My High Carb low calorie diet

[MS]

This is a great diet, but this board has been commandeered by the low carb nazis which is why it's not encouraged more......

I don't know how many ways I can and will say this, but if you have good insulin sensitivity then there is no reason to go low carb or high protein/high fat. I have yet to see a study in BBs that show any anabolic/anticatabolic benefit from eating more than 1.7g of protein PER KILO. This equates to around 0.8g per pound. The only benefits of upping the protein is that it helps control appetite, but if you can stick to low cals and high carbs without your appetite taking control, then you will be in better condition than someone on very low carbs in my experience. Glycogen is the backbone of intense weight training and recovery. And I'm 100% with ya on the money saved by eating more oats and less protein powder/chicken.

 

[MohawkMuscle]

hey MS,

Didnt I have a slight argument with you on NJStacks 1/3 1/3 1/3 post a while back ago?

While eating this way I really feel "lighter" I do not feel stuffed and greasy like when I ate eggs and sausage for breakfast. I now eat 1 cup of oats 5 egg whites. Or even a NutriBar. $1.00 meal replacement. Not the best quality but far better then paying $6.00 for your average high protein low carb bars.

I have a baby to feed! heheh...

 

[MS]

?? I dunno, I can't remember....what did we have a difference of opinion about?

I will be the first and most vocal person to say that everyone is different, and some people will thrive on an isocaloric or zero carb diet, while others will get awesome results with a high carb diet. The main points to any diet being successful are that protein intake is adequate (30% of calories is more than adequate for most folks), calories are below maintenance, and you can stick to it. I think it's this last point that causes so much controversy since some people find low carbs easier to stick to, others (like you and I) feel like dog shit without adequate carbs. I've noticed there is a gender difference as well in terms of who is likely to do better on one type of diet compared to another. Post dieting rebound is another issue to consider, and keeping carbs high and fat low avoids high carb rebound!

 

[MohawkMuscle]

since eating this way I already lost 1 inch off my waist in 1 week. Then again I doing 60min of cardio 5 days per week.

The hard thing is trying to keep fat low.10% Since I now eat 2000 calories 20g of fat is hard to limit to. My average fat intake is about 50g.
on average im eating 25%fat.25%protein 50% carbs.
My goal is to keep fat at 10%. Which is really hard. I dont ad anything to my meals. I noticed each meal (5) has on average 9g of fat per meal which ads up to 50g. My nutibar alone has 10g of fat.

But I am doing good so far...

 

[Vageta]

I lost most of my initial weight a few years ago on a high carb/low fat diet. In high school I researched a lot about nutrition and learned a lot about what bodybuilders were doing at the time(diet wise). That was back in the 80's when the low-fat frame of mind was in full swing. When I finally decided to get back in shape I pretty much instituted that type of diet and in 14 weeks I lost 45 pounds. I was anything but low carbing, in fact I ate more carbs then than I ever have since while dieting.

I've tried just about every new type of diet out there and in the end I just think low-carb diets aren't for me, or for a lot of people for that matter. I'm all for carb limiting, but not to the extreme. If you are insulin resistant then you probably will get better results with limited carbs, but if you're not then there is no reason to suffer with this type of diet. I think the problem is that most people assume they are insulin resistant when in fact they aren't, they've just never given a higher carb diet a fighting chance. Or they chose the wrong types of carbs when doing the diet. Funny thing is when I lost all that weight I wasn't always eating the "best carbs". I had a lot of while tortillas, white rice, pasts, etc... and the weight still flew off of me.

My main goal on this board, and has always been, is to stop everyone from recommending low-carb diets to dieting newcomers. If someone is very out of shape then they will get good results on any type of caloric reduction so telling them to go instantly into an extreme low-carb diet is the wrong answer. They need to learn how to eat for the long term, which will no doubt include carbs, so that when the diet is over they can maintain it. If they lose all of their weight on a low-carb diet then what will happen when it's time to go back to a maintenance diet? If they haven't learned how to incorporate carbs into their diet safely then they will be setting themselves up for failure.

Face it, 99% of the population will go back to eating carbs at some point. Most of us will not do low-carb dieting for the long term so we need to learn how to eat normally first, then we can decide if we want to go more extreme. As corny as the body for life book is, it is a good way to learn about basic nutrition and following that type of diet will work for most of us.

 

[makedah]

Just piping up to say I'm enjoying this thread. I've been thinking over these issues myself recently.

 

[Haz]

I lost 30 lbs of lard in 8 weeks on a medium to high carb diet. I started out at 210 lbs @ 5'9". I then cut my calories drastically, from about 3500 to 1800-2000 a day. 50% of calories were from carbs, 35% from protein and 15% from fat. That works out to 240 grams of carbs, 165 grams of protein and 30 grams of fat. I did about 30 minutes of light cardio 3-5 times a week (light jogging, cycling etc.)

My final weight was 180 lbs. My waist went down from about 33-34 inches to 29.5 inches. I lost only half an inch off my arms. I lost very little strength, and once I reached my goal weight I was able to regain my strength without increasing fat by adding a few more calories.

So a medium-high carb, low fat diet can and will work. The most important thing is keeping the calories low. If you do that, the fat will melt off.

 

[nclifter6feet6]

hey mohawk.....you should do like a 3 rep max everyweek just to check how your strength is holding up bro. like every week do a 3 rep max on flat bench or incline bench with good form. this way we all can keep progress with your stregth if it decreases from week to week and what repeption range are you following on your excersises. good luck duuuude

 

[MohawkMuscle]

I will.....

 

[bm2k]

This is a great diet, but this board has been commandeered by the low carb nazis which is why it's not encouraged more......

Here here, down with the low carb nazis