My SARMS-S4 Experience

[mrplunkey]

I still fail to understand why you havn't done( and you don't intend) a proper PCT with at least some Nolvadex ...

I don't use Nolvadex or clomid post cycle. My standard PCT is simply a series of HCG shots beginning 10 days after my last testosterone shot.

I normally do post-cycle bloodwork, but it's 3-4 months post cycle with test levels in the 400-600 range. What I don't know right now is if a total test level of 249 at seven weeks post-pct. I wish I had additional historical bloodwork.

 

[Roms]

As far as I know, HCG only as a PCT is just not enough ... I believe you should go on a proper PCT.

 

[mrplunkey]

As far as I know, HCG only as a PCT is just not enough ... I believe you should go on a proper PCT.

If I've managed my estrogen aggressively with Armidex while on cycle, what other PCT product would I take (other than supplements, like Unleashed and Post Cycle)?

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

not true, your natural test levels will return just the same with or with out SARMs. While S4 will not make the test levels return faster, they will not slow them down at all. It has no effect on the HPTA.

That is one if not the best thing about sarms s4.

This is not true. S-4 is suppressive, although much much less than steroids. I know two guys, who used 100 mg/day, and both experienced 50% suppression. This is a lot, but if you used a similar dose of any steroid, your test levels would be virtually zero.

Actually, mine are zero, too (11,25 ng/dl). Anavar at 60-80 mg/day, for 2 months did the job. Since I don't believe that Nolva could help me (I used it after my last cycle with Winstrol, and I lost all my gains within mere 2 weeks), I decided to take S-4 as a promising alternative. I started on Wednesday and I don't want to go over 20-25 mg/day. According to studies done in animals, 30 mg/day is a limit, below which you shouldn't observe any significant suppression. In theory, of course. It shouldn't be markedly anabolic at this dose, but I want to use it mainly as an anti-catabolic stuff. Since I don't take anything else, I am an ideal guinea pig for this purpose. I plan to do another bloodwork in mid-March.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I JUST got the REAL eye stuff last night, I went out for Vday with this girl, she asked if i liked her new "BLUE" shirt she bought and worn since its my fave color, and I flat out said "that shirt is GREEN" and she thought I was crazy, because apparently its BRIGHT blue! I looked around inside of FRIDAYS and noticed everything is yellow...I hadnt had MUCH at all up until this point and im a good 3 weeks or so in...Guess Ill deal with it for now lol Sucks that I DEF have yellow tint now...

-Legacy

 

[split endz]

I JUST got the REAL eye stuff last night, I went out for Vday with this girl, she asked if i liked her new "BLUE" shirt she bought and worn since its my fave color, and I flat out said "that shirt is GREEN" and she thought I was crazy, because apparently its BRIGHT blue! I looked around inside of FRIDAYS and noticed everything is yellow...I hadnt had MUCH at all up until this point and im a good 3 weeks or so in...Guess Ill deal with it for now lol Sucks that I DEF have yellow tint now...

-Legacy

Those transitions from bright to dark are most noticable to me. Like going inside any building after being outside on a bright day... it's pretty weird. I went in the bank Saturday & someone about 10 ft away waved & spoke to me. I couldn't tell who it was for about 15 seconds.. kinda embarrasing. If you really wanna be freaked out, be driving on a bright day & go into a tunnel... can't see nothing.

 

[truckdaddy]

This is not true. S-4 is suppressive, although much much less than steroids. I know two guys, who used 100 mg/day, and both experienced 50% suppression. This is a lot, but if you used a similar dose of any steroid, your test levels would be virtually zero.

Actually, mine are zero, too (11,25 ng/dl). Anavar at 60-80 mg/day, for 2 months did the job. Since I don't believe that Nolva could help me (I used it after my last cycle with Winstrol, and I lost all my gains within mere 2 weeks), I decided to take S-4 as a promising alternative. I started on Wednesday and I don't want to go over 20-25 mg/day. According to studies done in animals, 30 mg/day is a limit, below which you shouldn't observe any significant suppression. In theory, of course. It shouldn't be markedly anabolic at this dose, but I want to use it mainly as an anti-catabolic stuff. Since I don't take anything else, I am an ideal guinea pig for this purpose. I plan to do another bloodwork in mid-March.

If his test levels are going up even slightly, that is proof that S4 is NOT suppressive.

Anavar has shut me all the way down, S4 did nothing of sort.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Guys,

Honestly lets not say SARMS-s4 is NOT suppressive, because even in studies they said they Doses OVER 50mg can start to be SLIGHTLY suppressive. So Doses around 50mg should be SAFE, people running 100mg+ may actually get some slight shut down BUT most people on here are being smart and not running higher doses, SARMS stopped showing a positive to negative reaction in smaller animals models at 30mg, so humans is most likely around 50mg as the positive to no negative (other than eyesight) results.

-Legacy

PS: just to clarify

 

[truckdaddy]

Guys,

Honestly lets not say SARMS-s4 is NOT suppressive, because even in studies they said they Doses OVER 50mg can start to be SLIGHTLY suppressive. So Doses around 50mg should be SAFE, people running 100mg+ may actually get some slight shut down BUT most people on here are being smart and not running higher doses, SARMS stopped showing a positive to negative reaction in smaller animals models at 30mg, so humans is most likely around 50mg as the positive to no negative (other than eyesight) results.

-Legacy

PS: just to clarify

mrplunky has been running around a 100mg ed I think, and his test levels are slowing moving up....Id say not very suppressive.

I will be getting back on the S4 soon.

 

[Roms]

If I've managed my estrogen aggressively with Armidex while on cycle, what other PCT product would I take (other than supplements, like Unleashed and Post Cycle)?

I would definitely go on proper 4 weeks pct at 20 mg nolvadex a day.