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My Thoughts on Yohimburn....(condensed)

W

WCP

Elite Mentor
4 days on it now, using it twice per day on pecs and lower abs.

Best place to buy topical yohimbe product is here:

https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Fat-Burners-c35/YohimFlame-p304.html

Days 1,2,3 I used a total of a 60mg application to each area.
Today and tomorrow, I will use a total of 120mg per area.

I plan to take 2-3 days off after my 5th day on.

At this point all I can say is....simply amazing.

Ive read, and read about everything posted by Macro and Ulter about this, and as with most things Im always very skeptical and not real apt to jump on just any bandwagon.

But...I figured it was a good price so why not give it a shot.

The difference in the nipple area was almost immediate. It was very noticable within 1/2hr after my 3-4th application.

The effect has not subsided as of yet.

As far as my lower abs are concerned, I really cant guage at this point. I am holding some water (currently on cycle) so that determination will be made later.

Im currently at just a hair over 10%bf.

I just wanted to throw my hat into the ring and say that I am very impressed up to this point.

Peace,
WCP
 
That's good to hear. I'll be using it in the same manner you are, lower abs and pecs. I'm probably @ 8% right now, hoping to get down to 6 by xmas. I ordered mine last week on Monday I believe. How long before yours came in? I think I did standard mail.
 
I did the 3 day express I believe..

WCP


P.S. One thing I forgot to mention.....if you have a severe chest/head cold like myself....the potency of the vapors from this stuff will clear you up real quick....just imagine Vicks Vapor Rub for stubborn fat loss...heh..heh..heh..heh..
 
my two cents...

it's my third day on it now, using it for my pecs... let me just explain the results so far by first saying how i apply the yohimburn to my chest: I "hunch" over and flex my pec in a way which causes the fat to be as visible as possible. i pinch the fat, and put the yohimburn on the fold of fat straight from the dropper. then i use two or three fingers to massage it in.

well, every single time i find that pinch of fat, there is less fat to find. every time i massage the stuff in, i can FEEL that the fat has shrunk. Every time.

can't wait to see the results in a couple weeks!
 
hey bros,
currently im in the middle of a bulking cycle, so the yohimburn isnt of much use to me now.....although i dont know enough about it to post i was gonna ask a question.....what are u guys opinions for the use of for my girlfriend....i mean to toxic, to dangerous.....of course at a low dosage......any information will be much appreciated!!!!
thanks again
 
Yo

My wife just finished a cycle using it...she could feel the burn on her ass and thigh..she really enjoyed it and the results are astonishing....( she was also on oxan, t3, eca and low carbs) lots of cardio.....believe me she just remodeled her body...incredible results....wow
 
I just started my diet today along with winny for 7 weeks, at what time should I begin with the yohimburn?
Also would it benefit a woman who's basically a newbie to the word "exercise & fitness" who wants to tighten up abit due to pregnancy 2 yrs ago etc. Or would it be a waste?
 
I just got mine in today. I put my first application on about an hour ago. I don't give a shit how well the stuff works, it makes my nipples feel niiiiice. Of course the fat loss will be a plus also.:)
 
Re: Sounds great

gethard1 said:
but how many tubes is required for correct usage??
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really depends on individual response, # of sites used, size of sites used, amount of female(A2 rich) fats, and tolerance to yohimbine.

most people start out with a quarter pippette twice a day and work their way up to find a comfortable dosage.

with smaller areas a quarter pippette may be all that is necessary.. when used on fatty nipples for example... though most people prefer to use more.. to get wider area of application and additional stimulatory benefits.
 
I am sorry I missed this post earlier. I am glad to see vets, especially the knowledgeable, "hard to impress", guys who have seen it all, type vets like WCP are taking the time to write about their experiences with Yohimburn.
If a product is going to make claims about it's effectiveness it had better live up them in the "proving grounds" which are the boards like this one.
I am happy to see Yohimburn has lived up to the name. Thanks again.


https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Fat-Burners-c35/YohimFlame-p304.html
 
When macrophage69alpha first wanted to test out his new carrier i volunteered and he sent me a bottle. When i was done with it i could not believe how well it worked. I used it on my love handles and pecs. I have always hand trouble with my love handles, after using it and dieting i couldn't believe that it actually worked as well as it was advertised, i mean how often does that happen. This shit is fucking awesome, and i reccomend it to any body with low BF.

M56M
 
Ok, this is for all of you that use this stuff on your nips. Do you only rub it into your nips, or do you put it all over your chest? I use 1 pinch on the dropper per nip. Is that too much or what. It seems to cover my whole chest by the time I'm done. I haven't been using it too long so I can't tell ya any results, but I'd like a little feedback on how you guys have gotten good results. I like my chest size, just not the puffy nips. Although I'm sure some of my chest is fat too. So what do you do?

Thanks


:fro:
 
M56M said:
When macrophage69alpha first wanted to test out his new carrier i volunteered and he sent me a bottle. When i was done with it i could not believe how well it worked. I used it on my love handles and pecs. I have always hand trouble with my love handles, after using it and dieting i couldn't believe that it actually worked as well as it was advertised, i mean how often does that happen. This shit is fucking awesome, and i reccomend it to any body with low BF.

M56M
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Exactly my story, and I'll be offended if macro doesn't personally ask me to try out the new carrier when it's out :)

I also recommend it for people with not-so-low bf - I'm at 12%, but my love handles are relatively fatter - they used to look like those of someone with 15-17%... I thought nothing would work until I discovered this stuff! Just started rubbing the residue on my hands over my (already pretty lean) titties (hey, don't want any of it to go to waste), and DAMN, it REALLY works up there - it's got rid of that last tiny bit of chest fat.

NB, my experience has been that it works even better with cardio (duh!), I used it while bulking and not doing cardio and definitely did not lose as much as when I was doing my cardio classes... but I guess that's obvious...
 
Well

I have good news and bad news about Yohimburn, first the good news. Came quickly and I used it for 3 days, on Chest, stomach(love handles) and neck face area. With in 1 day neck and face DEFINTELY looked leaner. The Stomach may have changed abit on 2nd day and no change in chest. Now for the BAD news lastnight when I was posing in front of the mirror(I'm a vein person) I turned to do back and Bicep pose and I hit my bottle of Yohimburn and it poured all over the floor. So no more Yohimburn, and I don't have money to buy anymore. :(
 
Busta,

SOME of the fat may return over time.. if you expose your body to the same conditions that caused the deposition.. eating too much, not excercising enough, and poor estrogen management. Losing the fat in those areas will help with the last issue (peripheral fats, especially estrogenic related fats, produce aromatase which converts test to estrogen), other things that help are maintining good zinc intake and perhaps a low dose of an aromatase inhibitor...1/4mg of arimdex (this will almost guarantee low estrogen level, but it is not totally necessary).

SO in essence, the very the loss of the fat (which is hard to lose without an A2 blocker like yohimbine) will help you to keep the estrogenic fat off.
 
Never used it before.

I normally use phlojel+Yohimbe HCL powder. Works well.

But, I'd guess I'd be curious to see the difference in
carrier effectiveness between Yohimburn and Phlojel+YOH
HCL powder before this march break.

The Par Deus vs Macro thread on carrier effectiveness,
had me a bit skeptical regarding the carrier choices.

Fonz
 
part of the NEW yohimburn FAQ

btw- if you have any questions you want answered put them in this thread :)

How is Yohimburn applied?

It is applied directly to the area where you have stubborn fat pockets. You use the pipette to squirt a measured amount onto the skin, which you then rub in.

Is there anything that I need to do to prepare my skin for the application?

1. you should exfoliate the area, at least 2 to 3 times per week. Exfoliation gets rid of the dead surface layer of skin that may hinder your results.

2. you should apply to clean skin, usually after a shower. If not applying after a shower, just rub the application site with a warm wet cloth or rag.


How much should I apply?

This really varies a lot. People’s response and tolerance to Yohimbine varies. Generally, most people use between 3/4 and 1 full pipette per application. This equates to roughly 60-80mg. However, when beginning your treatment with Yohimburn you should start with a quarter pipette per application and work you way up to a comfortable dose. If you start to notice side effects; which include headache, chills, or excessive tiredness... you are taking too much. Most people don't experience these effect until well over 1 pipette. Some people can apply two or three pipettes without any side effects. These are just general guidelines, you must decide what is too much or too little for you.


HOW MANY SERVINGS OR APPLICATIONS ARE THERE IN A BOTTLE?
There are approximately 150 quarter pipette servings
There are approximately 75 half pipette servings
There are approximately 38 full pipette servings.
Each bottle contains 3100mg of Yohimbine.
Each bottle contains 105ml of solution.
Each quarter pipette contains 20-22 mg of Yohimbine.
Each quarter pipette contains approximately .7ml.

S O HOW LONG WILL A BOTTLE LAST ME?

It really depends on how much you use and the frequency of use but a bottle typically last 4-6 weeks, especially if using the 4-5 ON / 1-2 OFF pattern of use, described below. But it can last longer if you are just using on small areas or shorter if you like using higher doses or don't use the ON/OFF pattern.

How often should I apply Yohimburn?

Once or twice a day. Though some people like to apply it more often. When applying more often you must be aware of the fact that Yohimbine builds up in your system and the above side effects may “sneak” up on you with more frequent dosing. Some people like to dose more frequently, but if you do just keep this in mind.

CAN I APPLY IT EVERY DAY?

Yes . But we recommend that it be applied 4 to 5 days ON and then 1-2 days OFF. This pattern allows for higher doses and helps with both systemic build up and the water retention that sometimes accompanies Yohimburn use. Many people use it for weeks straight and really enjoy taking it this way. However, most people generally feel better with this ON/OFF pattern of use and the results are more apparent on the days off.


HOW LONG UNTIL I SEE RESULTS?

It varies and depends upon a lot of factors. The three main factors are diet, exercise and water retention. But results can been seen in as little as 5 days of use. However, the BEST picture of results is after you stop using Yohimbine and what water retention, if any, you have recedes. This can take up to 2 weeks, but usually any excess water is gone by a week after cessation.



ARE THE RESULT PERMANENT OR JUST TEMPORARY?

The results are "permanent" loss of fat, not just temporary losses of water which is sadly the basis for many fat loss products. The permanent is in " " because as with any fat loss if you overeat or are exposed to the same biochemical environment, usually in conjunction with the overeating, fat can return. But is as permanent as any other fat loss. In another section we will deal with managing estrogen, which is important for both men and women.
 
I enjoyed using Macrophage69alpha's minty fresh applicant so much I bought 3 bottles. Nice to see a version of it combined with the YoHCl already:Yohimburn

Saw excellent results in about 2 weeks. I had puffy nips and they went away in about that time along with some fat.

Lewd
 
LewdTenant said:
I enjoyed using Macrophage69alpha's minty fresh applicant so much I bought 3 bottles. Nice to see a version of it combined with the YoHCl already:Yohimburn

Saw excellent results in about 2 weeks. I had puffy nips and they went away in about that time along with some fat.

Lewd
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:D

btw- thanks again for your participation in the testing of the solution
 
will it help me?

i am 5'10'' 240 14-16 % bf i'm bout to star a cutting cycle with clen t3 tren winny and test. i'm doint 30-45 min a day of cardio and eating clean, will this help or am i too fat? also i don't guess you can inject this?
thanks
 
Ok, OK......I'll grudgingly give it a try.

I'll have it in 8-10 days and I'll write a diary like El
Cubano.

I want to see its effectiveness at LOW body-fat percentages.
i.e ME. 6.3%

I just hope I don't stink like Vicks Vapour rub all day... :)

Fonz
 
The smell is quite pleasant. I know my cats like it b/c they won't leave me alone. All they keep doing is climbing all over me trying to smell it. Now if it would only work like that on women lol
 
I just recieved mine. Thought i would try it out. Only been on it for a couple days now so not really see'ing anything. hope too soon.

But when i first applied the stuff I was like no biggie (wondering about the so-called burn) then it hit. ouch! smell isnt that bad.

by the way. Im under 15%bf.. this too fat to make a difference?
 
Bramil and Pumped,

Results will depend on the area applied too. At higher bodyfat levels the results will be most noticeable in areas that are VERY A2 RICH.

What area(s) are you applying to and what is the consistancy of the fat? how "soft"/feminine is the fat? typically the softer/more feminine the fat is the greater the alpha2 density.
 
I was very skeptical as well, but it really did seem to produce a difference around my nips - my girlfriend is also convinced that the
stuff works as an aphrodisiac on her.
 
I've heard things for a while about Yohimburn but this thread finally convinced me to try it. I'm at 7.2% bf and it seems most of that is carried on my belly. I'm going to try the trial size first.
 
Macro,

I am not sure if you remember you sent me some of your new carrier when you wanted to have it tested out. Well it worked wonders for me got me lower in BF than ever before, but i was at a decently low BF at the time bc i was at the end of a cycle.

Now i have the same trouble areas back from slacking a bit ...love handles, and some fat on my chest.

I just started a cycle of EQ @ 600mg/week and Enanthate @ 600mg/week for 10 weeks.

Would it be better to wait a few weeks to apply more YHCL or could i use it now to accelerate fat loss in these areas? I know YHCL hits the A2 recpetors and helps break down stubborn fat. But my questions is becuase i know i have stubborn fat in those areas. And those are always the two parts to lag behind when i begin to get near or under 10%.

Thanks bro.

M56M
 
macrophage69alpha said:
M65M,

are you cutting right now?
since you are using test you might want to consider using arimidex (unless you already are)
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Not necessarily cutting but for example. My last cycle was sutanon and EQ. I went from about 185lbs @ 15-16BF% to about 197lbs @ 8-9BF%. So in reality i gained a good amount of muscle, and lost alot of fat. And that wasn't lifting light or on an actual cutting diet, just clean calories, no cardio, and lifting basically heavy all the time.

So i am not to sure if you would consider it cutting, i am eating a good amount just clean.

And yes i am taking arimdex tabs.

What about the YHCL?

M56M
 
M65M,

either way would be fine.. the results may be more "noticeable" if you begin with a lower bodyfat percentage but the effects in those areas (the A2 rich ones) is the same. The concurrent use of arimidex should help in increasing and maintaining the fat loss.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
M65M,

either way would be fine.. the results may be more "noticeable" if you begin with a lower bodyfat percentage but the effects in those areas (the A2 rich ones) is the same. The concurrent use of arimidex should help in increasing and maintaining the fat loss.
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Arimidex helps you increase fat loss?

M56M
 
to a certain extent. by limiting estrogen agonism and regulation of the A2(which is why its called estrogenic fat)

secondly arimidex, by decreasing circulating estrgoen, will increase circulation thyroid (t3).. estrogen increases resin uptake by the gland= less circulating.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
to a certain extent. by limiting estrogen agonism and regulation of the A2(which is why its called estrogenic fat)

secondly arimidex, by decreasing circulating estrgoen, will increase circulation thyroid (t3).. estrogen increases resin uptake by the gland= less circulating.
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Thats awesome bro, i wasn't aware of that, thank you.

If i use the 5 day on method and 2 day off, will my body build up a strong tolerance for the YHCL?? Can i start i now and run it through the cycle?

Becuase if a tolerance will build up i will wait to drop the BF a bit first.

M56M
 
there is NO TOLERANCE to the alpha blockade of Yohimbine.. you may become used to the increased NE levels (which is why the stimulant effects decrease SLIGHTLY) it can be used for extended periods with comparable effectiveness.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
there is NO TOLERANCE to the alpha blockade of Yohimbine.. you may become used to the increased NE levels (which is why the stimulant effects decrease SLIGHTLY) it can be used for extended periods with comparable effectiveness.
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Good Karma for you.

Thank you very much, i will keep you posted on my results this time around also.


M56M
 
Has anyone tried both YHCL and one of the Cutting Gel products?

Just wondering how they might compare, from everything I have read or seen posted the YHCL sounds way more effective.
Any thoughts?


Thanks,
RideHard

Go Big-
 
Ridehard,

there are quite a few people that have tried both. I would say that probably 99% of those posting found Yohimbine(both topically and orally..orally being less effective than topical with more side effects) vastly superior. (note- I have not actually seen a single post saying that they liked cutting gel better, most found cutting gel to be a waste of money.. though some (very few) liked it

The reason being that cutting gel, which contains aminophylline or theophylline (i forget which), is a very weak beta agonist... this means that it does have some WEAK fatburning properties. its local effects are due to its DIURETIC effects.. it "gets rid" of local water.. temporarily.. It is a poor fat burner, has no "local" fat burning effects" and is basically expensive "topical water pill"... most consider it a waste of money.
 
Thanks for the info!
I tried cutting gel when it first hit the market and it was only mildly effective. After all the positive remarks I have seen about YHCL I will give it a try towards the end of my var/winny/deca/primo/eq/clen/t3 cycle :)

Thanks again,
RideHard

Go Big-
 
I just got my Yohimburn and it burns like fire!!! It feels like Icy Hot x 10. I hope it works. My question is that your FAQ page states to start at about 1 pipette per application. Does this mean to use 1/2 a pipette on each love handle or a full pipette on each love handle? What if I want to apply it on my love handles and my nipples? Can I do it all at once or do I do one on one week and the other on the next? Thanks for the help guys!
 
OH YA. I just started using tonight also and at first i was like "This doesnt burn shit" then 3 minutes later it hit me. My eyes were watering. I'm just using it around the lower chest area. Hope it works.

BTW macro can i actually put it on my nipple? I'm figuring you can but just wanted to double check. Thanks.
 
there are so many threads about Yohimburn so I am not sure if this has been asked already :)

Macro,

can I dilute each dose of Yohimburn with water at a ratio of 1:1, like 1/4 pippette of Yohimburn with 1/4 pippete of water?

The reason that I am asking is that I want to be able to cover the same area, like my abs, with a smaller amount of Yohimburn, because I found that I get the "extreme tiredness" side-effect quite often.

If water is not a good option, is there anything you might recommend?

Thanks.
 
Millie,

do you just get the "extreme tiredness" when applying to abs.. or do you get it with other areas of application?

the reason that I ask is that with areas where side effects occur at lower dosages often either have VERY good blood flow or have low A2 density.

yes it can be diluted, water is OK.. but may not be the best choice as it MAY, though not necessarily, increase systemic uptake.. aloe vera gel which can be found at health food store is a good choice.

note- you may just be more sensitive to yohimbine.. do you get a similar effect with adipo-K or NYC(if you have tried it)?
 
after 2 days it seems that my nip areas are actually more swollen or puffy than before. I can tell better when i have a t-shirt on.

I'm guessing this will subsied after 1-2 weeks.
 
Thanks for the reply Macro :)

nope, I don't get the side effects just from applying Yohimburn on the abs.
I just started using Yohimburn again (along with a low-carb cutting diet) about a week ago and I have been trying to target the applications. I go for 3 days on and 1 day off. The first 3 days I applied in just on the abs. The first day I was ok, the second day I got a mild headache, and the third day I had a mild headache and felt very tired. The second 3 days I applied it just on one of my upper legs and the same thing happened - the second day i got the mild headache; and the third day - a headache and feeling burnt out. And today I am starting on the other leg... :)

Here are my stats (if that would be helpful):
5'3, 125lbs, 13-14%bf

I haven't taken NYC in a few months (it's kinda hard to find here in Canada) and I can't remember if I felt any side effects from it.
 
Cure said:
after 2 days it seems that my nip areas are actually more swollen or puffy than before. I can tell better when i have a t-shirt on.

I'm guessing this will subsied after 1-2 weeks.
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Local water retention is a problem for some.. are you using a 5on 2off schedule?

and is this solely for puffy nipples(varying effectiveness) or is there local fat(usually very effective) as well?
 
Millie,

you may want to increase the carbs (at least a little).. some women experience low blood sugar effects.. perhaps add some fruits (little insuling response and good for liver glycogen as well)..

let me know if this helps.. otherwise we may need to attack this from a different angle
 
One more question, how many pipette are in 4 oz's? and when you ship to canada is that Ups or USPS, cause if its ups ground they charge brokerage :(
 
There are approximately 150 quarter pipette servings
There are approximately 75 half pipette servings
There are approximately 38 full pipette servings.
Each bottle contains 3100mg of Yohimbine.
Each bottle contains 105ml of solution.
Each quarter pipette contains 20-22 mg of Yohimbine.
Each quarter pipette contains approximately .7ml.

Anabolicfitness sends everything UPS, but Email them regarding brokerage [email protected]
 
Hey Mac, check mail......

And i think i wanna get some of this shit for my cutting half of the cycle. Could i give ya cash instead of using credit? You know where i am so shippin shouldnt be a prob......either way, let me know whats up.

As far as my email, my thoughts have altered slightly (numerous people are actually supprised with my size increase in my arms, traps, back and shoulders. I guess i just cant really notice the difference as much cuz i see myself everyday!) but i am still curious about my ?...........
Thanx.
 
RideHard said:
Has anyone tried both YHCL and one of the Cutting Gel products?

Just wondering how they might compare, from everything I have read or seen posted the YHCL sounds way more effective.
Any thoughts?


Go Big-
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I tried both, cutting gel was a waist of money. Yohimburn works great.
 
i just started some myself...about 5 days ago......i think i need to use more........i agree that the effect on my pecs were almost immediate......ive just been using the reccomended 1/4 pippette.....im going to up it to at least 1/2 pippete per each pec........same with love handles..


One question for Macro though....i know you reccomend 3 days on 2 off......incase of systemic build up...

what exactly is that and how do you know if its happening....I feel like i could just use this shit....straight with no breaks

what do you think


good product so far though....

im using along with my deca/winny.....and adipokinitex/guggulobolic stack....

h19
 
how can you tell if you are holding water...ive never used test or anything before so im not really used to holding water.....

what are some signs.................oh and i do get chills but i think its from the adipo/guggul stack


thanks for the info though


h19
 
macrophage69alpha said:
Millie,

you may want to increase the carbs (at least a little).. some women experience low blood sugar effects.. perhaps add some fruits (little insuling response and good for liver glycogen as well)..

let me know if this helps.. otherwise we may need to attack this from a different angle
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Thanks again Macro,

this sounds like a good idea, I will give it a try and I will let you know how it goes.

The thing is that with my first bottle of Yohimburn, I wasn't applying it just to 1 area for a few days, like I am doing now. The applications were more spread out, something like day 1 - both hamstrings; day 2 - both quads; day 3 - glutes; day 4 - abs; then 2 days off and then the same cycle again. And I didn't get those side effects, but it took about 3 weeks before I noticed visible results. I decided to try a different approach this time and target 1 area at a time. Is it possible that I am just more sensitive to yohimbine when I get more of it in just 1 body part?

Well, I will increase my daily carb intake by adding fruit to my diet and see if that helps. I hope it does because with these targeted applications I am seeing results way faster :D
 
Millie,

It may be that continual use in the same bodypart, for some, may result in higher systemic levels of yohimbine, either due to saturation of the tissue, systemic build up or to A2 effects on blood flow.. ie when you apply it to the same area you get some systemic uptake from the second application and from the area where some remains, which is slowly being released(some reduced to 11-oh and some as yohimbine=more stimulatory/sides) as well, from initial application.

the fruit should help but if it does not we can look into designing a pattern for you that allows for more intensive use without the buildup.
 
Just applied my first application. Roughly 3/4 of a pep.
I was wondering what all the fuss was about when all of a sudden..... Awwwooo this stuff is icy hot!

I hope this stuff does the business. I've been dieting months and doing cardio, and I'm begining to wonder if I have ANY abs!

Come on Yohimburn show me what yo can do....!;)
 
Well, just got my 2 bottles. So, in 2-3 days I'll be doing:

1. 75mg in the AM and 75mg in the PM 5-on/2-off

For 4 weeks. Followed by:

2. 113mg in the AM and 113mg in the PM until done.

As your BF goes way down, more YOH is needed.
(This has been my experience).

I'm also going to test wether Capoten+Yohimburn is
better than Yohimburn alone.

In theory Capoten should let you decrease your Yohimburn
dosage, yet still let you achieve the same effect as
a higher YOH dosage.
Capoten btw, is an A2 DOWN-REGULATOR which is mainly
used for low BP.

Fonz
 
Fonz said:

I'm also going to test wether Capoten+Yohimburn is
better than Yohimburn alone.

In theory Capoten should let you decrease your Yohimburn
dosage, yet still let you achieve the same effect as
a higher YOH dosage.
Capoten btw, is an A2 DOWN-REGULATOR which is mainly
used for low BP.

Fonz
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Please try to keep us updated on how the Capoten works out for you. I've read the 3 or so articles about it in Dirty Dieting and have been wondering about it myself. The way it is explained in those articles makes it sound very interesting but I just wonder why no one has tried it yet. Maybe they did but just got no reports so that is the reason I've read nothing about it?

EngiCream
 
ulter said:
Fonz, where are you planning to use it?
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All on the hams, thighs and ham-glute tie-ins.
None on the abs. I have no need. My fat distribution
is just weird I guess.

Fonz
 
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