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My High Carb low calorie diet

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I know- I know high carbs are not the way to go... butthe first time I ate this weigh I went from 240lbs - 226lbs. Then I jumped on the Crum diet and went down to 216 but not too much in the way of fat loss. Mostlty lost weight from being depleted. for me.. that diet wasnt right. (Thats not to say its not good!)

My calories are down to 2000 per day with much of the calories comming from carbs.
Usually about 250-300g Carbs.
Protein is lower then usual... 130-170g
fat is 25-50g

I also added cardio 2x per day 5 days per week. 30min each time. I train 3 days per week using HIT style workouts. The workouts are unbeatable, its the diet that I am not acustomed too, but I immediatly felt full and pumped beyond beleif all the time. Something low carbs never did for me. Since my carbs are higher I do not need massive amounts of protein. Also because I am training with low sets I do not really need all that protein. Hell its saving me $60.00 per week on supplements plus steak expenses! More money for my future fina/test cycle! HEHEH (maybe!)

The good thing about this diet is I no longer worry about shoving protein down my throught! Hell!... dieting is hard enough!!!

Also I think 4-5 weeks is long enough to be on a low carb diet. In my humble opinion anyways...

Im already feeling leaner after this week, my weight is up to 221 now...(nice and full) Veins are slowly showing on my upper chest. (in the bathrooms bright lights hehe) Arms looking very vascular! Something I am not used to. Could also be the tanning I am now doing...

Butu so far I like this eating plan.... Weekends are when I eat about 500-1000 calories more.

A few more weeks I should be lean enough to post pics...

I do have a before pic of me at 240 if someone can sow me how to add picture on here...
 
I'm not against high-carb diets, but you should increase your protein intake. Protein spares lean mass, and with a caloric deficit that high you should get at least 1g per lb of bodyweight at the least.
 
I know... but I am training with markus reinhard. When he competed in MM2002 his protein never went past 150g!!

So Im giving this a try.... it also helps lowering calories...
 
im VERY interested on how this will workout for you(your low cal high carb diet). a guy at my gym is ripped and big he says he eats very high carbs low protien and lowfat, i dont know if he was giving me bs or not. but ive always been to scared to try this type of diet. with that amount of carbs your muscles will definitly be full and they may not need as much protien, keep us updated
 
I will...
Im usually nervous about going low in protein also.
 
The thing is, roids will slow a user's amino acid turnover rate. This could lower Reinhard's protein needs. Roids are anticatabolic. At your bodyweight, I would eat that much protein while gaining mass, but not cutting. Well actually it is not a scientific fact or anything so I am excited to hear your results... I just suspect that more protein would only help you.
 
thats true... more protein may help... or it may not...
But My goal is to keep my calories at 2000. While keeping my carbs up at about 250.. if I increase my protein my overall calories will be higher then I want them...

I will post pics of my results on this diet from 240-226lbs. ( If I can figure out how to add a picture)
 
What kind of Carbs? Low or High GI? I would think if it mostly High GI carbs you would have problems with fat gain and muscle loss.. You are doing alot of Cardio too.. What intensity is it at? Do you have a HR Monitor? What zone are you training in? Good Luck, post some measurement stats too...
 
Well My cardio is not fast paced at all...

I take a nice walk outside in the am, then after my workout I do 30min of walking on the treadmill. I usually put it at 2.5 or 3 and just walk nicely. My heart rate usually hits 110-126. If I go any higher I feel as if Im working to hard. I donot want to have my legs getting tired. I usually burn about 400calories per day of just cardio. I could probably do 20 min at high interval training, but I think that would sap to muxh energy from my legs.

My stats as of now...

6ft
221lbs
Delts about 60"
chest 49-50? ( I havent checked)
arms 16.5
waist 36.5
legs 27
calves 17
 
Mohawk...
You and I are about the same size (I'm 6', 240) and hold the same philosophy as you when it comes to dieting!!!
I always catch a verbal beating from the iron warriors who only believe in the high protein approach for everything.
What I like to do is similar to what you do. I drop my cals below 2000 cals p/day and keep a high carb diet. My protein is actually a little lower than yours. Between 100-150 p/day.
I've kept the muscle size on past cutting cycles and my abs look better every time.
I do up the protein quite a bit once I start building. I up my cals to around 4000 p/day and eat about 250g protein p/day.
It's refreshing to hear that someone else believes in the same approach!
Keep us updated!
-Basher
 
Well, I just started this way of eating and trust me I think about it all the time... Is it right? Is it Wrong... but I felll great.. tight full and leaner...

So Im saving my self tons of cash by not having to go through 10lbs of protein per week.
 
Trust me, I know exactly what you're saying...and it's strange! lol!
I'd like to see pics to see if we're anything alike in build.
I think the number one thing that keeps the diet working for me is that I can lift harder. If you're like me than when you drop them carbs too low, your workouts suck ass. I know mine do.
And it's a scientific fact that carbs are "protein sparing" so as long as you are taking a decent amount of protein (.5g per lb of bw)
you won't lose much muscle. I mean, if you're on a diet your body will use up that fat if the muscle tissue is being used.
Anywayz, keep us posted on results. I'm actually starting a diet phase myself (should be down under 230 from 240 in a few weeks).
-Basher
 
I find it hard to convinve myself that I dont need all that exess protein. I mean the mags have pushed high protein since I could remember. I hit maybe 120 today... Im in withdrawls hehehe... My carbs are 250 though... Markus reinhardt says I should drop protein to 100 and increase carbs to 350 and I will get fast results.. hmmm maybe next week... I did good this week on my diet...
 
Regardless if it works or not it's good to see people attempting other things that what is preached. I love to experiment with different diets to see what works which is why I know what I can and can't do to get results. After a couple of weeks of this diet you'll know if it works or not. You could theorize for weeks on "if" something will work, but why not just try it and see for yourself.
 
thanks

I will post pics when im done..
I dropped from 240- 219 Goal is to get ripped! No stopping now...
 
Good for you Mohawk :D

I'm also glad to hear people are doing something different from the low carb fad diet of this era. I see that you are on a pretty high fat intake. This is a good thing. You'll keep your strength and fool your body to burn body fat.

I bet you feel strong and NO HEADACHES. How many people on the low carb diet can say that?!?
 
i have been trying to tell people about this diet : 60% carbs 30% protein 10 % fat (hence the name sixtythirty ten) but nobody on this board listend to me and I got flamed because I was preaching high carbs and not high protein and high fat. anyway, glad to hear some people are using this diet as it is much more healthier for you and it can also get you big and ripped.
 
well my waist is down 1 inch in one week...and lost 3 pounds...
looking very muscular! I am now very excited to see whats in store a few more weeks.
 
This is a great diet, but this board has been commandeered by the low carb nazis which is why it's not encouraged more......

I don't know how many ways I can and will say this, but if you have good insulin sensitivity then there is no reason to go low carb or high protein/high fat. I have yet to see a study in BBs that show any anabolic/anticatabolic benefit from eating more than 1.7g of protein PER KILO. This equates to around 0.8g per pound. The only benefits of upping the protein is that it helps control appetite, but if you can stick to low cals and high carbs without your appetite taking control, then you will be in better condition than someone on very low carbs in my experience. Glycogen is the backbone of intense weight training and recovery. And I'm 100% with ya on the money saved by eating more oats and less protein powder/chicken.
 
hey MS,

Didnt I have a slight argument with you on NJStacks 1/3 1/3 1/3 post a while back ago?:p

While eating this way I really feel "lighter" I do not feel stuffed and greasy like when I ate eggs and sausage for breakfast. I now eat 1 cup of oats 5 egg whites. Or even a NutriBar. $1.00 meal replacement. Not the best quality but far better then paying $6.00 for your average high protein low carb bars.

I have a baby to feed! heheh...
 
?? I dunno, I can't remember....what did we have a difference of opinion about?

I will be the first and most vocal person to say that everyone is different, and some people will thrive on an isocaloric or zero carb diet, while others will get awesome results with a high carb diet. The main points to any diet being successful are that protein intake is adequate (30% of calories is more than adequate for most folks), calories are below maintenance, and you can stick to it. I think it's this last point that causes so much controversy since some people find low carbs easier to stick to, others (like you and I) feel like dog shit without adequate carbs. I've noticed there is a gender difference as well in terms of who is likely to do better on one type of diet compared to another. Post dieting rebound is another issue to consider, and keeping carbs high and fat low avoids high carb rebound!
 
since eating this way I already lost 1 inch off my waist in 1 week. Then again I doing 60min of cardio 5 days per week.

The hard thing is trying to keep fat low.10% Since I now eat 2000 calories 20g of fat is hard to limit to. My average fat intake is about 50g.
on average im eating 25%fat.25%protein 50% carbs.
My goal is to keep fat at 10%. Which is really hard. I dont ad anything to my meals. I noticed each meal (5) has on average 9g of fat per meal which ads up to 50g. My nutibar alone has 10g of fat.

But I am doing good so far...
 
I lost most of my initial weight a few years ago on a high carb/low fat diet. In high school I researched a lot about nutrition and learned a lot about what bodybuilders were doing at the time(diet wise). That was back in the 80's when the low-fat frame of mind was in full swing. When I finally decided to get back in shape I pretty much instituted that type of diet and in 14 weeks I lost 45 pounds. I was anything but low carbing, in fact I ate more carbs then than I ever have since while dieting.

I've tried just about every new type of diet out there and in the end I just think low-carb diets aren't for me, or for a lot of people for that matter. I'm all for carb limiting, but not to the extreme. If you are insulin resistant then you probably will get better results with limited carbs, but if you're not then there is no reason to suffer with this type of diet. I think the problem is that most people assume they are insulin resistant when in fact they aren't, they've just never given a higher carb diet a fighting chance. Or they chose the wrong types of carbs when doing the diet. Funny thing is when I lost all that weight I wasn't always eating the "best carbs". I had a lot of while tortillas, white rice, pasts, etc... and the weight still flew off of me.

My main goal on this board, and has always been, is to stop everyone from recommending low-carb diets to dieting newcomers. If someone is very out of shape then they will get good results on any type of caloric reduction so telling them to go instantly into an extreme low-carb diet is the wrong answer. They need to learn how to eat for the long term, which will no doubt include carbs, so that when the diet is over they can maintain it. If they lose all of their weight on a low-carb diet then what will happen when it's time to go back to a maintenance diet? If they haven't learned how to incorporate carbs into their diet safely then they will be setting themselves up for failure.

Face it, 99% of the population will go back to eating carbs at some point. Most of us will not do low-carb dieting for the long term so we need to learn how to eat normally first, then we can decide if we want to go more extreme. As corny as the body for life book is, it is a good way to learn about basic nutrition and following that type of diet will work for most of us.
 
I lost 30 lbs of lard in 8 weeks on a medium to high carb diet. I started out at 210 lbs @ 5'9". I then cut my calories drastically, from about 3500 to 1800-2000 a day. 50% of calories were from carbs, 35% from protein and 15% from fat. That works out to 240 grams of carbs, 165 grams of protein and 30 grams of fat. I did about 30 minutes of light cardio 3-5 times a week (light jogging, cycling etc.)

My final weight was 180 lbs. My waist went down from about 33-34 inches to 29.5 inches. I lost only half an inch off my arms. I lost very little strength, and once I reached my goal weight I was able to regain my strength without increasing fat by adding a few more calories.

So a medium-high carb, low fat diet can and will work. The most important thing is keeping the calories low. If you do that, the fat will melt off.
 
hey mohawk.....you should do like a 3 rep max everyweek just to check how your strength is holding up bro. like every week do a 3 rep max on flat bench or incline bench with good form. this way we all can keep progress with your stregth if it decreases from week to week and what repeption range are you following on your excersises. good luck duuuude
 
MS said:
This is a great diet, but this board has been commandeered by the low carb nazis which is why it's not encouraged more......
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Here here, down with the low carb nazis ;)
 
I think low carbs has its place... exspecially when you want to remove water from in between the skin and muscle...that works well...
 
" I think low carbs has its place... exspecially when you want to remove water from in between the skin and muscle...that works well.."

Amen. I use low carb regularly for this. 2 days without carbs and I drop 4 kg of water...presto. The nice thing is that I don't even have to enter ketosis to do this. In fact I won't bother doing a 'weigh in' for LBM calculations without low carbing for a couple of days. Otherwise water weight screws up initial and final measures.
 
MohawkMuscle - are you using Flax Oil at all?
If not, then is it to avoid the fat cals?
 
No I donot take flax seed oil...

Im trying to eliminate most fats from my diet... even though they are healthy fats...

Im trying to keep it down to 10-15% or 25g per day but Im always creeping up at 50g per day...

This is only for a few weeks untill I am in the shape I want to be...
then I will up my fat and protein a bit
 
update

I am increasing my fat to 30% protein 30% and carbs 40%

I feel fuller and stronder eating that way.
 
Its not about how many carbs you take its when you take em. You only need em large amounts at breakfast and after training. At all other times you only need a trickle. This is the key to getting lean and big at the same time.

To someone else. my 200 grams of carbs a day sounds like a lot. But 80% of this is taken at Breakfast and after training, the rest of the day is just veges and meat. So where does this fit in?

People it ain't cut and dry as low carb and high carb. Eat smart and manipulate your hormonal balance with food!

Just saying I 'm now doing a high carb/ low fat diet is kinda prodding around blind. Understand how the body works first!
 
CoolColJ said:
Its not about how many carbs you take its when you take em. You only need em large amounts at breakfast and after training. At all other times you only need a trickle. This is the key to getting lean and big at the same time.

To someone else. my 200 grams of carbs a day sounds like a lot. But 80% of this is taken at Breakfast and after training, the rest of the day is just veges and meat. So where does this fit in?

People it ain't cut and dry as low carb and high carb. Eat smart and manipulate your hormonal balance with food!

Just saying I 'm now doing a high carb/ low fat diet is kinda prodding around blind. Understand how the body works first!
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i have to agree with you here!

I have learned it's only necessary to hit the 3 hour window with carbs right after training.

High GI in the morning
High GI right after training
Low GI in next meal after training.

Fats + protein and veggies for the rest of the day.
That's

I ran a huge bulking diet these last few weeks where i was eating 600 grams of carbs a day spaced out etc... Yes i gained size, but also a small gut too. I would rather keep my self lean and build muscle patiently.
 
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