maybe doing shoulder presses arent smart..

[WanTtoBeDeisel]

i know im not alone when i say that during any sort of benching movement my anterior delts get some action. trust me even though form may be good this is an inevitable fact. now that being said, doing military presses or even db presses hit the anterior delt, sure you can do arnolds but you are still hitting the front of your shoulders. i think this is a reason why a lot of people hate to bench presses and have shoulder problems. think about it you are hitting your shoulders multiple times during the week. now i dont know about you guys but when i do back, again inevitably, i hit the rear delts. any sort of rowing movement is going to bring the back of the shoulders into play.

ok now here is a little theory of mine, well maybe its not mine but i thought of it this morning nontheless. im contantly trying to get my chest bigger, now if you do pressing movements on chest day, why would there be a need to do pressing movements on shoulder day? aside from the fact that your anterior delts are getting over worked, the upper chest also comes into play during shoulder pressing. why not eliminate shoulder presses altogether on shoulder day and stick to upright rows and a variety of lateral raises? these exercises work the side delts, which dont get worked in your back and chest workouts. then perhaps your front shoulders would be fresh on chest day allowing for you to lift more weight with better form and with less chance of injury. any thought?...

 

[genarr3]

Upright rows are very bad for your rotator cuffs. Don't do them.

 

[nice6pac]

eating processed foods is very bad for you don't do it

 

[WanTtoBeDeisel]

any serious responses?

 

[Baoh]

eating processed foods is very bad for you don't do it

:-D

 

[rocko]

Interesting concept. I think what you should do is try it out for 6-8 weeks and get back to us - let us know how it went. Right idea, alot of people have horibly overdeveloped front delts, and this may be due to excessive over training with respect to time devoted to training the rear and side delts.
Definatly a concept that is worth some condieration. Who knows, maybee years from now all the articles in Flex will be saying don't do shoulder presses ....

 

[WanTtoBeDeisel]

thanks rocko for the support. i mean i didnt really think that it was an outlandish concept. it makes a lot of sense to me. i mean every shoulder day my front delts are still sore from chest day. no matter how i space them. i also feel im overtraining chest because when doing over head shoulder presses you are involving the clavical part(upper) of the chest. im scared to try this , but what could i lose? shoulder strength? i doubt it, not with heavy bench presses.. id like to hear some more input or critisism

 

[Nelson Montana]

The anterior and posterior delts get a lot of work from chest and back exercises and don't need much more, but they still can use some extra. Shoulder presses are more for the medial head, so it's very differeent from bench presses.

Upright rows get more of the traps.

Every should exercise is abrasive to the rotator cuff.

 

[fiz]

you're right... shoulders often get overtrained. I train my chest, then shoulders about 2-3 days later. Make sure you're getting sleep, and lots of protein and enough calories to support your training. It wont be a problem with all of this.. make sure you give yourself the most days between training chest and shoulders as possible.

 

[Fat Bastard]

That's why I train chest and delts together. I concentrate mainly on the different varieties of the lateral raise to hit delts. I rarely do any direct work for front delts(front raises,etc.) because the seem to grow faster than the other shoulder muscles. I do have to do some bent raises for my rear delts though.

 

[DeepZenPill]

Upright rows are very bad for your rotator cuffs. Don't do them.

There are two ways to deal with this problem. If it hurts you either:

A) Don't do them.
B) Decrease the weight and increase the reps.

I have a history of RC injuries, so I've learned through trial and error that putting my ego in the back of my mind and decreasing the weight is sometimes the smartest thing to do. Upright rows are a staple of mine, but they don't seem to hurt my RC too much. They mostly exacerbate the tendonitis in my forearms. There are a ton of exercises you can use to hit the traps anyway, so if one hurts usually another can fill the void.

 

[Tigrones]

The best single exercise for delts:

Lay face down on the incline bench and do side laterals for rear delts. No cheating here, your chest firmly against the bench pad, keep your neck in line with your back. Than push away your arms by engaging rear delts. It's harder than you think if you do it properly. Your shoulders will explode, and give you that thick, wide look. I still can't pass 40lbs dumbells here.

 

[dootyd3]

is it time for u to give your shoulders a rest!!

 

[Punt]

Lay face down on the incline bench and do side laterals for rear delts. No cheating here, your chest firmly against the bench pad, keep your neck in line with your back. Than push away your arms by engaging rear delts. It's harder than you think if you do it properly. Your shoulders will explode, and give you that thick, wide look. I still can't pass 40lbs dumbells here.

I'm trying to picture this, but I think the bench would end somewhere around my stomach.

Also, how much of an incline are you talking about?

 

[Machiavellian Muscle]

just get rid of all barbell movements and just use dumbells. Solution solved.

 

[Tigrones]

I'm trying to picture this, but I think the bench would end somewhere around my stomach.

Also, how much of an incline are you talking about?

No, your chin should clear the top edge of the bench (unless you are over 7ft, than yes, it may end around your stomach). I am 5'11" and it feels just right. You can always slide up or down few inches using your legs until you get comfortable. You legs will be your anchor, use it to prevent from sliding down too much. Incline angle should be at the lowest setting.
The trick is to isolate the lateral motion and force rear delts to do the work. Pressing firmly against the incline bench will prevent you from swinging your body and cheating.
Once I started doing this exercise, my shoulders just kept bursting, now they are full and thick from every angle.

 

[collegiateLifter]

The best single exercise for delts:

Lay face down on the incline bench and do side laterals for rear delts. No cheating here, your chest firmly against the bench pad, keep your neck in line with your back. Than push away your arms by engaging rear delts. It's harder than you think if you do it properly. Your shoulders will explode, and give you that thick, wide look. I still can't pass 40lbs dumbells here.

I am gonna venture to say that bent over barbell rows and chins are far better for building your rear delts, as generally compound excercises are. Would you do laterals for huge side (medial) delts, or flyes for a big chest?

 

[casualbb]

My chest routine is: one set incline DB press, one set weighted dips. I recognize front deltoid participation in the incline and let it be my "Front Delt" exercise as well as my "upper chest" one. So far frontal deltoid development has not been lacking.

-casualbb

 

[JOKER47]

There are two ways to deal with this problem. If it hurts you either:

A) Don't do them.
B) Decrease the weight and increase the reps.

C) Rotator cuff work three times a week.


Joker

 

[DanielBishop]

just get rid of all barbell movements and just use dumbells. Solution solved.

I think you mean "Problem solved"....

 

[nice6pac]

jsut train your rear delts more man your answer is to puss out and cut back on training i cna understand taking a breka but you guys are copping out like it ain;tfunny,

 

[WanTtoBeDeisel]

copping out?? i think not my friend. i lift heavy and intense. im simply saying that i think a lot of us over work our shoulders by doing so many press type movements. after a good chest day, and benching with a bar bell, the deep fibers in my anterior delts are blasted. regardless of form, and by doing shoulder presses a few days after i can still feel that they are tired and weak.

 

[gmanlax7]

I think the bottom line is you should arrange your split so chest and shoulders are far apart, i for instance do chest on monday and shoulders on friday. If you want big muscular shoulders you HAVE to do overhead presses. You can say that you can get big shoulders without overheads, but that would be that much bigger if you WERE doing them.