My current cycle

[DaveTSI]

who has experience with eq prop? id like to use it in a cycle but im scared of the pain everyone talks about. how is it? what does it compare to?

 

[mr.cuts]

You come on here like some Internet Gear Guru and get into a pissing contest with someone like Needsize??


Go re-read your fucking post Ass Nozzle:



Listen, Needsize has more mass than me, no question. However, mass isn't everything in terms of achieving a impressive build. Needsize probably thinks a guy like Frank Zane in his prime wouldn't be shit compared to him. Frank Zane was in his peak condition at 185lbs at 5'9''. All Needsize would think is that he dwarfs the guy because he outweighs him by 65lbs! Needsize, do you think that your build is superior to Frank Zanes???






^^^That contributes in what way to this particular discussion??


You have two choices:


1 - Chill the fuck out.

2 - I make you.


Say another word and see how fast it happens.

Ok Skippy, no problem! I can see that your position as a mod on a internet message board has clearly gotten to your head. I guess we should all bow down to you.

 

[needsize]

Listen, Needsize has more mass than me, no question. However, mass isn't everything in terms of achieving a impressive build. Needsize probably thinks a guy like Frank Zane in his prime wouldn't be shit compared to him. Frank Zane was in his peak condition at 185lbs at 5'9''. All Needsize would think is that he dwarfs the guy because he outweighs him by 65lbs! Needsize, do you think that your build is superior to Frank Zanes???

you're really not very bright are you, I have never made a post anywhere at any time saying anything close to that. Bodybuilding isnt just about mass, its about symmetry and balance as well, and thats where my effort goes. And we arent talking about zane or anyone else here, we are talking about you and me, since its me you seem to have the problem with. So mass aside, lets see your pics that shows this great symmetry of yours. But we wont see any pics, like I said before, because you are an internet nobody, quick to get into it with others, but nothing physically to back up your mouth. If you can post pics that show you leaner than me, or with better symmetry, then I will be your EF bitch, but until you so, every post you make just proves that you are mine!!!

 

[patsfan1379]

you're really not very bright are you, I have never made a post anywhere at any time saying anything close to that. Bodybuilding isnt just about mass, its about symmetry and balance as well, and thats where my effort goes. And we arent talking about zane or anyone else here, we are talking about you and me, since its me you seem to have the problem with. So mass aside, lets see your pics that shows this great symmetry of yours. But we wont see any pics, like I said before, because you are an internet nobody, quick to get into it with others, but nothing physically to back up your mouth. If you can post pics that show you leaner than me, or with better symmetry, then I will be your EF bitch, but until you so, every post you make just proves that you are mine!!!

and the pwnage of the day award goes to needsize...

 

[BigAndy69]

I must be missing something here. If you did, say 300mg of test as a cycle having naturally got to a freakish weight, surely this is going to make you grow? This produces far more test than is naturally found in the bloodstream.-surely this would be far more effective than any supplement that a natural bodybuilder could ever take?
I really am no expert, as I have only done 2 cycles (my expertise lies in nutrition and exercise physiology), but the reason for me starting steroids, was that I lost 35.5lbs! During my wife's pregnancy, I quit training, eat crappily and had lots of stress (run 2 jobs) associated with the upcoming birth of my beatiful son -I went from a natural 220lb to 185lb! - had to do something about it when I had time (depressing to be that small) - anyway, I had an amazing response of gear. My first cycle was 30mg of dbol/day - gained 22lbs, with my second cycle being 250sust e3d and 200 decca e3d (with 30mg dbol weeks 1-4) - probably a bit excessive for a second cycle, but gained another 28lbs! (these gains were way beyond any expectations I had) - I'm now 235lb with 16% bf - happy! (won't do a dose of gear higher than this)
I'm sure that if I did a low dose cycle when I was 220lb naturally (5 10"), I would have grown.

In no way was I having a go at big Andy, and I'm certainly not a juice Nazi!good luck to him (I'm new here, but everyone holds Big A in very high respect,so there must be a reason for that). Anyone can use as much or as little as they like, its up to them - this is just my opinion.

I mean no disrespect to you, you seem to be genuine, but here is my response.

Your second cycle actually comes out to about 1260mg weekly. This is your second cycle. I can't remember my second cycle.

You are also using a fairly high dose of Test.

Also, you are using VERY long esters. How does this matter? Well for one, long esters AS like Sust and deca build up in your system for weeks. They are technically meant for injection every 2-4 weeks. Basically, the drug levels build up fast.

With short esters, there's a very small build up. So what you are shooting is what you are getting more or less.

Did you know that at 500mg of Deca can build up to 1300mg/week after a few weeks? Sust is about the same.

So, you cannot compare mg for mg short esters to long esters (especially Sustanon and Deca)

"300mg of test as a cycle having naturally got to a freakish weight, surely this is going to make you grow? "

The answer is NO. Plain and simple. I use to think the same way but the answer is no. It might give him minor gains, but it would not be worth the side effects.

 

[BigAndy69]

Also, Bigandy69 correlated hardcore bodybuilding with high dose cycles. He basically stated that if you are using 200-300mg of gear per week you are not a hardcore bodybuilder. Why don't you tell that to guys like Bill Pearl, Larry Scott, Zane,etc. These guys were known to use very low dosages. In my opinion hardcore bodybuilding has more to do with how you train and diet than how much gear you can stick in your ass.

How the fuck do you know what these guys were using? Where they honest with themselves and others? Also, why are you comparing average lifters to genetic freaks like these guys?

No I don't correlate hardcore bodybuilding with high doses.

I'm sick of seeing these punk ass little wannabes who take steroids to gain a few lbs or look a little better. Why are they using juice in the first place? They could achieve the same with natural training/dedication. Instead, these little punks(such as yourself btw) use these ridiculous small amounts of steroids because they are affraid to get too big. Why are they using steroids if they are affraid to get big? The answer is simple, they are just looking for an easy way out. A way to gain a few lbs so they can look good at the club for a couple of months and then they go back to not training.

When they decide to get back to training, they lift for a week or so and add a ml of deca or sust a week.

Worst of all, these little punks actually look down on bbers who use steroids the way they should be used: to look exceptional, out of this world, freakish...not to gain a few lbs.

 

[mr.cuts]

How the fuck do you know what these guys were using? Where they honest with themselves and others? Also, why are you comparing average lifters to genetic freaks like these guys?

No I don't correlate hardcore bodybuilding with high doses.

I'm sick of seeing these punk ass little wannabes who take steroids to gain a few lbs or look a little better. Why are they using juice in the first place? They could achieve the same with natural training/dedication. Instead, these little punks(such as yourself btw) use these ridiculous small amounts of steroids because they are affraid to get too big. Why are they using steroids if they are affraid to get big? The answer is simple, they are just looking for an easy way out. A way to gain a few lbs so they can look good at the club for a couple of months and then they go back to not training.

When they decide to get back to training, they lift for a week or so and add a ml of deca or sust a week.

Worst of all, these little punks actually look down on bbers who use steroids the way they should be used: to look exceptional, out of this world, freakish...not to gain a few lbs.

You do know that you just totally contradicted yourself in regards to your post in response to sportscientist. You indicated that long esters build up over time. Using your example of 400mg of deca per week could result in having blood levels of 1300mg, weeks down the line. Wouldn't this be the same for using 250-300mg of long acting test per week??? According to your theory, by using 250mg of long acting test per week, blood levels could show a much higher reading as time goes by. For example, 10 weeks into a 250mg test per week cycle, could produce a blood concentration 2-3 times the weekly dose. Do you really think that you can compare someone who uses 250mg of test per week to a natural athlete? Your argument regarding someone who uses low doses might as well be natural, makes absolutely no sense!

 

[The Shadow]

. You indicated that long esters build up over time. Using your example of 400mg of deca per week could result in having blood levels of 1300mg, weeks down the line. Wouldn't this be the same for using 250-300mg of long acting test per week???

......that is EXACTLY what he stated using Sustanon as the example:

Also, you are using VERY long esters. How does this matter? Well for one, long esters AS like Sust and deca build up in your system for weeks. They are technically meant for injection every 2-4 weeks. Basically, the drug levels build up fast.

Try READING the post before you comment on it.


Idiot.

 

[mr.cuts]

How the fuck do you know what these guys were using? Where they honest with themselves and others? Also, why are you comparing average lifters to genetic freaks like these guys?

No I don't correlate hardcore bodybuilding with high doses.

I'm sick of seeing these punk ass little wannabes who take steroids to gain a few lbs or look a little better. Why are they using juice in the first place? They could achieve the same with natural training/dedication. Instead, these little punks(such as yourself btw) use these ridiculous small amounts of steroids because they are affraid to get too big. Why are they using steroids if they are affraid to get big? The answer is simple, they are just looking for an easy way out. A way to gain a few lbs so they can look good at the club for a couple of months and then they go back to not training.

When they decide to get back to training, they lift for a week or so and add a ml of deca or sust a week.

Worst of all, these little punks actually look down on bbers who use steroids the way they should be used: to look exceptional, out of this world, freakish...not to gain a few lbs.

This coming from a guy who admitted that he blew up to a fat and bloated 290lbs at 5'8'', due to the fact that he quit training in order to focus on partying hard!

 

[mr.cuts]

......that is EXACTLY what he stated using Sustanon as the example.


Try READING the post before you comment on it.


Idiot.

So, you are saying that test enanthate doesn't lead to increase blood levels over time?? This is only specific to sust?!? LOL!