Mr.X,Ulther,Bowtech, Radar, please help with pct

[bigmouth2006]

There is no need to run an AI the whole cycle. The layout I gave is more then enough for him.

why not just run the l-dex at .5 for 1-4 and not even use the nolvadex the l-dex is better than nolv.

 

[Mr.X]

why not just run the l-dex at .5 for 1-4 and not even use the nolvadex the l-dex is better than nolv.

It's not a cycle, for PCT he needs a SERM like nolvadex, not an AI. What you say would hold true for his cycle (time on).

 

[steelmass]

Active half-life of Deca-durabolin is 14 days. So there are some things to consider, but if he takes his 4-6 weeks off, he should do a proper PCT.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2864156&dopt=Abstract

The decanoate produces an early high peak which occurs during the first day and then declines with an apparent half-life ranging from 6.8 to 9.6 days following a single injection. After multiple injections of fluphenazine decanoate, however, the mean apparent half-life increases to 14.3 days, and the time to reach steady-state is 4 to 6 weeks.

Ok, you are correct on the active half-life. I am slightly confused on the scientific aspect. I took Chem 1 and 2 in college but thats about as far as my biochem goes.

Correct me at any time, I am not trying to argue - just learn. The decanoate ester has the same half life regardless of the chemical it is attached to so DecaD's half-life can be approximated by fluphenazine decanoates - correct? So if the half-life after multiple injections is 14.3 days then does that mean that you will have a dose that won't effect your test levels after 14 days or that you will have half the amount in your body as you did 14 days ago.

How much of a drug (say Deca) will suppress you? Is it when your levels dip under 50 ? Under 25? 10 ? www.roidcalc.com shows the active mg/day. 14 days after your 6th week @ 500mg once weekly you have a blood concentration level of 24 - assuming you stop at week 6 inject. Is that suppressive? 21 days after your 6th inject you have 12. Is that suppressive? Thanks.

 

[AhMadKooL]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2864156&dopt=Abstract

The decanoate produces an early high peak which occurs during the first day and then declines with an apparent half-life ranging from 6.8 to 9.6 days following a single injection. After multiple injections of fluphenazine decanoate, however, the mean apparent half-life increases to 14.3 days, and the time to reach steady-state is 4 to 6 weeks.

Ok, you are correct on the active half-life. I am slightly confused on the scientific aspect. I took Chem 1 and 2 in college but thats about as far as my biochem goes.

Correct me at any time, I am not trying to argue - just learn. The decanoate ester has the same half life regardless of the chemical it is attached to so DecaD's half-life can be approximated by fluphenazine decanoates - correct? So if the half-life after multiple injections is 14.3 days then does that mean that you will have a dose that won't effect your test levels after 14 days or that you will have half the amount in your body as you did 14 days ago.

How much of a drug (say Deca) will suppress you? Is it when your levels dip under 50 ? Under 25? 10 ? www.roidcalc.com shows the active mg/day. 14 days after your 6th week @ 500mg once weekly you have a blood concentration level of 24 - assuming you stop at week 6 inject. Is that suppressive? 21 days after your 6th inject you have 12. Is that suppressive? Thanks.

I think after 14 days you'll have half the amount of the drug that you had in the beginning

 

[bigmouth2006]

It's not a cycle, for PCT he needs a SERM like nolvadex, not an AI. What you say would hold true for his cycle (time on).

ok, then why use it all?

 

[BOWTECH]

Bro this debate can go on and on. There are good points from both sides of the spectrum. I would definately use some HCG though, and if your going to continue on you could run the bridge with some var or tbol. The best thing to do is listen to your body. Some do better when the take a short break and others do just as well running the bridge. Remember Bro your health is the most important thing here. Good luck my friend

 

[Mr.X]

ok, then why use it all?

To keep E levels at bay and to make sure you don't have any estrogen rebound.

 

[Mr.X]

The best thing to do is listen to your body. Some do better when the take a short break and others do just as well running the bridge. Remember Bro your health is the most important thing here. Good luck my friend

right on the money bro....

 

[macrophage69alpha]

stay on, do a course of HCG/AI/SERM for 2-3 weeks of that time.

4 weeks off is just going to be unpleasant to your endocrine system

you dont want to come off for that short a time. run mid-cycle HPGA restoration.

 

[bigmouth2006]

To keep E levels at bay and to make sure you don't have any estrogen rebound.

ok, talking about from the hcg or what because 2 weeks of l-dex is pointless it takes 10-14 days for it to take full effect