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b fold the truth said:
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B fold I already replied to that specific post. You then replied with "it's pointless to debate with you." Now you're simply posting the exact same thing. That is at least mildly humorous.
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This coming from the guy that kept saying a man could squat 1 million pounds and that genetics don't exist.
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Nwinters it's difficult to feel the need to dignify your post with a response, and casualbb already said everything that needs to be said (with a competent reply by you, I might add). But I would like to add a couple points:
1. Who the fuck said I never kept a training journal? Just because I don't post it online I somehow don't track my progress?
2. Shit, maybe I shouldn't "think things through" and thus win your respect! I should instantly come up with simpler answers that are not taxing on your thought process. By the way, correct me if I'm wrong, which is a simpler answer:
1. Training with all different rep ranges, or trying to hit different fiber types, saying you can only grow with low or high rep ranges, all this "fiber type" mumbo jumbo nauseatingling complicates things.
Work on adding weight to the bar, stop paying so much attention to your rep range. MY ANSWER.
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2. You must use singles for this, 2-3 reps for this exercise, and make sure you only use 12 reps for this muscle group, because it's composed of a greater deal of higher twitch fibers. Also, legs only respond to low reps. You need to train to hit each individual fiber type. THEIR ANSWER.
Now, which is the simpler answer? I hope you have some leftover Thanksgiving crow.
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This coming from the guy that kept saying a man could squat 1 million pounds and that genetics don't exist.
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Nwinters it's difficult to feel the need to dignify your post with a response, and casualbb already said everything that needs to be said (with a competent reply by you, I might add). But I would like to add a couple points:
1. Who the fuck said I never kept a training journal? Just because I don't post it online I somehow don't track my progress?
2. Shit, maybe I shouldn't "think things through" and thus win your respect! I should instantly come up with simpler answers that are not taxing on your thought process. By the way, correct me if I'm wrong, which is a simpler answer:
1. Training with all different rep ranges, or trying to hit different fiber types, saying you can only grow with low or high rep ranges, all this "fiber type" mumbo jumbo nauseatingling complicates things.
Work on adding weight to the bar, stop paying so much attention to your rep range. MY ANSWER.
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2. You must use singles for this, 2-3 reps for this exercise, and make sure you only use 12 reps for this muscle group, because it's composed of a greater deal of higher twitch fibers. Also, legs only respond to low reps. You need to train to hit each individual fiber type. THEIR ANSWER.
Now, which is the simpler answer? I hope you have some leftover Thanksgiving crow.
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Originally posted by b fold the truth
Debasser: Don't forget that good arguements can be made for all of your 'myths' as well as your 'facts'. There is no black and white...for either one. I can find examples which would prove both your 'facts' as well as your 'myths'.
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I trust competitive strength athletes.
Read THAT again...I trust competitive strength athletes!!! I read some study that was done by some group of Ph.D.'s and realize that they were done on a bunch of goofballs who attend the local college nearly as much as they do the local bars and fraternity houses and they get amazing results from them.
On the other hand...I read something from Poliquin, Simmons, the guys at Metal Militia, Chad Coy, Willie Wessels, etc...and they are giving me something that they have found to work on people who are COMPETITIVE, are already trained athletes, AND that really works in practice...NOT just in theory.
Hey...I'll take what works for the competitive athlete 8 days a week before I'll take what SHOULD work.
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"There comes a time when you have to stop talking about the weights and you have to wrap your hands around a cold piece of steel and give it Hell."
Terry Long (old friend of mine)
B True
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Originally posted by b fold the truth
Debasser: Don't forget that good arguements can be made for all of your 'myths' as well as your 'facts'. There is no black and white...for either one. I can find examples which would prove both your 'facts' as well as your 'myths'.
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I trust competitive strength athletes.
Read THAT again...I trust competitive strength athletes!!! I read some study that was done by some group of Ph.D.'s and realize that they were done on a bunch of goofballs who attend the local college nearly as much as they do the local bars and fraternity houses and they get amazing results from them.
On the other hand...I read something from Poliquin, Simmons, the guys at Metal Militia, Chad Coy, Willie Wessels, etc...and they are giving me something that they have found to work on people who are COMPETITIVE, are already trained athletes, AND that really works in practice...NOT just in theory.
Hey...I'll take what works for the competitive athlete 8 days a week before I'll take what SHOULD work.
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"There comes a time when you have to stop talking about the weights and you have to wrap your hands around a cold piece of steel and give it Hell."
Terry Long (old friend of mine)
B True
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casualbb said:
Let me just say, I in no way meant to say that WalkingBeast is any of those things, I was merely indicating them as traits NWinter seems to respect. Reading that post blew my mind, because...
If everybody has exactly the same opinions, how is being a member here productive? The whole point is you know something he doesn't know, and he knows something you don't. And then you tell each other, and go on to make better progress.
Variety is the spice of life.
If everybody has exactly the same opinions, how is being a member here productive? The whole point is you know something he doesn't know, and he knows something you don't. And then you tell each other, and go on to make better progress.
Variety is the spice of life.
casualbb said:
ThanX
MataUm said:
To nitpick, that's still a generalization, it's just not a bad one
The reason I said "sweeping" is because many competitive lifters do take pains to stay in a certain weight class. They have to curb calories to that end; therefore, to claim they're eating adequately for bodybuilder-calibre growth, and don't achieve as much growth solely because of their training, is a bit hasty.
I partially agree, though I'd caution against saying "The successful must eat that much because they have to eat that much to succeed." You mentioned arguing in circles awhile back--the above is the very definition of circular reasoning.
I should also note I never said all OLers didn't eat well at all, nor should we look at diet as something so extreme; i.e., "Either you eat 6,000 kcal daily or you only eat the equivalent of a few Twinkies." There's a _huge_ middle ground there, just as there are lifters between Don Knotts' strength and Ed Coan's.
It's really a moot point since I don't claim that diet's the sole reason OLers sometimes have smaller muscles than bodybuilders; it's been some days, but I recall I was the guy who favored the genetics explanation. There are, after all, OLers who *do* have pretty good muscularity, so if they train--and, as you suggested, eat--like their smaller-muscled Olympic cousins, there must be something else to account for said superior development, some other factor at play.
