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enigma4dub said:
i understand that we aren't all the same and thats my point. it seems as if you have generalized everyone smoking trees as the same. now that same government housing reefer addict you referred to has probably got a 40 bottle stuck to his lip too. and i dont see you clamoring on about abolishing alcohol. just like so many conservatives talking about puling yourself up by your bootstraps financially the same should be said about ones ability to say no to reefer or anything else.

I don't think someone in gubment housing should be boozing it up either. But I'm convinced (and the NIH is too) that pot is a dominant factor in missing educational opportunities -- and that has a direct impact on someone's economic viability. Which brings me back to my point. If its so important that we shovel money to the "downtrodden" in the form of MedicAid, food stamps, welfare, subsidized housing, etc. etc. then it should be equally important that we shovel the pot and other drugs away from them as well.

And for the record, I'm pretty much a libertarian. It wouldn't bother me for pot to be 100% legal, as long as there was an iron-clad guarantee that no taxpayer or employer ever had to pay for a pot smoker's decisions. Its ludicrous that we don't already 100% drug test for eligibility for any form of government assistance already.
 
mrplunkey said:
Then you're ignoring more evidence than Pat Roberson does to form his beliefs on creationism.

You yourself have cited education as a key factor to success. If I plat search long enough, I think I can even find where you feel higher education should be a right (please correct me if I'm wrong on that point).

Given that, here's what NIH says about Marijuana and school:

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Adolescent Marijuana Use and School Attendance.

Roebuck MC, French M, Dennis ML; AcademyHealth. Meeting (2003 : Nashville, Tenn.).
Abstr AcademyHealth Meet. 2003; 20: abstract no. 87.

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RESEARCH OBJECTIVE: Several economic studies have linked educational attainment with drug use (Cook & Moore, 1993; Yamada, Kendrix, & Yamada, 1996; Dee & Evans, 1997; Bray, Zarkin, Ringwalt, & Qi, 2000). None, however, has looked at partial attendance or examined different frequencies of drug use in these equations. This paper explores the relationships between adolescent marijuana use and both school dropout and truancy. STUDY DESIGN: The analysis predicted adolescent school dropout and, conditional on being enrolled, estimated the number of days truant in the past 30 days. Dropout and truancy were estimated using four models. Along with individual and family characteristics, Model 1, the core model, included a single binary measure of any marijuana use during the past year. Model 2 segmented marijuana users into two discrete groups: chronic marijuana users with weekly or more frequent use during the past year, and non-chronic marijuana users with less than weekly use during the past year. Model 3 controlled for other drug use by adding a dichotomous measure of any drug use other than marijuana during the past year to Model 2. Finally, Model 4 augmented Model 3 with a measure of any alcohol use in the past month. The potential endogeneity of marijuana use was tested in all specifications. POPULATION STUDIED: Data pooled from the 1997 and 1998 National Household Surveys on Drug Abuse were used to form a sample of 15,168 adolescents aged 12-18 who had not completed high school. PRINCIPAL FINDINGS: The results indicate that any marijuana use was positively associated with school dropout and truancy in all models. However, when chronic marijuana use (weekly or more frequent) was distinguished from non-chronic marijuana use (less frequent than weekly), chronic marijuana use was found to be the dominant factor in these relationships. These results prevailed even after controlling for other drug and alcohol use. CONCLUSIONS: A general conclusion from this research is that all marijuana users are more likely to be school dropouts and, conditional on being enrolled in school, skip more school days relative to non-marijuana users. Weekly or more frequent marijuana use (chronic) had a larger positive marginal effect on school attendance than less than weekly marijuana use (non-chronic). Indeed, when non-chronic marijuana users were distinguished from chronic marijuana users in the dropout equation, the marginal effect of chronic marijuana use was more than four times the marginal effect of non-chronic marijuana use. IMPLICATIONS FOR POLICY, DELIVERY OR PRACTICE: This study has several important implications for educators, substance abuse treatment providers, and policymakers. First, all levels of marijuana use were associated with increased truancy and dropout. The fact that higher frequencies of use showed larger marginal effects than lower frequencies of use further strengthens the claim that adolescent marijuana use is associated with increases in school attendance problems. Second, these analyses suggest that "one size fits all" prevention programs are probably inappropriate. While general prevention programs may be sufficient for non- or even low-frequency users, high frequency users may require more intensive early intervention or even brief treatments. Furthermore, reaching these more chronic users via school-based programs may be problematic given these adolescents attend school much less than their peers.

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Cliffs notes: The more you smoke, the greater your chances of attendance problems and/or dropping out of school.

How can a drug that denies someone of their basic rights (your right to an education) also add to their ability to enjoy their own existence?
I have never, and do not ever see myself encouraging the use of marijuana in adolescents.

I am sure there are many other legal acitivites and substances that are not good for children.

I find a tough time drawing my own lines with what is good for the group vs good for the individuals.

I think people should be able to endanger themselves and take personal risk as much as they want so long as it doesn't affect others. This is so tough though I admit because things can indirectly impact others in ways that are tough to quantify.
 
Lestat said:
I think people should be able to endanger themselves and take personal risk as much as they want so long as it doesn't affect others. This is so tough though I admit because things can indirectly impact others in ways that are tough to quantify.

But forcing one person to financially support another does directly impact them. We live in an age where people love conferring these new "rights" on people -- healthcare, housing, income, education and food. But these new rights come at the expense of society's wage earners.

And here we have an illegal drug that has been shown to have a dominant (NIH's words, not mine) impact on a person's economic viability. It just seems incredibly hypocritical to me for anyone to be showering these new "rights" on the downtrodden while turning a blind eye (or even supporting the trade by using it yourself) to pot usage.
 
MrPlunkey,

Your concern about "your tax dollars" supporting the poor is invalid.

There's no such thing as "your tax dollars" or even "your dollars". Every single dollar is the property of the Federal Reserve. That's why every piece of currency is labeled as a Federal Reserve Note. They never belong to you. Ever.

The taxes you pay are actually 'interest' you're being charged for using that currency. It's the 'rent' on those notes.

Furtermore, the percentage of tax revenue spent on welfare to the poor is nothing compared to the amounts given to corporations as 'bailouts' etc.

The fact of the matter is that very wealthy people are receiving more of 'your hard earned tax dollars' than the poor.

Besides, how much do you pay in tax every year? Most likely it's somewhere between $10-25k Your contribution to the poor you despise is probably a mere $300 per annum. Geez. What a terrible burden.

The fact of the matter is that most of your tax burden goes to support the government itself, the largest percentage being military spending if I am not mistaken.

Oh, and the poor you think aren't worth $300 a year? They're the ones providing the manpower for the military. Without them, you'd likely be drafted into service.

So your $300 keeps you out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
MrPlunkey,

Your concern about "your tax dollars" supporting the poor is invalid.

There's no such thing as "your tax dollars" or even "your dollars". Every single dollar is the property of the Federal Reserve. That's why every piece of currency is labeled as a Federal Reserve Note. They never belong to you. Ever.

The taxes you pay are actually 'interest' you're being charged for using that currency. It's the 'rent' on those notes.

Furtermore, the percentage of tax revenue spent on welfare to the poor is nothing compared to the amounts given to corporations as 'bailouts' etc.

The fact of the matter is that very wealthy people are receiving more of 'your hard earned tax dollars' than the poor.

Besides, how much do you pay in tax every year? Most likely it's somewhere between $10-25k Your contribution to the poor you despise is probably a mere $300 per annum. Geez. What a terrible burden.

The fact of the matter is that most of your tax burden goes to support the government itself, the largest percentage being military spending if I am not mistaken.

Oh, and the poor you think aren't worth $300 a year? They're the ones providing the manpower for the military. Without them, you'd likely be drafted into service.

So your $300 keeps you out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Holy shit I want whatever youre smoking dude. From the looks of this post its easily the best stuff on earth.
 
oh, sweet then. if it wasn't a a valid search warrant all of her charges would get tossed out.

oh wait, she didn't let it go that way...

You've made a number of moronic posts in this thread but so far this 1 stands out the most. The point of saying that police carry out invalid warrants means that they will search you whenever they like. If people could simply "get it tossed out" Then they wouldn't bother carrying out invalid warrants. It's extremely difficult, sometimes impossible in MOST cases to prove that a warrant was not valid.

Your quite happy to be part of a society that gives rise to perfect conditions for people to turn out the way they do. Good people that make dumb choices. But then when they get caught you use it as a chance to try and make up for your ego by saying that they deserve everything they get. You're a clueless moron, along with a few of the other dummies posting in this thread. Don't care if it's an old post.
 
Holy shit I want whatever youre smoking dude. From the looks of this post its easily the best stuff on earth.

Having a smoke with this guy would be a very good thing to be honest, because he speaks the truth. I would be willing to briefly take up smoking just to have a hit of the same stuff.
 
But forcing one person to financially support another does directly impact them. We live in an age where people love conferring these new "rights" on people -- healthcare, housing, income, education and food. But these new rights come at the expense of society's wage earners.

And here we have an illegal drug that has been shown to have a dominant (NIH's words, not mine) impact on a person's economic viability. It just seems incredibly hypocritical to me for anyone to be showering these new "rights" on the downtrodden while turning a blind eye (or even supporting the trade by using it yourself) to pot usage.

Yea because it's always such a shame when the great people of your great country have to defer their spending from the cancer research and scientific advance... I mean selfish meaningless possessions and their selfish lives etc in order to foot the bill for the bankers and federal debts brought on by corrupt... I mean all those evil people smoking that evil weed and stuff.

Clown

And before your 2 brain cells try start a fight with each other about the obvious fact that i smoke weed. I would just like to say that not only do i not smoke weed, but i don't drink or take any drugs. All i take is good food and good supplements. Insert nonsense posts below please.
 
Having a smoke with this guy would be a very good thing to be honest, because he speaks the truth. I would be willing to briefly take up smoking just to have a hit of the same stuff.

please tell me youre not talking about his post i directly quoted bor. Theres so much moonbat mentality its not even funny.
 
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