My first proper cycle

[Trueman]

This is what I propose to do. Bear in mind, im 20 yrs old, 190 lbs 6' tall at about 10-12% bf.

I wanna do:

200 mg's/week Deca.
250 mg's/week Test (Enth),
20 mgs Dbol/day

I want to do this for 7 weeks. What do you guys think?

 

[ultragainz]

its a tiny cycle...your not a 10 year old girl, right?.....make the d-bol 8 weeks.....test and deca 10-12 weeks....can give you good gainz on your first cycle...i like 200mgs of deca still gets me gainz

 

[Trueman]

I wanna gain around 12-14 lbs, thats all. Is this likely with the cycle i've proposed? The reason i'm keeping it small is cos its my first cycle and i really dont want too many sides.

 

[ultragainz]

eat good train good and rest good..you should get the gainz you need...i would also add some supps in like creatine and glutmine...10-20 grams each...other then that your set...oh yea dont forget clomid after the cycle...

 

[ultragainz]

deca for 10 weeks test for 12 weeks...take 2 weeks off then hit clomid...100-50mgs of clomid is good for 3-4 weeks...try this if you can...day1 300mgs of clomid...next ten days 100mgs of clomid...last ten days 50mgs of clomid....3 weeks total.21 days...keep training good and resting also keep eating good after the cycle too

 

[ultragainz]

and always drink 1-2 gallons of water a day...

 

[jstrong20]

I agree with ultragainz cycle!

 

[MrSkinny]

I would agree maybe with Ultra on a few things, one of them not being the length of time being on clomid. Clomid (anabolicreview.com and goto coming off steroids) for a light cycle is not used the same as for a heavy duty cycle. I may not have thousands of posts but I have over 100 hrs logged into this site and anabolicreview.com. I've also done two VERY successful cycles. Alot of people on this site are into being HUGE and offer advice that they would offer themselves. This is the one problem I've had with asking for proper advice. You're 20, don't want to get alot of sides. Therefore Deca at 200 mg is fine although if you have the ablility to get more then I'd run 300mg week 3,4,5 then taper off again. If you can't get more deca then stick with the 200mg. For a novice that's fine. I wouldn't say take the test unless you are looking at putting on more than 12-14 lbs. The on;y problem I see with test and d-bol is that the gains you can keep even with the use of clomid is MINIMAL. Clomid should (in my opinion) 100mg for seven days and 50mg for another 3-7days. This drug is very important if you plan to keep the gains post cycle. Also the half-life of deca is roughly three weeks so don't begin clomid therapy until three weeks after you're last injection. If you can get clen take clen, two weeks on two weeks off substituting with hydroxycut or another ECA stack. This will fight the cortisone buildup in the body.
If you upped the dosage of deca to 200-400 and ate like a champ you'd problably be able to pack on twelve pounds quite easily. My first proper cycle (everything was legit and my eating/training was right on the money) 15mg of winny tabs for 4weeks and deca for 8 weeks. 2800mg over 8weeks. I gained 25lbs of lean muscle. So do the math. Cut the dose a great deal and you should have no problems gaining what it is you want. Watch out for the clomid at high doses, for it can give you gyno.
Maybe some other people, even mods won't agree with my advice, but I'm assuming that you don't want what they want and are simply a Leisure body builder that's young and just wants to gain some good muscle for A) intimidation B)Girls C)Beach D)Sports.
You don't need dosages required to get to your goal since you aren't probably a Pro BB. My stats when I juiced last deca/winny 6"2 228lbs at 11% BF. Off the roids I'm 208lbs at 13.5-14%BF
Always remember most young girls don't like huge guys, or guys that retain too much water. Leave the water retention for the girls that are on there period.
* SORRY IF I'VE OFFENDED ANYONE

 

[ultragainz]

so you think 3 weeks of clomid after cycle is not good?...clomid after cycle only so i would do it for 3 weeks

 

[MrSkinny]

I think clomid is great although for a 20 year old novice.........He's not dropping 100mg of sus a week or 50mg of dbol for 6 weeks. He's a kid trying to get a little size. Not a big deal with low doses. And remember kid(trueman) Whatever you gain on test, you'll not be able to maintain,pretty much! Kid do some researcha dn SPECIFY your goals and why you are doing AS. If you want a musclehead body then ask for that type of advice. I just wanted to help you out.
ultragainz, I'm not knocking your advice for everyone has there own, I think we are simply on another page. I just don't like seeing kids abusing AS .

 

[Trueman]

thanks MrSkinney. You seem to have identified what I want. Based on this can any of you suggest a good mild cycle with minimal sides that will allow me to put on around a stone (14 lbs) in muscle mass that i will be able to keep post cycle.

 

[MrSkinny]

What I would do since me and you are definately on the same page is....... Have you cycled before? If so what did you take? At what doses? It is hard for me to answer your question when I don't know your background. If your receptors are clean then your body will respond very well to low doses. If you are a beginner then:
deca at
200 mg week 1-2
300 mg week 3-4
400 mg week 5-6
200 mg week 7
100 mg week 8
You could stack it with winstrol-v If you don't mind frequent injections. The problem with these two drugs is that they are frequently faked. Winny is easy though 50mg EOD or 25mg ED would be great. Alot of people say to run winny for six weeks I would run it for 8 weeks or run it week 2-8. Make sure to find pictures of both Supplements to be able to pick legit shit out for yourself. Although some are so good it's hard to tell. Alot of people sell bunk shit to young guys because they know theres not much they can do about it!! So be aware!
Another good stack is EQ and I think and a have seen plenty of buddies do really well with a EQ/ Winny stack. PM me, I can talk to you privately about some other stuff. But EQ is good at 200-300mg a week for 8 weeks stacked with Winny at 50mg EOD. Great stack basically side free unless you are one of the unlucky ones. Clomid is a must though for any cycle since I am assuming that you don't want to continue cycling due to loss of strength and muscle. Can you get clomid?? Is money a concern for you? Don't be cheap and try to cut corners on a cycle or you'll pay in the longrun. Test is cheap which is why it is the BASE OF ANY CYCLE. Anybody can afford it! It is rarely faked, and readily available. By the way EQ is great for keeping gains! Let me know your history and remember PM me so I can take care of you. Once I know I can give you a great cycle that it exactly what you are looking for so long as your training and diet are on target....
Alright Trueman I'll receive you PM soon I take it?????
By the way where do you live?? I live in Beverly Hills. Origonally I'm from Toronto.

 

[ultragainz]

abusing AS?...when did i tell him to abuse AS?....i told him to make his cycle 8-10 weeks long at that dose so i guess 8-10 week cycles are abusing?....i said take clomid after a cycle you said its abusing?...is clomid a AS???...20mgs of d-bol 250mgs of test and 200mgs of deca is not abusing...i still think deca can effect his HPTA maybe if he makes the cycle like 10-12 weeks...would still hit clomid at 50-100mgs for at least 2 weeks or so...

 

[MrSkinny]

Ultra
I didn't say your cycle was abusing. I simply think it would be abusing AS if a 20 year old KID took all of this shit. As for the clomid, clomid is great, I don't think I agree with your dosing, but me and you are two different people with two different sets of goals. Alot of people on this site are like me and trueman. Guys just looking to get fit. (Probably not the best reason to use AS)
Clomid does affect you test levels by I think.......300% although I may be mistaking the numbers with HCG. Both can give you bitch tits so why chance it. He's not going to look great on the beach with a nice case of gyno.
To end this little novel of mine I'd like to say that no two memebers will ever agree with anything all the time. I don't give very much advice on the site but I spend ALOT of time researching, talking to doctors etc. And I have two highly successful cycles under my belt. Hads no sides except for a Highly Vilatile temper (which is not that great to start off)
**Sorry again if I stepped on your toes, didn't mean to.

 

[MrSkinny]

Ultra
By the way I did tell the kid to take clomid and let him know it was very important to get his endogenous teste levels bsck to normal. I simply told him that 100mg first week and 50mg for another should suffice for the AS that he will probably use.

 

[ultragainz]

you didnt step on my toes bro..lol, iam not mad..just saying i would still hit clomid for at least 2 weeks...but if he dont want to its fine with me