My Friend's Back Was Crushed By A Press 2 Years ago, he wants to do a cycle

[Frackal]

To help strengthen the weakened and damaged muscles in his back....this guy is fucking miserable..he cant even function without serious painkillers, cant sleep and shit, pretty much doesnt give a fuck.....so I am thinking he should at least give it a shot, I know a cycle of winny/deca, my 1st (with test) helped my back heal....So I was thinking something along the lines of

10 weeks

250mg of sust a week
400mg of deca a week
25mg of winny daily

I'll make sure he's using the right protectants, specially for liver and cholesterol

Im also going to have him get liver tests becuase he's been on opiate based painkillers for a long time'

What do you guys think? He cant afford GH

 

[Canuck4]

Id take out the winny, it aint gonna help at all in his situation.
Just Deca and test should be enough.

 

[Frackal]

Winny strenghtens connective tissue

 

[Twitched]

winny reduces synovial fluid. cut out the winny for sure.

test/deca + MSM + Glucostimine should work well.

 

[Canuck4]

Winny strenghtens connective tissue

True, but he might get joint pains etc...
That could make his condition even worst if he's not carefull and decides to go heavy.

 

[Frackal]

Hes going to be barely training at all, just very light, hes not a bb, but does have very good genetics

 

[jdabs]

I agree 100% I would not let him take the Winny at all.

Not knowing all of the info, I would say that the damage caused by the press not only screwed up his back and muscles, but it causes his body to put out many other chemicals in alot higher doses than the body is used to, let alone all the meds and painkillers he's been using. That being said and the fact that I'm sure Depression is a big issue with this person, I would not do any type of gear that is liver toxic, or likely to cause liver/kidney problems.

He will need to be under a very scrutinized lab schedule to make sure it's not messing him up. I'm not just talking about Liver test, I would have his PH, Cholest, LH, and potasium levels checked at the very minimum.

I guess what I'm saying is that the fact that most people in your friends state have a serious level of depression which causes the body and it's organs to do many strange things that are typically not likely to happen under normal circumstances. Depression sucks, and many people believe that maybe not directly but indirectly Depression has a hand in the deaths of 70% of people that die prior to their expected life span.

There are now studies attempting to prove that people that are depressed have a higher chance of being diagnosed with Cancer....

Good luck,

Jdabs

 

[ROLGOR]

Not that I have a clue but what about GH?

 

[Frackal]

He cant afford it

 

[ROLGOR]

I'm sorry I missed the last part of your post. Is it agreed that GH would be best if he had the cash?

 

[Baby Gorilla]

Hope this helps....

What is his doctor doing to REGENERATE his injured back?

I did physical therapy after a back injury. I went on collodial mineral therapy (search for Mineral Rich on Google), and it made a BIG improvement.

I got into bodybuilding and dropped the PT as it was made redundant by my training.

I don't use painkillers, but my injury wasn't too serious either. Back's as healed as it can get, but you gotta have the right materials (including trace minerals) to rebuild many parts of the body.

Sounds to me like your friend's doc's been jucing him up with addictive drugs rather than trying more proven holistic remedies to promote as much healing as his body can do.

 

[mike1107]

don't let him touch winny,his back is sore and he doesn't need the joints pain due too winny...if he only could afford GH that'd be great for his recovery I suppose (depend on the exact nature of his back problem).

 

[Paulos]

Not to get off the subject...but what can you take to Protect for Cholesterol?

Just going on what Frackal said in his first post.

 

[BigAndy69]

How about a long low dose cycle? Something along the lines of 200mg of Deca and 300mg of test enathante

 

[Lumberg]

Def. leave out the winny. Given that I think a cycle would be a good idea. But he should definitely do PT and/or training on a very rigorous schedule.

Not sure how the depression/possible opiate dependency will factor in to this; I think he needs to talk to his doc and get on Wellbutrin as well. It has been shown to assist with opiate dependency and decrease the perception of pain. The psychiatric side needs to be dealt with just as aggressively as the underlying problem (back injury).

JC

 

[SofaGeorge]

Frackal, this is exactly why I did my first cycle.

I had a leg injury from a martial arts class... a bad one. My leg didn't recover for a couple years... so fianlly I looked at a juice cycle to help with recovery. (That was a big part of what juice used to be used for; although, you NEVER hear about it anymore. Steroids for injury recovery was a common practice.)

The stack of choice then was deca and d-bol, but I'm sure deca and test would be okay. You might, though, want to consider throwing in the d-ball just to get the old time stack.

There was one VERY interesting study on this that stress - recovery is 50% better in weightlifting athletes. Your friend will probably get some recovery without lifting weights, but he will get MUCH better results if he lifts.