Marijuana Kills

[solarclimax]

I have never, and do not ever see myself encouraging the use of marijuana in adolescents.

I am sure there are many other legal acitivites and substances that are not good for children.

I find a tough time drawing my own lines with what is good for the group vs good for the individuals.

I think people should be able to endanger themselves and take personal risk as much as they want so long as it doesn't affect others. This is so tough though I admit because things can indirectly impact others in ways that are tough to quantify.

Of course the main point is that children should not be smoking marijuana.

But that article was complete nonsense. Lets say i made up a religion, which required every school kid to pray 3 times a day, doesn't matter if they have school or not pray is more important(gotta please god or he'll bitch slap you). But also it's common practice and socially cool to smoke this new non harmful drug that i just invented, lets say i call it TWEED. I could do a school study on "TWEED" and by the same logic used in those findings you posted, conclude that there's a very strong correlation between smoking "TWEED" and kids dropping out of school 3 times a day.

What I'm getting at is that it's not the weed that caused them kids to drop out of school it's the "Social circle" that they where involved in just happened to be a group that smoked weed. It's not the weed that's the problem but the "I'm so cool I'm gonna stay home and get fucked up instead" mentality that caused them to not go to school. You could replace the weed part of that equation with lots of other things and still get very similar findings.

Weed does appear to have that calming I'll do it later effect on some people, but i also know people who claim to get an energized feeling from weed, if you sit on your fat ass all day and eat McDonalds your gonna get that can't be assed feeling, but we don't go blaming McDonalds we tell those fat asses to loose weight instead. Should be the same for weed. I personally think all drugs are a bad thing, lots of the ones i think are bad are perfectly legal, i think in the scheme of what is bad, weed is at the bottom of the list. You need to control kids compulsions to want to get fucked up not just be a lazy ass and blame it on weed. If it wasn't weed it would be something else.
I know of people what go out to work everyday who smoke weed and there's no way you would be able to look at them and say that they smoke weed. It has zero detrimental carry over to their everyday life I have studied articles on weed, and the best evidence against it is that it may (MAY) being the word to focus on, cause psychosis and short term memory loss. The psychosis claims are brought on by the paranoia associated with the "I'm doing a bad thing" worries that some weed heads have and not because they smoked a chemical. And the short term memory loss's effects appeared to completely diminish within 1 months abstinence from smoking even in long term users.
It's a proven fact that caffeine is worse for your health than weed is.
Legalize it, and then help people cut down on it's use. Don't be a sad fuck and throw people in jail. These are other human beings that your putting in a cage. How would you like to be put in a cage. Save the cages for real bad people that belong their.

 

[solarclimax]

please tell me youre not talking about his post i directly quoted bor. Theres so much moonbat mentality its not even funny.

Feel free to post up facts that refute the guys claims.

 

[SouthernLord]

What the fuck is this shit?

 

[cryptosporidium]

i smoke tweed like er'day

 

[-SD-]

Feel free to post up facts that refute the guys claims.

Facts? How about a little common sense. By the way the onus is on him to prove his assertions are in fact true, since hes the one first making the claims.
What he is suggesting is that the money we all earn is not ours and in fact belongs to the government, which is of course false. The fact that our currency comes from the Federal Reserve means it simply originated from the Federal Reserve and is bonafide United States Currency and is "legal tender for all debts public, and private". It does not infer that the government owns the currency and can "take it back" whenever it wants. Think of it like you buying a TV made in China, that doesnt mean China can come in to your house and take your TV anytime it wants. Since the US is not on the gold standard anymore, the government cant recall all the currency that is possessed by the private sector and reimburse with gold. The government can offer this, but cant do it by force, not legally anyway. Even if we were still on the gold standard the government still cant take your money because of the following:

US Constitution Amendment IV:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

The government showing up and taking your money because they claim you never owned it in the first place is never going to happen. When you provide a product or service and are paid with United States currency, that currency is yours. If congress wants your money they have to pass a tax law specifically describing why they are taking the money. Show me the tax law that states when you earn money the currency was never yours in the first place and you have to pay rent or interest on it?

As for taxes being used to pay for "interest on currency", thats obviously false also. The government needs money for entitlements, defense, infrastructure, social security, and a million other things that have nothing to do with paying interest on any currency. The government pays interest on the national debt, which is nothing to do with any sort of interest we, as a nation, pay on our currency. We do not "rent" our money and nor pay any interest for using the currency itself. The federal budget, which is derived from all tax dollars, is open public knowledge and if we are renting our money or paying interest for the use of paper currency its the first Ive heard of it (more common sense here). The cost of physically making the currency is far less than any sort of interest or rent that would result from collecting taxes from private and corporate entities of the whole nation. This would never happen in the first place since this is a capitalist society and when someone earns money they are not going to pay interest or rent simply to have the convenience of using a national currency.

He says the taxes we pay is interest or rent on the currency, then a few sentences later says most of our taxes go to support the government itself. That is contradictory, but the second part is true.

As far as wealthy people receiving far more tax dollars than poor people, that is quantifiable only by knowing what the government tax revenues are as a whole, then defining "poor" and "wealthy", then ferreting out all social and entitlement programs that are for poor people, then dividing the amount of tax dollars the poor receive into the total tax revenues to get a percentage, then applying that percentage to all non-poor tax paying people's and entity's tax dollars to calculate the percentage of tax dollars paid by each tax paying entity to poor people, so that it is on a per capita basis.
Then do the same calculations for wealthy people and then compare the tax dollars received on a absolute basis (actual dollars, not %) and then you can compare who gets more tax dollars, wealthy or poor people.
As you can see, people who throw around conjecture to the effect of knowing that wealthy or poor people get so much more tax dollars probably dont know what theyre talking about. At least on this message board.

By the way, lestat and p0ink havent been on this board for a few years so quit wasting your breath debating with ghosts.

 

[mrplunkey]

Legalize it, and then help people cut down on it's use. Don't be a sad fuck and throw people in jail. These are other human beings that your putting in a cage. How would you like to be put in a cage. Save the cages for real bad people that belong their.

I've got a better idea. Keep it illegal, but zero jailtime for small-time possession. Oh, but make it a $10,000 mandatory minimum fine for getting caught with it. And make it a joint and several liability, collectible just like an IRS debt.

See how I killed two birds with one stone? And we can use the proceeds for enforcement to fund the war on drugs.

 

[BlueBird]

Yay, I just got Razorguns out of the red. I just hated to see him leave that red legacy with over 29,000 posts.

 

[redshirt27se]

Yay, I just got Razorguns out of the red. I just hated to see him leave that red legacy with over 29,000 posts.

lol

 

[solarclimax]

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes its laws." - Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy." - Henry Kissinger

"Tell a lie loud enough and long enough and people will believe it."
- Adolf Hitler

"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched." - George H W Bush

"A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal." - Ted Turner

"If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh

 

[solarclimax]

Superdave, even Ron Paul seems to agree with Sean Cuig, I couldn't find the recorded interview i heard with Ron Paul but i found a youtube video where he says similar things.
YouTube - Ron Paul on Federal Reserve, banking and economy

The American people are forever in debt to their own federal reserve.

As for Letstat and Pl0nka not being here, that's a good thing. And so is arguing their comment whether they're here or not.