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Maximizing Lat growth from Pullups

casualbb

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Chins/pullups used not to do much for me. My lats grew a tad, but nowhere near where I wanted to be. My mistake was that I wasn't really focusing on the motion but just focusing on lifting myself; that is, I was only concerned with completing each rep rather than maximizing the movement's growth potential.

The pullup is one of the motions for which there is a wide range of potential load distribution depending on the mind-body link.

Let's focus for a second on what the latissimus dorsi does. It has two functions:
1) To bring the upper arm in towards the body on the side
2) To bring the upper arm in towards the body from the front

Imagine bringing your elbow down to strike something -- that is the function of the lat.

Performing the movement:
Think of the function of the lat as I just described, and then think of the pullover. Essentially the movement is bringing the arms in towards the body against resistance.

Now, picture a pullup. I personally picture a guy with a really wide grip and not a lot of range do his pulling to the side, kind of like this guy:
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/LatissimusDorsi/AsPullup.html
I've found personally that this puts a huge strain on my bi's, and my bi's poop out before I feel anything in my lats.

Here's how you do it:
-Take a medium grip, say, shoulder-length, on a BAR, not rubber grips like at a pullup station.
-I advocate doing the positive explosively. My reasoning is that you have more pulling power at the bottom of the movement. If you slow the positive you're much more likely to stall out in the middle of the rep.
-Think of bringing the bar OUT in an arc and finally in towards the top of your chest. Not a circular arc, but more like this: )
-Focus not on your arms, but your ARMPITS. Think about a pullover, and try to do nothing other than bring your arms towards your body. You should feel it more in your armpit area than your biceps.
-On the negatives, focus on flexing your lats as you descend, this should help them take the load.

Give this stuff a try next back day, it may make the different and boost your lat growth. Mine has certainly skyrocketed since I started doing this.
 
I ACTUALLY FOUND THAT OUT A summer ago. before my latS WERE CRAP. NOW THERE KOOL. ON PULLDOWNs, i juST GRAP PRETTY WIDE AND PULL DOWN WITH MY ELBOWs. or armpitS, same feeling
 
I dunno I don't think about it too much, I just do them, they have gotten bigger :)

when the amount of weight you hang off yourself goes up they will get bigger
also try isometric versions for 30secs or so.
 
yeah i dont think about mine either, but the back of my arpits are still on fire when im done with each set
 
Yeah, nice post casualbb! I didn't learn this until I used the Nautilus pulldown/over, now I get more out of my weighted chins, and my back is growing. You really dissected the necessary change better than I had; well said! k for ya.
 
cmdubs said:
how come you say not to use a rubber grip in a pull-up station? does it really matter??

I find those grip stations tend to encourage you to pull down to the side, with your body in the gap between grips in the middle.

With a bar, it forces you to pull in that arc that I described, otherwise you bang your head.
 
Backlash -- I'm referring to anything with no bar in the middle.

Time2getbig -- yes, I go all the way down to a hanging position inbetween reps.
 
A medium grip on a bar ....

You mean not on the curved handles ?
 
I personally find a bar to be much better, but anything with SOME thing that you have to get your chin over is fine.

I don't like those grips stations where there's nothing in the middle. You keep drifting into the middle and you never really know when you've completed the rep.
 
casualbb said:
I personally find a bar to be much better, but anything with SOME thing that you have to get your chin over is fine.

same here, but I was wondering about curved bars which allow you to use a supine grip (easier for my wrists)
 
Oh, well that sounds alright.

Keep in mind, these are the things I think about that help me execute in the motion in a way that is productive to me. I think it can certainly help other lifters, but certainly not to be taken as gospel :D just suggestions
 
Awesome, awesome post. My lats are a weak point; I've never had trouble rowing decent weights, even in very strict style, but chins and pulldowns...LOL. So this couldn't be more timely!
 
casualbb said:
Time2getbig -- yes, I go all the way down to a hanging position inbetween reps.


This is what helped me gain in chins: full ROM. I see too many people only going halfway down and never straightening the elbows. I go all the way down and pause for a second or two between each rep; sure I don't get as many reps that way but I feel it much more in the lats, and that's what really counts.
 
Forge said:
This is what helped me gain in chins: full ROM. I see too many people only going halfway down and never straightening the elbows. I go all the way down and pause for a second or two between each rep; sure I don't get as many reps that way but I feel it much more in the lats, and that's what really counts.

Brutal! And I concur.

Beautiful avatar, btw. Does she have a sister? :p :lol:
 
as a followup to this post

I decided to skip deadlifts in my back workout for the first time in a LONG time.. so I started with pullups/chins as my first exercise and hit them hard.

My lats are literally still sore 3 days later!! From my pits all the way down my lats! I'm NEVER sore for this long anymore. feels great, so all you who do deadlift on back day as your first exercise, try switching it every once in awhile, or putting deadlifts on another day.
 
Forge said:
No sister that I know of. And yes, she is a goddess among women... :p

She looks like Monica Bellucci :p

BTW, when doing pull-ups, when do you breathe ?
 
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