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Maximum time under tension! Mentzer has some great points....

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In the recent issue of Ironman Mentzer outlined an interesting theory on tension. Rather than going through the whole theory I thought it would be best to show an example.

In the case of leg extensions... Rather than grinding out the typical 3 sets 10-12-15 or whatever your rep scheme is try extending the maximum amt of wieght you could handle. At the peak of contraction hold the wieght in position for 1 minute. Try this again during the second set w/ approx 20% decrease in wieght.

Why.... Well if one buys into the concept that the more a muscle is exposed to maximum tension for an extended period of time, the more muscle fibers are recruited, blood pumped etc into the target area then why not start out w/ the muscle under 100% tension for as long as possible.

Think of it this way.. If you were to perform leg ext for 10 reps. At best your quads are under max tension for 2-3 seconds per rep. Multiply this by 10 and you are putting max tension on the quads for 25-35 seconds. If one were to apply Mentzers theory and you used the same wieght, however held the top position for 60 seconds would you not achieve better results???

I tried this the other night. I did this after squats. I loaded 4 45's on my machine and held the wieght in top position for only 50 seconds before my legs were shaking like a drunk in detox. The second set w/ 20% lighter wieght went the same. The workout took less than half the time and the next morning I felt sore as I did w/ my old routine. My guess is that this is better applied for pulling movements such as Leg curls, ext, rows, bi curls. If any one else has tried this please share your experience and results. Peace!
 
I did a static-only routine and gained nothing. It's good that you're excited about strength training and growth theory, so let me offer something. We know based on experimentation that it's mostly eccentric motions that cause the damage that results in growth. The way you can apply this is, instead of doing a heavy weighted hold, try heavy one-legged negatives if you're looking for extra overload.
 
Static only training, has yeilded little benefit to me as well, other than an increase in static strength in the muscles I used it on. If you are that interested in the theory Peter Sisco and John Little wrote a book on it called "Static Contraction Training." I own it, and must say, it was a waste of money.
 
Most of Menzer's information in Ironman is written by John Little (one of the authors mentioned above), since Menzer commited suicide several years ago.
 
Good to hear that you have tried this man. I am in my 18th year of training and have tried EVERYTHING, but this. I must say that the concept makes a lot of sense in theory. Then again there is a big difference between theoretical and applied science. I will try this for some time to gauge results. Will keep all posted.
 
since Menzer commited suicide several years ago.>>>

He did? Wow, I guess that heart attack in his sleep was fake. Glad to know this!
 
static holds, TUT training...etc... train your CNS. It might help you get past a plateau, but its not gonna put muscle on you, like WSB would.

Like CasualBB, I have used it & didnt make any gains either.
 
Static contractions, at least at first, actually did result in very noticeable size gains for me, but the carry-over to full ROM strength was poor. I think it was best utilized strictly as a way to impose much heavier loads than to which I was accustomed for a short period, sorta like the way HSTers will do negatives near the end of their final training cycles.

Jason: wassup my man?!

Regarding Mentzer's untimely demise, it's rumored that poor Ray Mentzer might've taken his own life, but the late, great Michael Mentzer had little say in the matter as C3 indicated :(

(I miss Mike. I do take exception to a no. of Heavy Duty tenets but I really loved the guy. He was a friend and good man, one who'd struggled to overcome the same adversities many of us have.)
 
C3bodybuilding said:
since Menzer commited suicide several years ago.>>>

He did? Wow, I guess that heart attack in his sleep was fake. Glad to know this!

And I believe it was at most a year and a half ago......
 
I added a variation of this to my routine years ago and it did help. I do my regular workout, but then the last rep of the last set, I make the negative last 20-30 seconds, huge time under tension and great way to make sure youve recruited every fibre
 
needsize said:
I added a variation of this to my routine years ago and it did help. I do my regular workout, but then the last rep of the last set, I make the negative last 20-30 seconds, huge time under tension and great way to make sure youve recruited every fibre

i think this is were time under tension should lead to. super slow reps, no pause in the movement. intead of 1 up 2 down, why not 2 up 4 down or even 3 up 6 down?

my $0.02
 
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