Interesting, considering your running over a gram and half of gear right now. Just to clarify, when you say "overall" do you mean total for the entire length of the cycle? I do think 6+ can be beneficial. I don't think its the same for everyone (6,8,10,12wkrs) but even 4 week cycles are gonna shut you down just the same, and most people are not going to be able to hold onto that weight for any length of time. Have you ever come off for 4+ months? If so were you able to retain what you gained? How many cycles do you run in a typical year??? I run (3) 8 weeks cycles a year (time on = time off) this seems to work for me. I know others who prefer 10-12 but for me anything over 10 seems counterproductive. I really feel the EQ cardio benefit in week 3. I bet you'll be lovin it by then if haven't overdone the other compounds.