pwn3d

 

[Big Rick Rock]

italiansausagefest187 is on timeout lol or pwn3d

Banned in the E.F.




-BRR

 

[taoiron]

Banned in the E.F.




-BRR

BRR….

I assume you are referring to my Bro ItalianMuscle27…. You banned the Nugga?? Why??

Reminds me of a quote you may have read before..

Defeat is a state of mind. No one is ever defeated until defeat has been accepted as a reality. To me, defeat in anything is merely temporary, and its punishment is but an urge for me to greater effort to achieve my goal. Defeat simply tells me that something is wrong in my doing; it is a path leading to success and truth.
— Bruce Lee

My 10ml,

Taoiron
Nugga Extraordinaire!!

 

[Big Rick Rock]

BRR….

I assume you are referring to my Bro ItalianMuscle27…. You banned the Nugga?? Why??

Reminds me of a quote you may have read before..

Defeat is a state of mind. No one is ever defeated until defeat has been accepted as a reality. To me, defeat in anything is merely temporary, and its punishment is but an urge for me to greater effort to achieve my goal. Defeat simply tells me that something is wrong in my doing; it is a path leading to success and truth.
— Bruce Lee

My 10ml,

Taoiron
Nugga Extraordinaire!!

taoiron,


We have a huge site with a lot of people here. Most of them are nonPlats. I have plenty of work to do and disputes to resolve. All without having to worry about a nonPlat bashing sponsors and one of our writers best selling writers, both of which make EF money, by a person who does not.

Simply put, there was no reason to keep him here and every reason to let him go.




-BRR

 

[taoiron]

taoiron,


We have a huge site with a lot of people here. Most of them are nonPlats. I have plenty of work to do and disputes to resolve. All without having to worry about a nonPlat bashing sponsors and one of our writers best selling writers, both of which make EF money, by a person who does not.

Simply put, there was no reason to keep him here and every reason to let him go.




-BRR

 

[MorganKane]

Since someone asked for a report on their result I give you mine.

Been on Since Friday or it might have been Saturday.

So far to report:
Not much.
The uneasy stomach is gone and I cant feel anything. Its like I am not even taking the product but its not been that many days yet.