Moved over from another forum need some advice

[5fthyuj]

I am a recent transfer from the BB boards and I find the EF forums to be better managed and less cluttered with nonsense noob posts. So good job over here mods. I wil be starting PCT from my first cycle on saturday and I already cant wait to get on the next. My question is about my next cycle but first some intro stats....

21years
5'9.5
194lb
lifting for around 6 years, seriously and with diet for 3 years.

First cycle
1-4 30mg Dbol
1-8 150mg Prop eod
9-12 40/40/20/20 Nolva
9-12 150/100/50/50 Clomid

I did not use an AI during cycle and ran into a problem around week 4 when I had a little gyno beginning to develop. So I had to use Nolva @10mg for the remainder of the cycle. I got tired of EOD pokes really quick, but I got good at them so I am confident in my abilities and yes they hurt like hell, but got easier as i went along. I wanna run a longer ester in my next cycle and I also want to extend it to 10 weeks. My plan is something along the lines of this...

Second cycle
1-10 500mg Test E
1-4 400mg Deca
1-10 400mg EQ

1-12 1mg ed Letro
13-16 40/40/20/20 Nolva
13-16 150/100/50/50 Clomid
HCG?

I want to kick start the Test with Deca and want to run EQ alongside Test throughout the cycle. My question is more along the lines of PCT. Is HCG a must for this cycle and if so would you recommend the 1000iu eod for 4 weeks? Also is Letro more effective at 1mg then it is when run at .5mg? Thanks bros and looking forward to learning from all of you!

 

[black sheep]

Well First EQ is not that great at 10 weeks. I also don't think you need Deca and EQ. Decide what your goals are, and what sides you are willing to deal with, then pick your gear.

Are you pretty lean already? If so, then you will get more vascular off of EQ. But you need to bump the cycle to 14 weeks for the best results. Are you looking for as much mass as possible? If so, Test/Deca/D-Bol.

I would run HCG during PCT - I always do. If you run a long cycle 12-14 weeks I would do 500iu ed for 10 days at about week 8, then again at the end of the cycle. THen run your clomid and Nolva

We really need to know your goals for this cycle to help outline a good cycle. Also, what were your before and after stats for your first cycle?

 

[AhMadKooL]

I love to run a test/EQ/Deca combo get the mass and joint lubrication from the deca, and get the vascularity and apetite from the EQ. I would run it as follows:

Week 1- 12 Test 500 mg/week
Week 1- 12 EQ 400 mg/week
Week 1- 10 Deca 400mg/week

Anti - Gyno: Letro + Dostinex

If you want to kick start your cycle I would go with T-bol for the first few weeks. As Black Sheep indicated HCG is essential in any PCT protocol.

 

[steelmass]

I want to kick start the Test with Deca and want to run EQ alongside Test throughout the cycle. My question is more along the lines of PCT. Is HCG a must for this cycle and if so would you recommend the 1000iu eod for 4 weeks? Also is Letro more effective at 1mg then it is when run at .5mg? Thanks bros and looking forward to learning from all of you!

You don't kickstart test with deca bro - nandrolone decanoate won't kick in til about week 3. Test E will kick in week 2. I'll write u 2 cycles depending on how long you want to go - pick one.

1-3 Tbol 40mg ED
1-10 Test E 700mg split 2xweek
1-9 Deca 500mg

Cycle #2
1-3 Tbol 40mg ED
1-14 EQ 400mg
1-10 Deca 400mg
1-14 Test E 500mg
14-16 Tbol 40mg ED

Both with PCT protocols - the 2nd cycle with HCG 500iu once a week starting week 3 and then normal PCT. The Tbol can be exchanged with any oral - dbol,var,winny etc..

 

[5fthyuj]

I would like to gain mass from this cycle. I am about 8% bf so I am not too concerned with staying lean because I have a mean metabolism and I dont put on fat easily. The only concern I have with running Deca throughout the cycle is the possible affect it could have on my ability to get it up ie "deca dick." But with 500mg of Test E should I even be worried about this? I gained 22lbs on my first cycle, I knocked about 6 of those off in my actual weight because I feel like I am holding some water. But will know for sure after PCT. I like the cycle ahmadkool recommended, any reasons as to why or why not this would be a good one to run?

 

[AhMadKooL]

I would like to gain mass from this cycle. I am about 8% bf so I am not too concerned with staying lean because I have a mean metabolism and I dont put on fat easily. The only concern I have with running Deca throughout the cycle is the possible affect it could have on my ability to get it up ie "deca dick." But with 500mg of Test E should I even be worried about this? I gained 22lbs on my first cycle, I knocked about 6 of those off in my actual weight because I feel like I am holding some water. But will know for sure after PCT. I like the cycle ahmadkool recommended, any reasons as to why or why not this would be a good one to run?

At 500mg/week of test "deca dick" shouldn't be a problem, if you do get it just bump up the test dose.