Mike Mentzers Highintensity Training??

[silver_shadow]

Thanx, I Have Never Head Of Dogpound Training Untill I Started This Thead! Do You Have A Link For Me And Thanx You Again

dogpound training = dogcrap (aka DC) training
DC is a BB and trainer, pretty well known on the internet training forums. he has his own forum here:
http://intensemuscle.com

 

[GSP]

Well first off i said with no changes in my diet not just eating enough to maintain weight. And this law of conservation of mass which states that the mass of a system of substances is constant, regardless of the processes acting inside the system. An equivalent statement is that matter changes form, but cannot be created or destroyed. This implies that for any chemical process in a closed system, the mass of the reactants must equal the mass of the products. So i guess being able to lift weights and not put on any weight without changing diet violates this law????? Then wouldnt atrophy be void as well. And thirdly no amount of muscle is created or destroyed in this process called weightlifting. What happens when weightlifting is muscle hypertrophy, which is an increase in the size of a tissue or organ due to the enlargement of existing cells. Hmmm the size... not in the creating of new muscle fibers. So while the law of conservation of mass does apply to muscle building, the way you used in it rebutting my comment is false. So before getting all snippy you should understand some elementary definitions related to fitness.

LOL! Nice try, you took a good stab at the physics argument, which is commendable. Of course, I'm sure you know that when a muscle grows, it isn't simply the same matter taking up more space with a lower density. It contains additional protein, glycogen, capillaries, connective tissue, nervous tissue, etc.

As for atrophy, in the absence of an odd degenerative disease, when it happens it's simply used by the body as energy, and the byproducts excreted as waste. So unless someone is drinking their own urine, this process doesn't work in reverse for muscle building!

 

[MrMuscle]

I did "HIT the Mike Mentzer way" for 12 months. It was really fun, the weights i handled in those short workouts increased enormously, BUT without my body changing And when i wanted a break and went back to a regular 3 split my strenght was lower then ever. Somehow the pre-exhaust + compound trainings made me strong in that particular way of training. But i didnt take anything with me to other exercises.

 

[Topside]

LOL! Nice try, you took a good stab at the physics argument, which is commendable. Of course, I'm sure you know that when a muscle grows, it isn't simply the same matter taking up more space with a lower density. It contains additional protein, glycogen, capillaries, connective tissue, nervous tissue, etc.

As for atrophy, in the absence of an odd degenerative disease, when it happens it's simply used by the body as energy, and the byproducts excreted as waste. So unless someone is drinking their own urine, this process doesn't work in reverse for muscle building!

Of course, of course, nothing is that simple. I was just saying that me saying that i have gotten more muscular without changing my diet while changing my routine does not violate the law of conservation of mass. It's like i said in my first few posts, whatever works for you in terms of diet and training then do it. I was just telling everyone about my personal experiences with different types of routines. This is why in terms of exercise physiologists resistance training is such a hot topic, its just not easy to figure out, and there is never going to be one method of doing things. So many variables to look at.

 

[elitft_bouncer]

Well in terms of strength you are only as strong as the weakest point of ur lift. So moving slower allows you to reduce the momentum which means ur not accelerating the bar past your weakest point of the movement. So training slower allows you to strengthen your weakest point allowing you to become stronger overall. Then if you compete you can do sport specific training and you will be stronger. And yes 170 is not big, but it is the biggest i have ever been, and without changing my diet i got there. I've tried many routines without really changing my diet. I have bill starr's book, tried 5x5, hst, gvt, tried it all with like i said a very similar diet and this HIT style of training has allowed me to break the 170 mark. But again im not here trying to change everyones routines, just having some good conversation. Whatev works keep on doin it.

Weird how even running all these programs and reading bill starr's work, you must have come to the conclusion that HIT training is not as effective as many other routines out there. I've tried many routines out there as well (mainly powerlifting), and even I know HIT isn't something I'd try. It just doesn't seem effective at all. As for sticky points/weakest link, well that will only apply to powerlifting and olympic lifting/sports specific training really. If that's the case, you might as well do "sticky point/weak link training" such as board presses, saftey bar squat, platform deadlifts, high pulls, box squats etc...
There's also a graph out there somewhere showing comparison between fast lifts and slow lifts and its effect on muscles.

 

[silver_shadow]

Weird how even running all these programs and reading bill starr's work, you must have come to the conclusion that HIT training is not as effective as many other routines out there. I've tried many routines out there as well (mainly powerlifting), and even I know HIT isn't something I'd try. It just doesn't seem effective at all. As for sticky points/weakest link, well that will only apply to powerlifting and olympic lifting/sports specific training really. If that's the case, you might as well do "sticky point/weak link training" such as board presses, saftey bar squat, platform deadlifts, high pulls, box squats etc...
There's also a graph out there somewhere showing comparison between fast lifts and slow lifts and its effect on muscles.

this is a link i posted a while back in another thread:
http://www.strengthcats.com/nodeadlift.htm
this describes the effect speed training (specifically cleans) could have on a slower lift (specifically the deadlift). somewhere towards the end of the article, he illustrates the point with approximate power outputs. i think this is similar to the graph you mentioned.

 

[otsjacked]

lol