My Dermacrine experience

[needtogetaas]

Yes, if you apply it to the shoulders it would convert more DHEA to test, so that would temporarily lower your LH and FSH because of they hypothalamus sensing the higher test levels….

The idea is that you limit the conversion of DHEA to test, and allow the DHEA and preg to exert their positive effects on sTAR, GH, IGF-1, ect… all of which indirectly can help regain hormonal function.

The new Derma Sustain does not have any of the pro-hormones and potential suppressive effects on the hypothalamus, and it has a higher concentration of Phyto-AI complex… so it will cause a stronger release of LH an FSH which will increase the size and function of your testes… getting you back inline.

-Pp

sounds good.

 

[Heartolearn22]

Hey folks... yep, it's another Derma thread, but I promised I would give my honest opinion of the product, good or bad, just as I have done with other board-sponsored products in the past. So here it is...

My recent cycle was as follows:
Wks 1-9 Test Enth (Frontloaded with 1g, then went down to 750mg/wk)
Wks 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
Wks 6-9 NPP 200mg /wk
Wks 1-10 Proviron 50mg /wk
Wks 1-11 Aromasin 12.5mg ED
HCG (Started on same day as last test shot at 500iu ED for 10 days)
IGF at 80mcg ED for 4 weeks (during PCT)

Some background: I have about 8-9 cycles under my belt, I'm 32yrs old. I've tried every variation of PCT you can think of, including Nolva, Clomid, and HCG. None of them have ever been satisfactory. I hated Nolva, it didn't work for me and it further suppressed my libido. Clomid worked a little better, but the sides (emotional stuff, floaters, abdominal pain) were intolerable. I've included Proviron and low-dose dbol in some of my PCT's... they were a temporary fix, but crash was inevitable after PCT was finished. I've tried every OTC product you can think of, particularly those aimed at increasing libido or helping natural test recovery. Most were bunk, some were temporary fixes at best.

As stated above, I ran HCG for 10 days while waiting for the test to clear my system (active life of test is 10-14 days). Several days after my last HCG shot (active life is 3-5 days), I was instructed to start Dermacrine (original formula). I also should mentioned that I've been running Tribex Gold (tribulus) since starting PCT. Tribulus has never impressed me, even high-potency stuff from Europe, but I've had several people swear by this brand, so I decided to try. My impression of Tribex: it seems to help a little with libido, nothing stellar.

So here's my impression of Dermacrine. Today marks Day 7 of Dermacrine use, which is a little over 3 weeks after my last test shot. Tyipcally I have always crashed at this point in past PCT's. I actually felt a slight jolt of energy and focus from the very start. Libido seemed to elevate too. Workouts were still strong. Yesterday and today, I've been a little sluggish (probably from lack of sleep... IGF also makes me feel that way too)... my workout last night wasn't so hot. I don't feel "crashed", just sluggish... but libido is still high(er). I'm hoping I will get back on track with some extra sleep. I like the fact that I'm not totally crashed (at least not yet anyway) and that I have any libido. Another big plus: NO SIDE EFFECTS!

So I will run the original Derma for 1 more week (2 weeks total), then switch over to the new Sustain version (as instructed) for 4 more weeks. Then I will get bloodwork shortly after that. My bloodwork after PCT always comes out pretty pitiful so I will have something to compare to. I should also mention that I paid for both bottles, so no one is putting me up to this.

So far so good, I will update again at the end of Week 2. Be glad to answer any questions.

not shore if I want to try this yet but I will be watching your thread.

 

[njmuscleguy]

WEEK 2 UPDATE!

Hey folks... well, I've just wrapped up 2 weeks of using the original formula of Dermacrine... here's a quick summary of my PCT:

Last test enth shot was March 15th
HCG (500iu ED for 10 days) - started March 19th, finished March 28th
Took aromasin (12.5mg ED) until 5 days after last HCG shot
Started Dermacrine March 29th

So in the 2nd week, energy seemed to come back up for the most part - I think lack of sleep was the problem... my energy at the gym is ok... not as great as while "on", obviously, but not bad either... strength has gone down only slightly. Biggest thing I've noticed is libido is pretty damn good, especially given that I'm a month into PCT and given my horrible experiences in the past with PCT. I get morning wood more often than not.

I have gotten alot of acne too.... now I've been applying derma to my legs, but from what I understand, it could cause acne flare-up.

Also to consider, I've been taking Tribex Gold (tribulus) and ZMA at night. I've tried these products in the past with limited success, but I believe they're helping to an extent right now. They may also be contributing to the acne.

So I'm on Day 1 of Dermacrine Sustain. I'll be rotating application spots, since I don't have to worry about DHEA conversion. I'm hoping libido still stays as high as it's been, and I'm hoping my energy/strength levels stay where they are too.

I'll update again at Week 3.

Any questions or comments are welcome!

nj

 

[Stallbro]

WEEK 2 UPDATE!

Hey folks... well, I've just wrapped up 2 weeks of using the original formula of Dermacrine... here's a quick summary of my PCT:

Last test enth shot was March 15th
HCG (500iu ED for 10 days) - started March 19th, finished March 28th
Took aromasin (12.5mg ED) until 5 days after last HCG shot
Started Dermacrine March 29th

So in the 2nd week, energy seemed to come back up for the most part - I think lack of sleep was the problem... my energy at the gym is ok... not as great as while "on", obviously, but not bad either... strength has gone down only slightly. Biggest thing I've noticed is libido is pretty damn good, especially given that I'm a month into PCT and given my horrible experiences in the past with PCT. I get morning wood more often than not.

I have gotten alot of acne too.... now I've been applying derma to my legs, but from what I understand, it could cause acne flare-up.

Also to consider, I've been taking Tribex Gold (tribulus) and ZMA at night. I've tried these products in the past with limited success, but I believe they're helping to an extent right now. They may also be contributing to the acne.

So I'm on Day 1 of Dermacrine Sustain. I'll be rotating application spots, since I don't have to worry about DHEA conversion. I'm hoping libido still stays as high as it's been, and I'm hoping my energy/strength levels stay where they are too.

I'll update again at Week 3.

Any questions or comments are welcome!

nj

Thanks for sharing. I finished the original Derma maybe 10 days ago and I never had acne issues so I would look to other causes.

 

[njmuscleguy]

well, I interpret acne as something "hormonal" going on... I NEVER get acne during any cycle, no matter what I do.... the minute I start PCT, especially with HCG, I start to break out on my back like crazy and it lasts a couple months. I understand tribulus can cause acne... not sure about ZMA, but it's proported to help increase natty test levels, so that in turn could cause acne... by the same token, I'd imagine Dermacrine would cause acne... just my guess... It's not a big deal to me actually... I'd rather feel good and recover and deal with the acne

 

[needtogetaas]

Thanks for sharing. I finished the original Derma maybe 10 days ago and I never had acne issues so I would look to other causes.

I know of a few others that said they got some level of acne from the derma but
I think that the fact that they just came off a cycle should be factored in....I always get acne when I come of a cycle but not during.

 

[needtogetaas]

things still going good bro.

 

[Stryker1992]

well, I interpret acne as something "hormonal" going on... I NEVER get acne during any cycle, no matter what I do.... the minute I start PCT, especially with HCG, I start to break out on my back like crazy and it lasts a couple months. I understand tribulus can cause acne... not sure about ZMA, but it's proported to help increase natty test levels, so that in turn could cause acne... by the same token, I'd imagine Dermacrine would cause acne... just my guess... It's not a big deal to me actually... I'd rather feel good and recover and deal with the acne

Hey bro, I have got the sustain, I am interested in how it is going for you????

 

[njmuscleguy]

Hey bro, I have got the sustain, I am interested in how it is going for you????

Well, today is Day 4 on Sustain, after having been on the original Derma for 2 weeks.... I don't seem to have the same "kick" that I got from the original, which makes sense because there is no DHEA nor pregnenolone in Sustain. But at the same time, no crash, no drastic drop in energy or strength... acne is actually subsiding! All in all, PCT seems to be coming along nicely! Libido is still pretty good, still get morning wood (some days).... my boys also hang nicely most of the time, which wasn't the case for previous pct's.

Have you started yours yet? Let me (us) know how that works for you.

I hate to make any hasty decisions just yet, I will give my final opinions after having done bloodwork a while after finishing Derma.

 

[needtogetaas]

Well, today is Day 4 on Sustain, after having been on the original Derma for 2 weeks.... I don't seem to have the same "kick" that I got from the original, which makes sense because there is no DHEA nor pregnenolone in Sustain. But at the same time, no crash, no drastic drop in energy or strength... acne is actually subsiding! All in all, PCT seems to be coming along nicely! Libido is still pretty good, still get morning wood (some days).... my boys also hang nicely most of the time, which wasn't the case for previous pct's.

Have you started yours yet? Let me (us) know how that works for you.

I hate to make any hasty decisions just yet, I will give my final opinions after having done bloodwork a while after finishing Derma.

cool