My SARMS-S4 Experience

[EliteFitnessGuy]

I sort-of do that. If I miss a shot or two (I normally take two shots of 2.4 units/each per day), I just skip them. So I probably average about 60-65% of 4.8IU's /day.

I would be really curious about your testosterone levels.

I have been already struggling with S-4 for 2 months of my ultra-long PCT. As I already said, I felt nothing at low doses 15-35 mg/day. And when I used less than 35 mg/day, my strength gained during my Anavar cycle slowly decreased. Hence I raised the dosage to 45 mg/day on 24th March, but after one week I again felt nothing. Being irritated by it, I started to doubt, if the bottle actually contains real S-4. Nevertheless, I decided to give it "the last chance", and on 1st April, I further raised the dose up to 50 mg/day. On Saturday, 3rd April, it finally started to work! My terrible fatigue, accumulated during the last weeks of a "low-testosterone regime", disappeared virtually overnight, and although I haven't noticed any remarkable strength increase so far, I feel really great, better than ever before on steroids. If I were 100% sure that it would cause no harm to me, I would take it permanently.

Unfortunately, my bottle is almost empty already. I planned to check my blood values on 15th April, when I go to the town, because I wanted to see to what a degree 50 mg/day can slow down my recovery, but I am afraid that at 50 mg/day, I will consume it before this date. Furthermore, I want to buy some letrozole from my friend (Note: You still may not be aware of it, but letrozole is the strongest PCT drug available!) and due to its long half-life, I must use it as soon as possible. This could potentially distort my blood work, of course, because letrozole can routinely increase testosterone levels by +220%.

However, based on my experience with S-4, I have developed a new PCT plan: I will use S-4 at 40 mg/day for the first 3-4 weeks of my PCT, simultaneously with letrozole. And I will run letrozole for additional 4 weeks to ensure complete testosterone recovery. In theory, I should not lose anything of my gains. Using any anti-estrogen without S-4 makes no sense, because my post-cycle testosterone suppression is obviously so large that even 200% increase wouldn't do anything.

 

[truckdaddy]

I would be really curious about your testosterone levels.

I have been already struggling with S-4 for 2 months of my ultra-long PCT. As I already said, I felt nothing at low doses 15-35 mg/day. And when I used less than 35 mg/day, my strength gained during my Anavar cycle slowly decreased. Hence I raised the dosage to 45 mg/day on 24th March, but after one week I again felt nothing. Being irritated by it, I started to doubt, if the bottle actually contains real S-4. Nevertheless, I decided to give it "the last chance", and on 1st April, I further raised the dose up to 50 mg/day. On Saturday, 3rd April, it finally started to work! My terrible fatigue, accumulated during the last weeks of a "low-testosterone regime", disappeared virtually overnight, and although I haven't noticed any remarkable strength increase so far, I feel really great, better than ever before on steroids. If I were 100% sure that it would cause no harm to me, I would take it permanently.

Unfortunately, my bottle is almost empty already. I planned to check my blood values on 15th April, when I go to the town, because I wanted to see to what a degree 50 mg/day can slow down my recovery, but I am afraid that at 50 mg/day, I will consume it before this date. Furthermore, I want to buy some letrozole from my friend (Note: You still may not be aware of it, but letrozole is the strongest PCT drug available!) and due to its long half-life, I must use it as soon as possible. This could potentially distort my blood work, of course, because letrozole can routinely increase testosterone levels by +220%.

However, based on my experience with S-4, I have developed a new PCT plan: I will use S-4 at 40 mg/day for the first 3-4 weeks of my PCT, simultaneously with letrozole. And I will run letrozole for additional 4 weeks to ensure complete testosterone recovery. In theory, I should not lose anything of my gains. Using any anti-estrogen without S-4 makes no sense, because my post-cycle testosterone suppression is obviously so large that even 200% increase wouldn't do anything.

very cool, please keep us updated on how that works for you.

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

Update: After 8 days on 50 mg/day, I must correct my hasty opinion on S-4 (Well, it was also influenced by the fact that I didn't intend to take high doses from the beginning, because I wanted to use it during PCT). It is a great stuff - at least for me, because from certain reasons, I suffer from chronic fatigue (and this is also the reason, why I decided for a regular steroid use two years ago). To my surprise, steroids didn't do much for me in this regard. My strength increased - sometimes dramatically -, but my overal physical state during cycles didn't improve markedly, I was very vulnerable to overtraining like before and I could increase my limited training loads only very slightly.

Apparently, S-4 works very differently, and although I don't like emotional exaggerations, I don't hesisate to say that at least for the purpose of regeneration and endurance, S-4 is a bomb. Today I broke my personal bests (number of reps) with lighter loads on dead-lift and bent-over rows, and after finishing the training, I felt like if I didn't train at all. I was not even sweated. In short, I feel like a Stakhanovite. :-D

I wish the clinical tests of Ostarine were finished soon. I would like to take some SARMs for longer periods of time, but I don't want to risk my health.

 

[truckdaddy]

Update: After 8 days on 50 mg/day, I must correct my hasty opinion on S-4 (Well, it was also influenced by the fact that I didn't intend to take high doses from the beginning, because I wanted to use it during PCT). It is a great stuff - at least for me, because from certain reasons, I suffer from chronic fatigue (and this is also the reason, why I decided for a regular steroid use two years ago). To my surprise, steroids didn't do much for me in this regard. My strength increased - sometimes dramatically -, but my overal physical state during cycles didn't improve markedly, I was very vulnerable to overtraining like before and I could increase my limited training loads only very slightly.

Apparently, S-4 works very differently, and although I don't like emotional exaggerations, I don't hesisate to say that at least for the purpose of regeneration and endurance, S-4 is a bomb. Today I broke my personal bests (number of reps) with lighter loads on dead-lift and bent-over rows, and after finishing the training, I felt like if I didn't train at all. I was not even sweated. In short, I feel like a Stakhanovite. :-D

I wish the clinical tests of Ostarine were finished soon. I would like to take some SARMs for longer periods of time, but I don't want to risk my health.

I have been trying to tell people this all along!

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

I just got my blood tests.

5th February (after an 8-week Anavar cycle):
HDL: 0.51 mmol/l 1-2.1 *(---)
LDL: 5.48 mmol/l 1.2-3 (---)*
LDL:HDL 10.75:1
Testosterone total: 11.25 ng/dl 285-800 *(---)
ALT: 0.76 ukat/l 0.05-0.85 (-*-)
AST: 0.75 ukat/l 0.05-0.89 (-*-)

15th March (after 5 1/2 weeks, and after 4 1/2 weeks of taking S-4, 15-30 mg/day):
HDL: 0.68 mmol/l
LDL: 3.11 mmol/l
LDL:HDL 4.57:1
Testosterone total: 132.12 ng/dl
ALT: 0.46 ukat/l
AST: 0.75 ukat/l

The cholesterol values improve quite rapidly, I am actually below the "lower risk ratio" 5:1 already, and I am heading towards the "desirable optimal ratio" 3,5:1. I don't know, what are my normal values, however.

The AST values still don't return to my normal level, but they are within the normal range.

My testosterone is nevertheless still very low, although nearly 12-times higher than last time. This is disappointing, because I already felt fine this weekend. On Sunday, I had a heavy training and maybe my test subsequently decreased a bit. In any case, I seriously consider using HCG, because this pace is too slow. On the other hand, it is known that the initial improvement of testosterone levels after a long cycle is slow.

The raising of my S-4 dosage from ca. 15 mg/day to 30 mg/day didn't bring anything spectacular, although the fall of my body weight stopped and it seems that I basically keep my strength performances during the last week.

My third blood test, 5th May 2010:
S-AST 0.75 ukat/l 0.05-0.89 (-*-)
S-LDLcholesterol 2.61 mmol/l 1.2-3 (-*-)
S-HDLcholesterol 0.88 mmol/l 1-2.1 *(---)
S-Testosteron 14.72 nmol/l 9.9-27.8 (-*-)x28,843=424,57 ng/dl

Before I comment it, I will recapitulate my steroid and PCT program:

Anavar cycle between 6th December 2009-14th February 2010
I took as much as 80 mg/day, but about 60 mg/day on the average, and finished on 6 mg/day on 14th February.

The first blood test on 5th February (when I was taking only 10 mg/day) was shocking - virtually zero testosterone (11,25 ng/dl).

PCT on S-4
I started to take S-4 on 10th February, together with a small dose of Anavar. Since the applicator was crappy, I didn't know, how much S-4 I was actually taking. I think it was only 15-20 mg/day. As a result, my strength and body weight slowly started to fall down. My patience was over on 11th March, and I began to estimate the dosage of S-4 in drops (1 drop=ca. 3 ml/3 mg). 12 drops (ca. 36 mg/day) finally stopped my strength loses, but I didn't feel well anyway. I felt no marked effect and I even doubted, if the bottle contained real S-4.

2nd bloodtest on 15th March
Despite taking S-4, my testosterone increased to 132,12 ng/dl. But this value was still low. After several days of experimenting with a lower dosage of S-4, my strength again fell a bit and I felt very exhausted. This time I was already very upset and I decided to take a "regular dose" of S-4 (50 mg/day) to get some of my strength gains back.

S-4 mini-cycle: 25th March-15th April
I started at 15 drops (45 mg/day) and later increased the dose up to 50 mg/day. At first, I again noticed nothing, but after one week I felt like if I were resurrected. Curiously, I didn't experience marked strength gains, but my endurance reached...well, as I said elsewhere, "Stakhanovite dimensions".

A final PCT with anastrozole
My S-4 bottle was empty on 16th April 2010, and subsequently I started to take anastrozole powder mixed in sunflower oil (ca. 1 mg/day). My friend originally promised some letrozole to me, which is a much stronger stuff that can increase testosterone levels by +200%, but he couldn't find it. Hence I didn't expect much, and I was even prepared for a sudden crash, but fortunately, nothing of this sort happened. The positive effect of S-4 lasted one more week after finishing the mini-cycle, and although it later disappeared, I still feel well and I even improved some personal bests on certain exercises. Basically, I can say that at worst, my strength is on the level, where it was on 11th March - which means that at least 90% of my strength gains have been preserved. Although I have kept only about 30% of my size gains from the Anavar cycle, the state of my strength is much more important for me, because it is a real reflexion of my pure muscle gains.

Actually only yesterday's training of benchpress was disturbing and this is why I decided for another bloodtest. Fortunately, anastrozole works and the additional month on S-4 (15th March-15th April) obviously didn't interefere with testosterone recovery. Although the value of 424,57 ng/dl is not especially high, it is already in the "safe range". However, if I take into consideration that anastrozole increases testosterone roughly by +60%, my "natural" testosterone is still below 300 ng/dl. Hence I should take it for several additional weeks. To my surprise, cholesterol is very good (LDL:HDL slightly below 3:1).

I admit that my PCT was somewhat chaotic, but this was a price that I paid for my first experience with S-4. I didn't know, how much I must take to prevent strength/muscle loss, not speaking about its effect on testosterone regeneration, about which I had absolutely no clue.

 

[truckdaddy]

My third blood test, 5th May 2010:
S-AST 0.75 ukat/l 0.05-0.89 (-*-)
S-LDLcholesterol 2.61 mmol/l 1.2-3 (-*-)
S-HDLcholesterol 0.88 mmol/l 1-2.1 *(---)
S-Testosteron 14.72 nmol/l 9.9-27.8 (-*-)x28,843=424,57 ng/dl

Before I comment it, I will recapitulate my steroid and PCT program:

Anavar cycle between 6th December 2009-14th February 2010
I took as much as 80 mg/day, but about 60 mg/day on the average, and finished on 6 mg/day on 14th February.

The first blood test on 5th February (when I was taking only 10 mg/day) was shocking - virtually zero testosterone (11,25 ng/dl).

PCT on S-4
I started to take S-4 on 10th February, together with a small dose of Anavar. Since the applicator was crappy, I didn't know, how much S-4 I was actually taking. I think it was only 15-20 mg/day. As a result, my strength and body weight slowly started to fall down. My patience was over on 11th March, and I began to estimate the dosage of S-4 in drops (1 drop=ca. 3 ml/3 mg). 12 drops (ca. 36 mg/day) finally stopped my strength loses, but I didn't feel well anyway. I felt no marked effect and I even doubted, if the bottle contained real S-4.

2nd bloodtest on 15th March
Despite taking S-4, my testosterone increased to 132,12 ng/dl. But this value was still low. After several days of experimenting with a lower dosage of S-4, my strength again fell a bit and I felt very exhausted. This time I was already very upset and I decided to take a "regular dose" of S-4 (50 mg/day) to get some of my strength gains back.

S-4 mini-cycle: 25th March-15th April
I started at 15 drops (45 mg/day) and later increased the dose up to 50 mg/day. At first, I again noticed nothing, but after one week I felt like if I were resurrected. Curiously, I didn't experience marked strength gains, but my endurance reached...well, as I said elsewhere, "Stakhanovite dimensions".

A final PCT with anastrozole
My S-4 bottle was empty on 16th April 2010, and subsequently I started to take anastrozole powder mixed in sunflower oil (ca. 1 mg/day). My friend originally promised some letrozole to me, which is a much stronger stuff that can increase testosterone levels by +200%, but he couldn't find it. Hence I didn't expect much, and I was even prepared for a sudden crash, but fortunately, nothing of this sort happened. The positive effect of S-4 lasted one more week after finishing the mini-cycle, and although it later disappeared, I still feel well and I even improved some personal bests on certain exercises. Basically, I can say that at worst, my strength is on the level, where it was on 11th March - which means that at least 90% of my strength gains have been preserved. Although I have kept only about 30% of my size gains from the Anavar cycle, the state of my strength is much more important for me, because it is a real reflexion of my pure muscle gains.

Actually only yesterday's training of benchpress was disturbing and this is why I decided for another bloodtest. Fortunately, anastrozole works and the additional month on S-4 (15th March-15th April) obviously didn't interefere with testosterone recovery. Although the value of 424,57 ng/dl is not especially high, it is already in the "safe range". However, if I take into consideration that anastrozole increases testosterone roughly by +60%, my "natural" testosterone is still below 300 ng/dl. Hence I should take it for several additional weeks. To my surprise, cholesterol is very good (LDL:HDL slightly below 3:1).

I admit that my PCT was somewhat chaotic, but this was a price that I paid for my first experience with S-4. I didn't know, how much I must take to prevent strength/muscle loss, not speaking about its effect on testosterone regeneration, about which I had absolutely no clue.

I have been trying to tell people this! sarms works in PCT, ab bridge and a stand alone. You will fully recover during PCT while on sarms.

I ran sarms 4 or 5 times at doses of 50mg-100mgs last year with no PCT. I just had my test levels checked with a saliva test and they can back normal.

I started sarms again on the 14th of this month at 50mgs ed and I will be getting them checked again as soon as I get off. Sarms does not suppress.

Thanks for the great post man. Good info

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

I basically agree with you, although I suspect that S-4 can slow down the process of recovery. Nevertheless, it is a great stuff, when you use it during the first weeks post-cycle. That's the most important period, because any PCT stuff may not be sufficient to prevent strength/muscle crash. My next PCT will consist of S-4 at 40-50 mg/day for 4 weeks, followed by 4-6 weeks on letrozole. In theory, this plan should keep virtually all gains (In praxis, I am more realistic - but I'll see.)

Although 425 ng/dl is not a high testosterone level, anastrozole can markedly elevate free testosterone. Thus, my active free testostorone may be far higher than in an ordinary man with this testosterone concentration. This could explain my good performance on the majority of exercises during the last 3 weeks. Nevertheless, today I repeated my yesterday's unfinished training of chest and shoulders, and I was very disappointed. It was a heavy blow to my self-confidence and optimistic mood after my weekend's personal bests in pull-ups with weights. It is very strange, however. On bench press, I can barely lift a weight, with which I did 4 reps during the cycle, but subsequently I did single-arm incline press with a relatively lighter load and I achieved my personal best in the number of reps. Similarly, on dumbbell rows I can now make more reps with a lighter load than during the cycle, but I am unable to lift my usual "heavy load" properly. Neural fatigue, perhaps?

 

[redsamurai]

because you're blowing out your CNS. You can be on anythign you want, if your CNS isn't recovered you're not going to lift dick.

 

[Rottman1]

Wow, this S-4 really intrigues me. My question is, will S-4 show up in a drug test, whether its a regular type drug test or one that tests specifically for steroids (i know this is not a steroid) but nontheless. Thanks, the reason I ask is UI am interested but am subjeted to drug tests in my organization. Thanks

 

[ChemWiz]

Wow, this S-4 really intrigues me. My question is, will S-4 show up in a drug test, whether its a regular type drug test or one that tests specifically for steroids (i know this is not a steroid) but nontheless. Thanks, the reason I ask is UI am interested but am subjeted to drug tests in my organization. Thanks

No sir, sarms will not make you test positive for any kind of drug test, WADA style or one that a job may give for recreational drugs.