My New Favorite Quote

[Nelson Montana]

I am so sick of arm chair experts! And in no other world is it more prevelant than on bodybuilding forums. (Not ths one, so much. )

Sure, the guy with the most experience isnt always the one with the best advice. But when we have steroid gurus who never took steroids, and training experts who look like shit, and fat guys giving diet advice...well, it's just ridiculous. There's even a Pro-hormone expert on another board who doesn't use pro-hormones. But he'll give you a three hour dissertation on how effective they are!

I'll admit, I too was once an expert who didnt fit the bill. I was involved in bodybuilding for 20 years and had all the book knowledge. But I still looked like crap. It took a deeper understanding to go beyond what "the book" says. And when I did that, I transformed my physique.

There's a differenece between knowing a lot -- and knowing what works.

Nevertheless, whenever I bring this up, someone will invariably say this:

"The coach doesn't have to be as good as the player to coach him."

True. But from now on, my answer to that remark will be this:

THE COACH DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AS GOOD AS THE PLAYER -- BUT HE HAS TO HAVE PLAYED THE GAME.

 

[velvett]

THE COACH DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AS GOOD AS THE PLAYER -- BUT HE HAS TO HAVE PLAYED THE GAME.

Interesting.

My best skating coaches were the ones that never had taken home the gold. I would imagine it to be because he who has the medal has less motivation to push someone else beyond their abilities as the person who does not have the medal.

I also found the coaches that were knocked out of the game due to injury to be better coaches.

I taught for several years and I was always motivated to push the kids hard in the both the areas of my own strengths and weaknesses for oddly enough similiar reason. I wanted each one of them to exceed my talents and exceed and dismiss my own failures.

JMHP

 

[dzulboy]

yeah but some people are just better blessed genetically then others look at chad n he looks like shit to me but wno doesn't he train pro wise than again all his athletes end up with kidney problems

 

[sk*]

Here goes again. Go tell that to duchane or the other people just like him.

Duchane was probably smaller than some of the girls on this board, yet he knew more than everyone combined here ...

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What's wrong with a guy looking at a 1000s of bloodwork and making a judgement based on that? You give me one good reason why he should have been part of that statistic too???

-sk

 

[dzulboy]

karma for sk

 

[Nelson Montana]

Here goes again. Go tell that to duchane or the other people just like him.

Duchane was probably smaller than some of the girls on this board, yet he knew more than everyone combined here ...

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What's wrong with a guy looking at a 1000s of bloodwork and making a judgement based on that? You give me one good reason why he should have been part of that statistic too???

-sk

sk: You have an uncanny knack for missing the point.

Duchaine played the game.

 

[sk*]

sk: You have an uncanny knack for missing the point.

Duchaine played the game.

Great! How about the second part?

What's wrong with a guy looking at a 1000s of bloodwork and making a judgement based on that? You give me one good reason why he should have been part of that statistic too???

-sk

 

[Nelson Montana]

Great! How about the second part?

What's wrong with a guy looking at a 1000s of bloodwork and making a judgement based on that? You give me one good reason why he should have been part of that statistic too???

-sk

Huh?

 

[sk*]

Huh?

I mean, if someone studies people with AAS cycles etc etc, then he has right to comment on the subject ... even if he doesnt lift.

-sk

 

[MrMakaveli]

Would you want someone to teach you to sky-dive if they had watched it on Tv a few times?

 

[Mavy]

I like this ,.. 2 differnt types of knowledge ... theoretical and practical.

Book smart vs Experience.

I believe that the best educators are people that have a good mix of both and not lots of 1.

Mavy

 

[sk*]

Would you want someone to teach you to sky-dive if they had watched it on Tv a few times?

This is completely out of context, it isn't about a few times. What if the guy had taught 500 people how to sky dive, but never done it himself???

-sk

 

[F117A Active Stealth]

I like my quotes...

 

[Nelson Montana]

Going with that line of thought...

Would you rather get in the plane with a pilot who never studied aviation but flew 10000 times, or a guy who got an A on his aviation theory exam but never flew?

 

[sk*]

Going with that line of thought...

Would you rather get in the plane with a pilot who never studied aviation but flew 10000 times, or a guy who got an A on his aviation theory exam but never flew?

It isn't the same thing nelson, for many reasons ... and if you don't see this than I don't know what to say.

The average joe can take steroids, but not everyone has numerous athletes that he can monitor. Frankly, I would much rather listen to the opinion of the "coach" than juicehead joe. JMHO.

-sk

 

[Dial_tone]

Great! How about the second part?

What's wrong with a guy looking at a 1000s of bloodwork and making a judgement based on that? You give me one good reason why he should have been part of that statistic too???

-sk

Most of the so-called steroid gurus haven't done that, and therein lies the problem.
I see people on other boards I visit suggesting cycles for people when they've only done one cycle themselves and are by all accounts, clueless. However they consider themselves knowledgeable because they know more than their even more clueless friends.

 

[sk*]

Most of the so-called steroid gurus haven't done that, and therein lies the problem.
I see people on other boards I visit suggesting cycles for people when they've only done one cycle themselves and are by all accounts, clueless. However they consider themselves knowledgeable because they know more than their even more clueless friends.

Oh, I am assuming that all the things I said are true as I believe Nelson is talking about a specific person.

Most of the cycles suggested here are a joke anyways, no wonder everyone losses their gains.

-sk

 

[boscoe wilson]

I would have to agree with Nelson on this matter. I am new at this, but I can say that I will ALWAYS heed advice given by someone with experience over someone who has done their homework....no matter what the issue.

 

[Nelson Montana]

It isn't the same thing nelson, for many reasons ... and if you don't see this than I don't know what to say.

The average joe can take steroids, but not everyone has numerous athletes that he can monitor. Frankly, I would much rather listen to the opinion of the "coach" than juicehead joe. JMHO.

-sk

In the very first post I say: "The guy with the most experience isn't necessariy the one with the best advice." So you're arguing with me by agreeing with me.

My point -- again -- is that you need to study AND to experience . Doing just one or the other leaves you with only "half" the knowledge.

 

[sk*]

In the very first post I say: "The guy with the most experience isn't necessariy the one with the best advice." So you're arguing with me by agreeing with me.

My point -- again -- is that you need to study AND to experience . Doing just one or the other leaves you with only "half" the knowledge.

Both would be great, but if you had to choose, which is more important?

Experience [on yourself] is good, but it isn't everything.

-sk

 

[velvett]

This is a circle jerk.


My answer was best so I guess all I have to say is -







BACK TO THE HAND - BACK TO THE HAND.

 

[DrJMW]

This is a world filled with informed and uninformed opinions. Many of us who have been involved with the Boards for years kinda know who the gurus are and who the ignoramuses are. The problem are the true novices--they do not know who to believe. I also have run into my share of intermediates and advanced BB'ers whose knowledge was incomplete on basic things. Novices need to study a great deal before they begin questioning and dispensing advice. All of us need to always be "students of the game." That means that the intermediates and the advanced need to continue learning either through experience or science.

Unfortunately, even the so-called experts disagree on many things--philosophy being the main thing. Knowledge being the second. Since there isn't enough scientific research on the use of AAS for elective, performance enhancement, we rely on our personal experience, the experience of others, and scientific knowledge. Unfortunately, very few users take the scientific approach to recording their experiences (blood test results, diaries, etc). So, ultimately, all we share is just "talk" and "consensus."

Anyway, my advice to the novices, intermediates and advanced is to find a source of knowledge and experience you trust and go with it. Keep learning!!

 

[doublebicep]

In bodybuilding pratical experience is a good source of knowledge for what works for *you*. When combined with accumulated knowledge you become empowered to reach youre genetic potential.

Reading and participating in forums such as this is a good source of knowledge but can also be a source for mis-information as well.