Massive Cardio and AAS

[sparetire]

I've been on Eq 400 and Sustanon 350 for the past 6 weeks. Now, I am doing massive cardio to lose that stubborn fat around my stomach. I'm about 9% bf and I'm trying to get down to <6 %. My question here is, if I'm doing atleast an hour everyday on the eliptical trainer - 12 miles an hour (yes I'm hauling some serious ass), will the aas in my blood/body work faster and leave my faster or will it still stay in just as long as if I wasn't doing so much cardio?

I'm just amazed at how much cardio I am doing and the muscle loss is absolutely a small amount if any. I'm losing water and fat at a great speed.

 

[toxicsambo]

Doing cardio wont expell the juice from your system, but you will develop a different muscular shape. I believe you will build harder, leaner muslce, but not bulky muscle. You should end up burning off more fat and retaining very little water while doing regular cardio on a cycle. I jump rope for 30-40 minutes 3-4 times a week and I nerver lost muscle mass. I think you're right on the mark with your goals IMO.

 

[psychedout]

Man you are nuts, I can only skip rope for 20 minutes and i'm toast!

 

[Djicy]

Man you are nuts, I can only skip rope for 20 minutes and i'm toast!

same here I get a massive headache from going over 20 mins too

 

[toxicsambo]

same here I get a massive headache from going over 20 mins too

Well, I do a boxing session I learned as a kid. Jump rope for 3 minutes(like a round in boxing), then in the 1 minute rest between rounds I do 10 pushups, 10 crunches, 10 squats. Then continue jumping. I do that for 30-40, so it's not straight through. It took me a long fkn time to get to that point btw. I've turned fkn purple a couple of times.

 

[Djicy]

Well, I do a boxing session I learned as a kid. Jump rope for 3 minutes(like a round in boxing), then in the 1 minute rest between rounds I do 10 pushups, 10 crunches, 10 squats. Then continue jumping. I do that for 30-40, so it's not straight through. It took me a long fkn time to get to that point btw. I've turned fkn purple a couple of times.

sounds pretty cool I gotta try that sometime, even 20 minutes of that is probably a good work out.

 

[The Shadow]

Cardio has nothing to do with the way gear builds muscle.


there IS no specific gear for bulking


there IS no specific gear for cutting




...gear aromatizes or it doesnt.


typically the more androgenic it is relative to its anabolic effects....the more it is thought of as a "bulking" roid....typically because of the massive water weight that goes a long with it.



Ever try Dbol on a cutting cycle??


keep carbs to a minimum and use L-dex and see how efective a "bulker" can be for "cutting"

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I've been on Eq 400 and Sustanon 350 for the past 6 weeks. Now, I am doing massive cardio to lose that stubborn fat around my stomach. I'm about 9% bf and I'm trying to get down to <6 %. My question here is, if I'm doing atleast an hour everyday on the eliptical trainer - 12 miles an hour (yes I'm hauling some serious ass), will the aas in my blood/body work faster and leave my faster or will it still stay in just as long as if I wasn't doing so much cardio?

I'm just amazed at how much cardio I am doing and the muscle loss is absolutely a small amount if any. I'm losing water and fat at a great speed.

Whoa man, hold on. 1 hour everyday...hauling ass! Know why you're not loosing that fat? Cuz your burning muscle instead of fat! 1. Mix up your cardio sessions, time, intensity, eliptical, bike, stairmaster, treadmill. Maybe take a VERY close look at your diet...Anabolics aren't magic, don't expect them to automatically produce "ripped results." Diet, training, rest, diet, rest, supps, diet are very important. 30 minutes of cardio BTW, 40 tops is all you should be doing IMO

 

[toxicsambo]

Cardio has nothing to do with the way gear builds muscle.


there IS no specific gear for bulking


there IS no specific gear for cutting




...gear aromatizes or it doesnt.


typically the more androgenic it is relative to its anabolic effects....the more it is thought of as a "bulking" roid....typically because of the massive water weight that goes a long with it.



Ever try Dbol on a cutting cycle??


keep carbs to a minimum and use L-dex and see how efective a "bulker" can be for "cutting"

lol, good point. I'm so used to seeing ppl take d-bol or anadrol just for the goal of looking like a house and hardly shooting for vascular, dense muscle. And eating like a house, or a shit house.Totally true though, it's how one uses the gear that determines the outcome.
As far as how much cardio is too much, I remmber a line from a mag saying " If you run a lot, you will look like a runner. If you lift a lot, you will look like you lift. And if you don't do shit, you will look like shit." It's all relative to the goals you have and how you want to look.

Btw Sparetire, I noticed you said you do cardio everyday? detroit is right, you're doing TOO MUCH. I only do cardio 3-4 times a week tops. 40 min. tops. You inhibit fat burining by doing too much cardio. You need rest intervals just like weight training for optimal results.

 

[The Shadow]

When I cut - I do 3 HIIT cardio session per week


thats it.

 

[sparetire]

Whoa man, hold on. 1 hour everyday...hauling ass! Know why you're not loosing that fat? Cuz your burning muscle instead of fat! 1. Mix up your cardio sessions, time, intensity, eliptical, bike, stairmaster, treadmill. Maybe take a VERY close look at your diet...Anabolics aren't magic, don't expect them to automatically produce "ripped results." Diet, training, rest, diet, rest, supps, diet are very important. 30 minutes of cardio BTW, 40 tops is all you should be doing IMO

heh. I have done that and I still couldn't get rid of the ole' tire. I want abs like jubei! lol. Basically, nothing works to get rid of that stubborn area, diet, weight-training etc. I have done a cycle before for bulk and achieved my goal - overall and was very pleased with it. This time around, I decided that I wanted to bulk on my cycle for the first 6 weeks then cardio like crazy the last half. It's actually working! My skin is much, much thinner. I have taken an even closer look at my diet and have cut some more 'simple' sugars out also. But, no, I haven't really lost a lot of muscle - at all. I have done almost 160 miles on the eliptical over the past 2 weeks. My muscles are shaping up even better than ever, muscles are getting that rock solid feel to them and my abs are finally getting where I have always wanted them (of course I will post pics later). My current cycle consists arimidex and nolva also to fight the bloat and gyno. I'll keep ya posted and thanks for the info on the release of the aas in the body..

 

[The Shadow]

WAY too much cardio


Look into Hi intensity interval training for cardio

 

[JohnRambo]

I'm allways high in cardio, need this to be able to work the intensity that my muscles and supplements "need".
I'm going to think through your advices shadow...

 

[The Shadow]

I'm allways high in cardio, need this to be able to work the intensity that my muscles and supplements "need".
I'm going to think through your advices shadow...

Since Jan 3rd....I have been following a very tightdiet.

10-12 times boyweight in cals on a 40p/30c/30f diet.

One bodypart per day -5 days per week.


Jan 3 - 209.5 at 10.9%


Now - 211 at 8.7%


I have done THREE cardio sessions.

 

[pudding]

Since Jan 3rd....I have been following a very tightdiet.

10-12 times boyweight in cals on a 40p/30c/30f diet.

One bodypart per day -5 days per week.


Jan 3 - 209.5 at 10.9%



Now - 211 at 8.7%


I have done THREE cardio sessions.

Whats your body part a day routine

 

[The Shadow]

Chest
Back
Legs
Delts
Arms


I never go about 12-14 sets, legs are the exception

 

[Judo Tom]

im currently doing about 12 'cardio' sessions a week some of them lasting 3hr long.

im still getting stronger, leaner and adding LBM.

it is possible.

 

[pudding]

I was told by a couple of people no cardio while bulking. Wait till get to size wanted then cut. Still it worries me about mid section fat gain.

 

[The Shadow]

im currently doing about 12 'cardio' sessions a week some of them lasting 3hr long.

im still getting stronger, leaner and adding LBM.

it is possible.

LOL

cardio with ''

but that much cardio is not necessary with a tight diet for most people, esp nattys


Cals are cals....


what is the difference between eating an extra 300 cals per day and then doimng cardio as opposed to just not eating it??



nothing - except for the rise in cortisol if the cardio intensity is too high

 

[sparetire]

But what are your goals compaired to mine? I'm 5' 8 with a small body frame. I wouldn't look good HUGE and bloated. Right now I weigh 167, the most was 176 and I started looking 2 big for my frame. I met a guy (who actually turned me onto steroids!), who was about my size, 160ish, 4% bf. The way he transformed his body was incredible. He looked great for his size and that's basically what I want. I eat calories, but I like the lean, hard vascular look anyday over the big bloated frame for myself. Don't get me wrong , there are guys who are just genetically blessed with a nice frame, I am not, so I have to go with what I have. I can never do too much cardio, esp while on aas. It's crazy how much cardio I have done over the past 2 weeks and I still am putting on muscle weight and losing the fat.

Now, this is what I have noticed also. You say you went from 209 to 211 from 10 to 8 bf. But don't you also realize (not to sound condescending) the more muscle you put on changes your bf in your favor even though you didn't lose any fat at all. I've seen guys who look like a bunch of fat asses with big upper bodies - big fat guts, strong legs and say they are about 12-14% body fat. COOMMME ON.. that's just because they have soo much muscle that it changes the ratio of the fat. Then there are some guys, maybe you, who look very proportionate, and you probably are the correct bf. So, sometimes, I don't always believe what people say in their body fat. But, I guess what it eventually comes down to is what the finished product will be and what we want ourselves to look like. just my nickle's worth

 

[The Shadow]

Now, this is what I have noticed also. You say you went from 209 to 211 from 10 to 8 bf. But don't you also realize (not to sound condescending) the more muscle you put on changes your bf in your favor even though you didn't lose any fat at all.

REALLY???


LBM INCREASES WILL DECREASE %BF??



GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!






Crunch the numbers.....

Fat pounds before - 22.8

.............after - 18.4


Lean mass before - 186.7


.......................after - 192.6



....thats in 5 weeks.....3 cardio sessions


as far as proportions......not quite where I want them but Im working on it



Chest - 47
Waist - 33
Quads - 27 at midpoint
arms - 18.5 pumped



very small frame - wrists are barely 7 inches...so I look 6-8 heavier than I am

 

[Judo Tom]

i just mean im not on a stairmaster!
6 of those are training session like judo or mma type stuff
6 of them are cardio for cardio hit type stuff

LOL

cardio with ''

but that much cardio is not necessary with a tight diet for most people, esp nattys


Cals are cals....


what is the difference between eating an extra 300 cals per day and then doimng cardio as opposed to just not eating it??



nothing - except for the rise in cortisol if the cardio intensity is too high

 

[toxicsambo]

REALLY???


LBM INCREASES WILL DECREASE %BF??



GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!






Crunch the numbers.....

Fat pounds before - 22.8

.............after - 18.4


Lean mass before - 186.7


.......................after - 192.6



....thats in 5 weeks.....3 cardio sessions


as far as proportions......not quite where I want them but Im working on it



Chest - 47
Waist - 33
Quads - 27 at midpoint
arms - 18.5 pumped



very small frame - wrists are barely 7 inches...so I look 6-8 heavier than I am

lmao. Can somebody say, oooooooowwwwwwwwwned! Not dissing on you sparetire, but Shadow knows what he's fkn talking about. He makes sense on alot of issues, that's why he's a frikken moderator. An INCREASE in lean body mass usually means a DECREASE in bodyfat, if you're not a numbnut and diet and do cardio correctly. Now if you want to talk about weight, then that's a different story. I've seen many ppl get bigger but lost no BF. Usually because they never change thier diet, and second they don't do cardio at all, or they do TOO MUCH CARDIO. In that case, all they do is lose weight, which is usually water and muscle and no fat.

 

[The Shadow]

i just mean im not on a stairmaster!
6 of those are training session like judo or mma type stuff
6 of them are cardio for cardio hit type stuff

LOL

 

[wallcrawler]

I can never do too much cardio, esp while on aas. It's crazy how much cardio I have done over the past 2 weeks and I still am putting on muscle weight and losing the fat.

Are you saying that you can do noticeably more cardio when on aas? Does it give you that much more energy for doing cardio?

 

[toxicsambo]

Are you saying that you can do noticeably more cardio when on aas? Does it give you that much more energy for doing cardio?

All you do is build stamina. You're training your body to expect long cardio sessions, so naturally you're body will build up a tolerance. When on aas, your muscle recovery is faster, but if you want to be a fkn long distance runner, then why use gear? Those guys run for hours and they dont use aas, they just have no muscle. Less muscle equals quicker oxygen distrbution, more muscle equals heart attack after doing cardio for 2hrs a day while on aas. For lifting, cardio is for fat burning only, and there are specifics on how do to that. Or else you don't burn fat, you just burn away all the muscle. Capice?! Comprende! Verstehen Sie, was ich meine!!!? ( Do you understand!?) lol jk

 

[Judo Tom]

there are numerous studies out there that show that adding cardio to a lifting routine will increase the amount of muscle you will put on.

again obviously there is a point of diminishing returns and all that but you should be doing some cardio

also you can do a lot more cardio while on aas because you will simply not burn as much muscle while on aas so you can still gain while doing more cardio

 

[pudding]

This is great stuff. I quit cardio for gain. Doing workout MWF. Looks like throwing in cardio on Tu,Thu might be to my advantage. Any opinions?

 

[djgaler]

If your trying to get rid of that spare tire, try some Yohimburn. I've never used it, but everything i've read on here its awesome>>

 

[oubeta]

Get on some tren and see how long you last

 

[The Shadow]

Get on some tren and see how long you last

LOL


...that varies form person to person...it will KILL the appetite though

 

[oubeta]

I can't walk up the stairs on 75-100 mg a day of fina. SHit kills my wind

 

[sparetire]

bah!
"as far as proportions......not quite where I want them but Im working on it



Chest - 47
Waist - 33
Quads - 27 at midpoint
arms - 18.5 pumped



very small frame - wrists are barely 7 inches...so I look 6-8 heavier than I am"



What I saying is that I no doubtably believe that you gained weight , lbm, but if your ratio of lbm is that much more than your bf, well of course your numbers will look good, and by your response this is what I'm talking about. But, take your bf and put it on someone with considerably LESS LBM than you, then that person's bm won't be 8%, but will be more like 15. I wasn't arguing whether you were correct on yourself, just stating a simple fact how percentages look different on someone like me than you. If I posted a picture of myself - abs - chest - and compaired it with your pic - I bet you'll look like your bf is more than mine, when in fact, we're probably about the same.

Chest 44
waist 31.5
quad 25
arm's almost 17 when pumped.


I really haven't noticed whether or not cardio is 'easier' on aas than when off, since I have always done it equally well either way. I just notice that fat loss while on aas with cardio is much more excellerated due to increased muscle building while on.

 

[The Shadow]

...thats terrible logic....



add 10 pounds to my LBM and then recalculae the BF...it doesnt change THAT much....it doent even drop it HALF of 1%.

 

[sparetire]

okay, your right - i'm wrong.. no need to argue the point..

happy now?

 

[The Shadow]

okay, your right - i'm wrong.. no need to argue the point..

happy now?

WTF is your proble??


You said that more LBM would affect the bf level.....I gave an example...it doesnt.

Just move on Orb.

 

[PRoXoNEtAPiMpbitch]

ASS PLUS MASSIVE CARDIO = ENLARGED VENTRICLE ENALRGED HEART
As I see it.

 

[sparetire]

no problem here mr. orb. lol. I originally started this thread to ask about the length of aas in your body not get into an argument over bf. We can just agree to disagree. I'm just saying what most people say 10% is, isn't and you say it in your case it is. It's purely subjective. No need to argue bro.

 

[toxicsambo]

I've been on Eq 400 and Sustanon 350 for the past 6 weeks. Now, I am doing massive cardio to lose that stubborn fat around my stomach. I'm about 9% bf and I'm trying to get down to <6 %. My question here is, if I'm doing atleast an hour everyday on the eliptical trainer - 12 miles an hour (yes I'm hauling some serious ass), will the aas in my blood/body work faster and leave my faster or will it still stay in just as long as if I wasn't doing so much cardio?

I'm just amazed at how much cardio I am doing and the muscle loss is absolutely a small amount if any. I'm losing water and fat at a great speed.

Stop the shiznit. Point is, you're still doing WAY TOO MUCH cardio. You're definatly NOT losing more fat. NO the aas will not leave your body sooner because of cardio. It's based on the chemical makeup of whatever aas you're using and the base it's suspended in. Eq and Sust tend to stay in your body for a while, not like Suspension or Proprionate. Want to lose fat? Burn off more than you take in, Do cardio at 80% of your max heart rate in short high intensity sessions no more than 4x a week, eat a diet consisting of more protein than carbs, take a thermogenic/Clen/T3, and drink a gallon of water a day. I think that does it. lol

 

[mr.cuts]

ASS PLUS MASSIVE CARDIO = ENLARGED VENTRICLE ENALRGED HEART
As I see it.

I have heard that this is a myth. Does anyone else have any info on this???

 

[The Shadow]

I'm just saying what most people say 10% is, isn't and you say it in your case it is. It's purely subjective. No need to argue bro.

LOL


What in the blue hell are you babbling about??


A bodyfat test is subjective??

 

[sparetire]

post up some pics of your abs and let's see just what your 8.7 % percent looks like..

 

[roadkill75]

I was doing cardio 5 times a week. 3 of the sessions last an hour each, but i'm not preparing for a competition though. I have great endurance thats all because of my cardio routine, it is extremely important in my book. i have never lost any muscle because of doing cardio, if anything it just keep me in "good shape" and shredded.

I eat big and I train and do cardio, i guess it all depends on your goals.
i'm planning a cycle (deca/winny) for next month and i'll be back to my cardio routine while on cycle. my goals are do drop a few lbs if possible, but i'm sure i'm gonna be able to do that, even with deca going 400-600mg/week range.

 

[sparetire]

everyone has different goals. My original post of this thread was just to find out whether aas levels drop faster if cardio is increased more. That question has been answered. Some people don't like cardio, while others do. I am one person who enjoys cardio. I like looking lean and cut rather big and bulky. Just like the person who uses aas and boxes/kick boxing - that is a lot of cardio, in which aas usage will enhance the cardio of that person (it has done so for me). You're exactly right roadkill when you said it all depends on our goals. nuff said..