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The Killing of Rachel Hoffman and the Tragedy That Is Pot Prohibition
By Paul Armentano, AlterNet
Posted on July 29, 2008, Printed on July 29, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/93082/

Rachel Hoffman is dead. Rachel Hoffman, like many young adults, occasionally smoked marijuana.

But Rachel Hoffman is not dead as a result of smoking marijuana; she is dead as a result of marijuana prohibition.

Under prohibition, Rachel faced up to five years in a Florida prison for possessing a small amount of marijuana. (Under state law, violators face up to a $5,000 fine and five years in prison for possession of more than 20 grams of pot.)

Under prohibition, the police in Rachel's community viewed the 23-year-old recent college graduate as nothing more than a criminal and threatened her with jail time unless she cooperated with them as an untrained, unsupervised confidential informant. Her assignment: Meet with two men she'd never met and purchase a large quantity of cocaine, ecstasy and a handgun. Rachel rendezvoused with the two men; they shot and killed her.

Under prohibition, the law enforcement officers responsible for brazenly and arrogantly placing Rachel in harm's way have failed to publicly express any remorse -- because, after all, under prohibition Rachel Hoffman was no longer a human being deserving of such sympathies.

Speaking on camera to ABC News' "20/20" last week, Tallahassee Police Chief Dennis Jones attempted to justify his department's callous and irresponsible behavior, stating, "My job as a police chief is to find these criminals in our community and to take them off the streets (and) to make the proper arrest."

But in Rachel Hoffman's case, she was not taken "off the streets," and police made no such arrest -- probably because, deep down, even they know that people like Rachel pose no imminent threat to the public. Instead, the officers on the scene secretly cut a deal with Rachel: They told her that they would not file charges if she agreed to go undercover.

Rachel became the bait; the Tallahassee police force went trolling for sharks.

In the weeks preceding Rachel's murder, police told her to remain tight-lipped about their backroom agreement -- and with good reason. The cops' on-the-spot deal with Rachel flagrantly violated Tallahassee Police Department protocol, which mandated that such an arrangement must first gain formal approval from the state prosecutor's office. Knowing that the office would likely not sign off on their deal -- Rachel was already enrolled in a drug court program from a prior pot possession charge, and cooperating with the TPD as a drug informant would be in violation of her probation -- the police simply decided to move forward with their informal arrangement and not tell anybody.

"(In) hindsight, would it have been a good idea to let the state attorney know? Yes," Jones feebly told "20/20." Damn right it would have been; Rachel Hoffman would still be alive.

But don't expect Jones or any of the other officers who violated the department's code of conduct -- violations that resulted in the death of another human being -- to face repercussions for their actions. Obeying the rules is merely "a good idea" for those assigned with enforcing them. On the other hand, for people like Rachel, violating those rules can be a death sentence.

Of course, to those of us who work in marijuana law reform, we witness firsthand every day the adverse consequences wrought by marijuana prohibition -- a policy that has led to the arrest of nearly 10 million young people since 1990. To us, the sad tale of Rachel Hoffman marks neither the beginning nor the end of our ongoing efforts to bring needed "reefer sanity" to America's criminal justice system. It is simply another chapter in the ongoing and tragic saga that is marijuana prohibition.
 
Utterly disgusting. My outrage-o-meter is hitting red :mad:

Christ it's only pot. Legalise, distribute and tax the fuck out of it already.

She'd of gotten in to less trouble if she'd gotten liquored up and knocked down a couple of people in her car.
 
stosstruppe said:
Utterly disgusting. My outrage-o-meter is hitting red :mad:

Christ it's only pot. Legalise, distribute and tax the fuck out of it already.

She'd of gotten in to less trouble if she'd gotten liquored up and knocked down a couple of people in her car.
I agree man, the laws are fucked up when it comes to pot.
 
never work as a rat when dealing with people importing large amounts of cocaine,,,bad stuff happens.
 
p0ink said:
never work as a rat when dealing with people importing large amounts of cocaine,,,bad stuff happens.
never work as a rat, period.
 
something isn't adding up here.

they say she was busted with a 'small amount' of marijuana, but they never say how much that small amount is.

if you got busted with a few grams do you honestly think the police would tell you to infiltrate some cocaine ring to bring the 'bad guys' in? i don't think so.

there has to be more to this story.

and secondly, she was incredibly fucking stupid for actually agreeing to do so. if you ever get caught by the police YOU DO NOT TELL THEM SHIT. you simply inquire as to whether or not you are under arrest, if so you tell them you will not be making any statements or answering any questions until you have a lawyer present.
 
p0ink said:
something isn't adding up here.

they say she was busted with a 'small amount' of marijuana, but they never say how much that small amount is.

if you got busted with a few grams do you honestly think the police would tell you to infiltrate some cocaine ring to bring the 'bad guys' in? i don't think so.

there has to be more to this story.

and secondly, she was incredibly fucking stupid for actually agreeing to do so. if you ever get caught by the police YOU DO NOT TELL THEM SHIT. you simply inquire as to whether or not you are under arrest, if so you tell them you will not be making any statements or answering any questions until you have a lawyer present.

guess what? you're wrong.

in florida anything under an ounce is considered a "small amount". anythign over is considered intent to distribute
 
p0ink said:
something isn't adding up here.

they say she was busted with a 'small amount' of marijuana, but they never say how much that small amount is.

if you got busted with a few grams do you honestly think the police would tell you to infiltrate some cocaine ring to bring the 'bad guys' in? i don't think so.

there has to be more to this story.

and secondly, she was incredibly fucking stupid for actually agreeing to do so. if you ever get caught by the police YOU DO NOT TELL THEM SHIT. you simply inquire as to whether or not you are under arrest, if so you tell them you will not be making any statements or answering any questions until you have a lawyer present.
she had more than 20 grams, which is still under an ounce. an ounce of weed is not much at all.
 
calveless wonder said:
guess what? you're wrong.

in florida anything under an ounce is considered a "small amount". anythign over is considered intent to distribute

lol @what is considered large amount then. half the population would be intending to distribute, if this were cali law.
 
calveless wonder said:
guess what? you're wrong.

in florida anything under an ounce is considered a "small amount". anythign over is considered intent to distribute

guess what? you're wrong.

based on the potential fines and punishment listed in this article, she was holding more than 20g's of weed...

20 g or less misdemeanor 1 year $1,000
More than 20 g felony 5 years $5,000
25 or more plants (formerly 300 plants) felony 15 years $10,000

so, she could have had a shit ton of weed meaning 'intent to distribute'

either which way, she is dumb for cooperating.
 
she was scarred to do time but so is everyone else that gets busted... the fact thats she is female, i am willing to show slightly more sympathy than a male snitch. but she fucked up and so did the cops... fuk snitchin!
 
Lestat said:
she had more than 20 grams, which is still under an ounce. an ounce of weed is not much at all.


yeah, she could have had anywhere from 20.01 grams to 20,000 lbs. who knows? the 'journalist' clearly did not do their job and/or had a motive for omitting that fact.

but yes, i do agree the WOD is an affront to the constitution and the american way of life.

i just dont like being told half the story...and i really don't like snitches.
 
p0ink said:
guess what? you're wrong.

based on the potential fines and punishment listed in this article, she was holding more than 20g's of weed...

20 g or less misdemeanor 1 year $1,000
More than 20 g felony 5 years $5,000
25 or more plants (formerly 300 plants) felony 15 years $10,000

so, she could have had a shit ton of weed meaning 'intent to distribute'

either which way, she is dumb for cooperating.

ouch, i am lol. i think the law changed in the past few years
 
and 20g's or less is only a misdemeanor...no one does jail for those. all she would have to do is pay a small fine and do some community service.

'oh god? i might have to work with old people for free? can't i just help you guys bring down some cocaine kingpins instead?'
 
p0ink said:
and 20g's or less is only a misdemeanor...no one does jail for those. all she would have to do is pay a small fine and do some community service.

'oh god? i might have to work with old people for free? can't i just help you guys bring down some cocaine kingpins instead?'

yes but the cops fucked her head up. they told her how she could help herself if she cooperated. not knowing that the cops dont have shit to say about it. it comes down to the attorneys.
 
oh, oh...wait.

after some digging around on the internet, turns out ol' Rachel Hoffman was busted with both x and 6 ounces of weed in her apartment. so, rather than just taking the potential consequences, she decides to get other people thrown in jail. nice.

lessons:

1. don't be a drug dealer (6 ounces and x tabs are not all for personal use)
2. don't sell drugs to women (they will sell you out to the police)
3. if you are busted by the police, always consult a lawyer and keep your mouth shut
4. don't volunteer to become an informant, you might get killed
 
So, she's a repeat offender that was going to snitch on some people selling large amounts of blow and guns and I'm supposed to feel bad because it happened to be weed that she was caught with?

Nah. I'm good.
 
From the only experiences I've had with Florida cops, I think they are all a bunch of fucking idiots.
 
the original article made it sound like she was just a casual user who only chose to smoke a doob at concerts and what not.

yeah...

somewhere along the line, rachel went from casual user to dealer. she was either getting too big/greedy, too sloppy, or she decided to sell to other women (who eventually sold her out), because the police executed a search warrant on her apartment.

i bet she was a total fucking bad ass, too...especially in her own mind. i mean, after all, she was a 'drug dealer' who was moving 'serious weight'.

yeah, good job.
 
Rachel Hoffman was a friend of mine in Tallahassee. Local cops were so crooked they refused to let her talk to a lawyer and made her meet two cocaine and gun dealers who she had never met before. She was the most innocent looking girl and the two knew it was a setup. The two guys changed the buy location at the last minute and cops had no idea where she was. They murdered her and afterwards cop tried to cover it up. F*cking Tallahassee pigs. Her parents are on the warpath and are going to crucify local law enforcement.
 
Hmm, the article did indeed create the impression she was just a casual user with an amount for personal usage (read; I didn't bother reading it all).

Glad there's one less Pablo Escobar on the streets now though!!1
 
did she sell drugs to you? she was obviously selling to someone...why else would they have executed a search warrant on her apartment?
 
jboy45 said:
Rachel Hoffman was a friend of mine in Tallahassee. Local cops were so crooked they refused to let her talk to a lawyer and made her meet two cocaine and gun dealers who she had never met before. She was the most innocent looking girl and the two knew it was a setup. The two guys changed the buy location at the last minute and cops had no idea where she was. They murdered her and afterwards cop tried to cover it up. F*cking Tallahassee pigs. Her parents are on the warpath and are going to crucify local law enforcement.


yeeeah..
 
p0ink said:
did she sell drugs to you? she was obviously selling to someone...why else would they have executed a search warrant on her apartment?

lol @ police only executing valid warrants
 
enigma4dub said:
lol @ police only executing valid warrants

oh, sweet then. if it wasn't a a valid search warrant all of her charges would get tossed out.

oh wait, she didn't let it go that way...
 
p0ink said:
oh, sweet then. if it wasn't a a valid search warrant all of her charges would get tossed out.

oh wait, she didn't let it go that way...

no excuses for her, but she could have been blazing in her apartment. a neighbor calls, they dig around in her trash and boom warrant.
 
Lestat said:
The Killing of Rachel Hoffman and the Tragedy That Is Pot Prohibition
By Paul Armentano, AlterNet
Posted on July 29, 2008, Printed on July 29, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/93082/

Rachel Hoffman is dead. Rachel Hoffman, like many young adults, occasionally smoked marijuana.

But Rachel Hoffman is not dead as a result of smoking marijuana; she is dead as a result of marijuana prohibition.

Under prohibition, Rachel faced up to five years in a Florida prison for possessing a small amount of marijuana. (Under state law, violators face up to a $5,000 fine and five years in prison for possession of more than 20 grams of pot.)

Under prohibition, the police in Rachel's community viewed the 23-year-old recent college graduate as nothing more than a criminal and threatened her with jail time unless she cooperated with them as an untrained, unsupervised confidential informant. Her assignment: Meet with two men she'd never met and purchase a large quantity of cocaine, ecstasy and a handgun. Rachel rendezvoused with the two men; they shot and killed her.

Under prohibition, the law enforcement officers responsible for brazenly and arrogantly placing Rachel in harm's way have failed to publicly express any remorse -- because, after all, under prohibition Rachel Hoffman was no longer a human being deserving of such sympathies.

Speaking on camera to ABC News' "20/20" last week, Tallahassee Police Chief Dennis Jones attempted to justify his department's callous and irresponsible behavior, stating, "My job as a police chief is to find these criminals in our community and to take them off the streets (and) to make the proper arrest."

But in Rachel Hoffman's case, she was not taken "off the streets," and police made no such arrest -- probably because, deep down, even they know that people like Rachel pose no imminent threat to the public. Instead, the officers on the scene secretly cut a deal with Rachel: They told her that they would not file charges if she agreed to go undercover.

Rachel became the bait; the Tallahassee police force went trolling for sharks.

In the weeks preceding Rachel's murder, police told her to remain tight-lipped about their backroom agreement -- and with good reason. The cops' on-the-spot deal with Rachel flagrantly violated Tallahassee Police Department protocol, which mandated that such an arrangement must first gain formal approval from the state prosecutor's office. Knowing that the office would likely not sign off on their deal -- Rachel was already enrolled in a drug court program from a prior pot possession charge, and cooperating with the TPD as a drug informant would be in violation of her probation -- the police simply decided to move forward with their informal arrangement and not tell anybody.

"(In) hindsight, would it have been a good idea to let the state attorney know? Yes," Jones feebly told "20/20." Damn right it would have been; Rachel Hoffman would still be alive.

But don't expect Jones or any of the other officers who violated the department's code of conduct -- violations that resulted in the death of another human being -- to face repercussions for their actions. Obeying the rules is merely "a good idea" for those assigned with enforcing them. On the other hand, for people like Rachel, violating those rules can be a death sentence.

Of course, to those of us who work in marijuana law reform, we witness firsthand every day the adverse consequences wrought by marijuana prohibition -- a policy that has led to the arrest of nearly 10 million young people since 1990. To us, the sad tale of Rachel Hoffman marks neither the beginning nor the end of our ongoing efforts to bring needed "reefer sanity" to America's criminal justice system. It is simply another chapter in the ongoing and tragic saga that is marijuana prohibition.

Many people who work in Tallahassee live none around the city. You should see what happens in the morning there. It's like a mass population gain and after work it's a mass exodus. Many people avoid the city due to run-ins with the police. They have high pull-over and ticketing practices. Stupid shit like left turns on yellow , they pull over commonly. These people are majorly over zealous IMHO.

I'm not surprised their actions have gotten people killed
 
gjohnson5 said:
Tallahassee police are not like regular city police. This is a whole 'nother level were talking about here

That's right! They pull-over people turning left on yellow!
 
p0ink said:
something isn't adding up here.

they say she was busted with a 'small amount' of marijuana, but they never say how much that small amount is.

if you got busted with a few grams do you honestly think the police would tell you to infiltrate some cocaine ring to bring the 'bad guys' in? i don't think so.

there has to be more to this story.

and secondly, she was incredibly fucking stupid for actually agreeing to do so. if you ever get caught by the police YOU DO NOT TELL THEM SHIT. you simply inquire as to whether or not you are under arrest, if so you tell them you will not be making any statements or answering any questions until you have a lawyer present.
unfortunately most people dont know how police operate, nor what the law really is. police commonly lie to scare the shit out of people regarding trivial offenses, especially drug ones, just to get them talking

this theory fits as neatly as does her being a drug dealer
 
GoldenDelicious said:
unfortunately most people dont know how police operate, nor what the law really is. police commonly lie to scare the shit out of people regarding trivial offenses, especially drug ones, just to get them talking

this theory fits as neatly as does her being a drug dealer

ok, no one has 6 ounces on them unless they are selling. that is a shitload of weed and way too much to smoke for just one person. also, how else do you propose the police found out? ESP? she had to be doing some wheeling and dealing.

secondly, if you choose to become a dealer of any sorts, you better have a very basic understanding of the law, at least.

come on, this isn't that hard.
 
p0ink said:
ok, no one has 6 ounces on them unless they are selling. that is a shitload of weed and way too much to smoke for just one person. also, how else do you propose the police found out? ESP? she had to be doing some wheeling and dealing.

secondly, if you choose to become a dealer of any sorts, you better have a very basic understanding of the law, at least.

come on, this isn't that hard.
oh. sorry bro, i missed the post that said that. oops lol

although i will say that i know a few people that grow their own (no selling) and have multiple ounces at any one time
 
redsamurai said:
disgusting............those cops should be shot as they dine with their families, it's only fair.
meh, did you read poink's posts/
misleading article to say the least
 
I can see why some would think the article is misleading, but does it make it ok for the cops to illegally setup the girl to get killed?
 
Lestat said:
I can see why some would think the article is misleading, but does it make it ok for the cops to illegally setup the girl to get killed?
that is a different matter, unrelated, imo, to weed.
the article makes it seem like a casual weed head was gunned down in the streets strictly cause she smoked 'erb
 
Lestat said:
I can see why some would think the article is misleading, but does it make it ok for the cops to illegally setup the girl to get killed?

there is nothing illegal about making a perp become an informant. unethical, maybe...but not illegal.

they just put the bait out there and she took it.

the real crime here was that an american, especially one who was selling drugs, didn't have a basic understanding of her constitutional rights.
 
Bino said:
that is a different matter, unrelated, imo, to weed.
the article makes it seem like a casual weed head was gunned down in the streets strictly cause she smoked 'erb
I didn't get that out of it.

she was busted for a minor crime, coerced into getting into something deep, paid ultimate price.
 
p0ink said:
there is nothing illegal about making a perp become an informant. unethical, maybe...but not illegal.

they just put the bait out there and she took it.

the real crime here was that an american, especially one who was selling drugs, didn't have a basic understanding of her constitutional rights.
what the cops did, in this case, was illegal.
 
Lestat said:
I didn't get that out of it.

she was busted for a minor crime, coerced into getting into something deep, paid ultimate price.
playing a dangerous game being a snitch
always gonna be a risk there, shoulda done the time
 
Lestat said:
what the cops did, in this case, was illegal.

according to whom?

on whether or not they should charge her with a crime, that is up to the DA. apparently he had no knowledge of the case...so, in that respect, they fucked up.

asking her to become an informant, on the other hand, is not illegal.

and again, 6 ounces isn't exactly a small amount....and it isn't a large amount, either. however, it is more than enough to be considered distribution...and we're not even talking about the ecstasy she had on her.

6 ounces = 48 1/8th's...definitely not for personal use.
 
p0ink said:
according to whom?

on whether or not they should charge her with a crime, that is up to the DA. apparently he had no knowledge of the case...so, in that respect, they fucked up.

asking her to become an informant, on the other hand, is not illegal.

and again, 6 ounces isn't exactly a small amount....and it isn't a large amount, either. however, it is more than enough to be considered distribution...and we're not even talking about the ecstasy she had on her.

6 ounces = 48 1/8th's...definitely not for personal use.
The cops didn't follow protocol for turing someone into an undercover informant. I am sure you agree this sort of thing carries a great deal of risk with it, and two police officers and their zealous seargant can't make the decision to do such a thing, let alone carry it all out on their own. The FBI and CIA trains pretty seriously for this stuff, I know most local precinct don't. Cocaine dealers generally aren't the type to be triffled with, life is expendable, at least to the dealers worth arresting.

This girl had some weed and some x, hardly something to put her life on the line for.
 
This has nothing to do with marijuana.

So they offered her a trade to do this for a reducation in sentence.

This is nothing new. Mafia members are offered these trades by the Feds all the time.

So could've said no and taken her punishment by a judge.

Do we cry over a mobster who dies in a screwed up undercover bust? Or is this simply because she's a young female? Justice is not supposed to work differently based upon age, sex.

Also she had a shitty lawyer if he allowed her to do this. I sure has hell would nto have agreed to this.

r
 
Razorguns said:
This has nothing to do with marijuana.

So they offered her a trade to do this for a reducation in sentence.

This is nothing new. Mafia members are offered these trades by the Feds all the time.

So could've said no and taken her punishment by a judge.

Do we cry over a mobster who dies in a screwed up undercover bust? Or is this simply because she's a young female? Justice is not supposed to work differently based upon age, sex.

Also she had a shitty lawyer if he allowed her to do this. I sure has hell would nto have agreed to this.

r
The officers would not let her speak to a lawyer before making her decision.
 
Razorguns said:
This has nothing to do with marijuana.

So they offered her a trade to do this for a reducation in sentence.

This is nothing new. Mafia members are offered these trades by the Feds all the time.

So could've said no and taken her punishment by a judge.

Do we cry over a mobster who dies in a screwed up undercover bust? Or is this simply because she's a young female? Justice is not supposed to work differently based upon age, sex.

Also she had a shitty lawyer if he allowed her to do this. I sure has hell would nto have agreed to this.

r
in a haze of weed smoke r is the voice of reason
 
Lestat said:
The officers would not let her speak to a lawyer before making her decision.

Stop taking everything you read in biased articles as truth. You should know better.

r
 
thats fucked.


i'm glad i live in a decriminalized state. up to 2 ounces is only a misdemeanor and a fine here.


thats like 10 years in florida.
 
If she tried to snitch on her friends, breaking a code of the street --- yeah she would be killed.

Imagine trying that on the crips or the MS-13 or the Hells Angels. RIP my friend.

r
 
i dont know why they would use a chick as an informant for coke and arms dealers..


99% chance after the transaction she is going to

A) get robbed
B) get raped
C) get killed


for all we know, all 3 happened. so fucking dumb.
 
redshirt27se said:
i dont know why they would use a chick as an informant for coke and arms dealers..


99% chance after the transaction she is going to

A) get robbed
B) get raped
C) get killed


for all we know, all 3 happened. so fucking dumb.

the cops simply gave her the option; she is the one who chose to do it.
 
p0ink said:
the cops simply gave her the option; she is the one who chose to do it.
i realize that. it was dumb for her to accept, and it was equally stupid for them to offer it to her.


if i sell yay and guns, and some random chick approaches me to buy both, i'm going to immediately assume she is a snitch.
 
still... i don't understand the outpouring of sympathy here...especially from lestat

lestat, how would you feel if she got busted but told the police you were holding some weed just so she could get off?
 
p0ink said:
still... i don't understand the outpouring of sympathy here...especially from lestat

lestat, how would you feel if she got busted but told the police you were holding some weed just so she could get off?
I would think she was a bitch!

I wouldn't want to kill her though.

She didn't snitch out some small time pot user though, she was coerced into trying to land some hardcore coke dealers.
 
p0ink said:
the cops simply gave her the option; she is the one who chose to do it.
I doubt there was anything "simple" about the offer bro. They probably told her the maximum penalties she faced and that cooperating would make all her troubles go away. Do you really think they mentioned that she could be killed or that cooperation would put her life at risk?
 
Lestat said:
I doubt there was anything "simple" about the offer bro. They probably told her the maximum penalties she faced and that cooperating would make all her troubles go away. Do you really think they mentioned that she could be killed or that cooperation would put her life at risk?


Do you really think she was dumb enough to not know that buying blow and guns isn't safe?
 
jnevin said:
Do you really think she was dumb enough to not know that buying blow and guns isn't safe?
I can only speculate, but I would imagine the police said "we'll be right there in case anything goes wrong, at the first sign of trouble we'll bust in there... blah blah blah"
 
Lestat said:
I can only speculate, but I would imagine the police said "we'll be right there in case anything goes wrong, at the first sign of trouble we'll bust in there... blah blah blah"


I'm sure this happens with every informant. She panicked and was doing what she wanted to do. She was going to set up coke and gun dealers to try to save her skin. She knew the risk. I also don't buy the whole cops denying her counsel. They probably just acted like it'd complicate things and would only make things worse for her as far as the charges went. Cops always do that. It's the same thing as when they ask you if you have shit in the car that you shouldn't. If you say no and they find it, they'll throw the book at you. She knew how much trouble she was in, we don't. It just didn't turn out so well.
 
jnevin said:
I'm sure this happens with every informant. She panicked and was doing what she wanted to do. She was going to set up coke and gun dealers to try to save her skin. She knew the risk. I also don't buy the whole cops denying her counsel. They probably just acted like it'd complicate things and would only make things worse for her as far as the charges went. Cops always do that. It's the same thing as when they ask you if you have shit in the car that you shouldn't. If you say no and they find it, they'll throw the book at you. She knew how much trouble she was in, we don't. It just didn't turn out so well.
I guess its the "how much trouble" she was in that I take issue with.

To me this is like taking a speeder or jay walker and putting their life at risk to avoid some punishment for a non violent and victimless crime.

I don't absolve her of any blame, but the point is, she's not alive now to take the blame.
 
Lestat said:
I guess its the "how much trouble" she was in that I take issue with.

To me this is like taking a speeder or jay walker and putting their life at risk to avoid some punishment for a non violent and victimless crime.

I don't absolve her of any blame, but the point is, she's not alive now to take the blame.


Well bro, she was a repeat drug offender that was caught with pot and extacy. The fact that some people don't agree with our controlled substance laws doesn't make her actions legal.
 
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Updated: Rachel Hoffman facing multiple felony charges when agreed to help police
By Angeline J. Taylor and Nic Corbett • DEMOCRAT STAFF WRITERS • May 9, 2008

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Updated 6:18 p.m.
When the slain Tallahassee woman Rachel Hoffman agreed to assist police in Wednesday’s buy-bust operation, she was facing multiple felony charges and was in a diversion program for possession of more than 20 grams of marijuana, said Tallahassee Police Chief Dennis Jones in a news conference today.

“It is not unusual to have known drug dealers or users offer to assist police in narcotics investigations,” Jones said. “Rachel was no exception.”

Hoffman was facing charges of possession of ecstasy with intent to sell, possession of controlled substance with intent to sell, maintaining a drug house and possession of drug paraphernalia, he said.

She agreed to buy 1,500 pills of ecstasy, 2 ounces of cocaine or crack cocaine and a gun from two men who are now suspected of kidnapping and robbing her.

“Unfortunately, Rachel chose to ignore precautions established in a previous briefing as well as the direction of her case agent,” Jones said.

Hoffman left the Forestmeadows Park area, where several police officers were watching her, to go meet Andrea J. Green and Deneilo Bradshaw.

Police tried to stop her, but were unsuccessful, said police spokesman Officer David McCranie. It’s not clear how they lost sight of her or where she went.

Murder charges against Green and Bradshaw are pending, officials said.


updated 2:55 p.m.
The best friend of slain Tallahassee woman Rachel Hoffman remembered her as fun-loving and smart.

"She was everything -- smart, incredibly bright and intuitive," said Jessica Weinstock, who went to Florida State University with Hoffman. "She also really loved to have fun."

Hoffman, who was working with the Tallahassee Police Department's vice unit in an investigation, went missing Wednesday night near Forestmeadows Park. Investigators found her body today in rural Taylor County. Two men have been arrested in connection with her disappearance.

Hoffman and Weinstock used to go to the Beta Bar, the Warehouse and other bars and clubs to see live bands. She had two cats, named Jimi Hendrix and Bentley.

"She loved music -- we loved going to shows and festivals, anything that was an excuse to go on a road trip," Weinstock said.

"She was a pool shark," Weinstock said. "She could beat anybody at pool."

Weinstock, who now lives in Miami, last saw her best friend the weekend of April 26, when their friends were graduating from Florida State University. They ate sushi at a local restaurant before Weinstock left for the airport. They decided Hoffman would come down the next time a good band was in Miami.

"I'm just devastated to lose her," Weinstock said.

updated 2:10 p.m.
David McCranie, spokesman for the Tallahassee Police Department, said today that Rachel Hoffman was cooperating with TPD's vice unit in an investigation when she went missing Wednesday.

Hoffman's body was found about 7 a.m. this morning in rural Taylor County.

Two suspects in her death, Andrea J. Green and Deneilo Bradshaw, led investigators to the scene. Authorities are seeking murder charges against them.

"Miss Hoffman is a good person," McCranie said in a news conference this morning. "She was cooperating in an investigation with the Tallahassee Police Department's vice unit.

"We had established protocols in place to ensure her safety," McCranie continued. "At some point during the investigation, she chose not to follow the instructions. She met Green and Bradshaw on her own. That meeting ultimately resulted in her murder."

McCranie said the cause of death isn't yet known. Investigators, including agents with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, are still processing the crime scene in Taylor County.

Hoffman's family was notified this morning of her death, McCranie said.

"The family's obviously suffering," he said. "They are our primary concern right now. Our hearts go out to them."

Green and Bradshaw are expected to be booked today into the Leon County Jail.

updated 11:55 a.m.
Tallahassee police have confirmed that Rachel Hoffman, a 23-year-old woman who went missing Wednesday, has been found dead in rural Taylor County.

Two suspects in her death, Andrea J. Green and Deneilo Bradshaw, led investigators to the scene, said David McCranie, spokesman for the Tallahassee Police Department.

"They led us to Miss Hoffman's body," McCranie said in a news conference late this morning. "She is deceased."

Hoffman, a Florida State University graduate, disappeared Wednesday night near Forestmeadows Park on North Meridian Road.

She had been working with TPD's narcotics unit in an investigation. However, she went outside TPD safety protocols, McCranie said.

"She met with Green and Bradshaw on her own," McCranie said today. "And that meeting ultimately resulted in her murder."

McCranie described Hoffman as a "good person."

"The family's obviously suffering," he said.

Agents with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement arrested Green and Bradshaw Thursday in Orlando on charges of kidnapping and armed robbery. They were flown to the Tallahassee area this morning.

More charges against them are pending, McCranie said.

Hoffman's body was found about 7 a.m.

Hoffman served three days in Leon County Jail this year, from April 4 to April 6, for failure to appear in court, according to court records.

That sentence stems from her arrest last year on a charge of possessing more than 20 grams of marijuana, a felony.

She was arrested after being pulled over for speeding on Feb. 22, 2007. The arresting officer found 25.7 grams of cannabis in her car, court records show. Hoffman was sentenced to probation, community service, and she was required to attend a drug-rehabilitation program.

Green, of Perry, spent nearly nine months in prison from 2004 to 2005 for selling marijuana and aggravated assault in Taylor County, according to the Florida Department of Corrections.

TPD is expected to have another news conference at 4 p.m. in Tallahassee.

updated 11:45 a.m.
The body of Rachel Hoffman was found this morning in rural Taylor County.

Two suspects in her death led investigators to her body.

updated 10:40 a.m.
A hearse has gone to the scene in rural Taylor County where law-enforcement officers have been searching for missing 23-year-old Rachel Hoffman.

The hearse was from Bevis Funeral Home. There's still no word on whether Hoffman was found.

Willie Meggs, state attorney for the 2nd Judicial District, visited the scene this morning.

Investigators have gathered near Cabbage Grove Road in Taylor County. The area is marked by dirt roads, rolling hills and cow pastures. Members of the media have not been allowed near the search area.

Hoffman, a Florida State University graduate, went missing Wednesday night while assisting Tallahassee police in an investigation.

Two men, Andrea J. Green and Deneilo Bradshaw, were arrested Thursday in Orlando on charges of kidnapping and armed robbery in connection with Hoffman's disappearance. They were arrested by agents with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

updated 10 a.m.
Law-enforcement officers have moved from Jefferson County to rural Taylor County as part of their search for missing 23-year-old Rachel Hoffman.

Jefferson County Sheriff David Hobbs said investigators have made a discovery, but he declined to elaborate.

The scene is off County Road 257 about 12-15 miles south of Lamont, Hobbs said.

Check back with Tallahassee.com for more on this breaking story.

Updated 9:24 a.m.
An update by investigators on the search for missing 23-year-old Rachel Hoffman is expected later this morning.

David McCranie, spokesman for the Tallahassee Police Department, said he will be talking with members of the media about 11 a.m. in Jefferson County.

Law-enforcement officers have been searching a rural site near Wacissa for Hoffman, who disappeared Wednesday night while assisting Tallahassee police in an investigation.

There's still no word on whether Hoffman, a Florida State University graduate, has been found.

Two men, Andrea J. Green and Deneilo Bradshaw, were arrested Thursday in Orlando on charges of kidnapping and armed robbery in connection with Hoffman's disappearance. They were arrested by agents with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

Updated 8:39 a.m.
The Tallahassee Police Department has blocked off a road in rural Jefferson County where investigators are concentrating their efforts to find a missing 23-year-old woman.

Officers are restricting access to Thomas City Road near Wacissa to law-enforcement and emergency vehicles.

Officers are not letting members of the media near the search scene. There's still no word on whether Rachel Hoffman has been found.

Meanwhile, Hoffman's father said he is offering a $150,000 reward for the safe return of his daughter.

“This is my daughter," said Irv Hoffman of Palm Harbor. "My heart’s broken. We just want Rachel home safely."

Hoffman was at his daughter's apartment in Tallahassee this morning.

Rachel Hoffman, a Florida State University graduate, went missing Wednesday night while assisting Tallahassee police in an investigation.

Two men have been arrested on kidnapping and armed-robbery charges in connection with her disappearance. They are Andrea J. Green and Deneilo Bradshaw. Both were arrested in Orlando by agents with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

Updated 7:20 a.m.
Investigators are looking for a 23-year-old missing woman in rural Jefferson County.

They've gathered off a dirt road in the Wacissa area in hopes of finding Rachel Hoffman, who went missing Wednesday while assisting Tallahassee police officers with an operation.

"We're hoping for the best," said Jefferson County Sheriff David Hobbs, who was on his way to the scene this morning.

A reporter and photographer have been sent to the scene.

Check back with Tallahassee.com for more on this breaking story.

morning update
Two men were arrested Thursday afternoon in connection with the kidnapping and armed robbery of a Tallahassee woman who went missing after assisting in a police operation.

Andrea J. Green, 25, and Deneilo Bradshaw were arrested at 5 p.m. by Florida Department of Law Enforcement agents in Orlando, according to the Tallahassee Police Department.

There is no word on 23-year-old Rachel Morningstar Hoffman, who was last seen about 7 p.m. Wednesday near Forestmeadows Park in northeast Tallahassee. She is 5-foot-7, weighs 135 pounds and was last seen wearing a green V-neck shirt, black skirt with multiple colors on the bottom and black flip flops.

"The department continues the investigation in an attempt to determine the exact circumstances of her disappearance," TPD released in a statement.

Police have been using helicopters and other resources to search for her, said Officer David McCranie, TPD spokesman. That search has extended to Taylor County. Agencies assisting in the manhunt include: the Leon County Sheriff's Office, Perry Police Department, the Drug Enforcement Agency, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office and the Taylor County Sheriff's Office.

"We want her found safe and sound as much as her family does," McCranie said. "We are working all night long. We have officers rotating shifts, commanders rotating shifts and we have thrown a great deal of resources into locating the suspects and Ms. Hoffman."

Authorities found Hoffman's 2005 silver Volvo sedan about midday Thursday at United Welding Services, 606 Industrial Park Drive, in Perry. No one was inside the car.

Police set up a field post at the Meadows Soccer Complex at Elinor Klapp-Phipps Park as part of its search for the missing woman. The complex is next door to Forestmeadows on North Meridian Road. About a dozen police vehicles patrolled the area in hopes of finding Hoffman or her car.

Local residents who work or exercise at the Forestmeadows Park & Athletic Center were shocked Wednesday morning to hear about the missing woman.

Linda Talbot, who works at the front desk at the center said the news made her nervous.

"I was in shock because I see this as a safe place where people play tennis, and children play here," Talbot said.

Talbot said she was considering working the night shift — the athletic facility stays open until 10 p.m. on weekdays — but now she's changed her mind.

"You never know what could happen in any place," she said.

But Tallahassee police said park-goers shouldn't be nervous because it was an "isolated incident."

"There's no reason for the public to be concerned for their general safety in terms of being in public places or parks," McCranie said.

Paul Beckham, who goes to the center almost every day to practice his tennis for the "Golden Boys" senior league, said nothing like this happens in this area.

"Well, I sure hope they come up with something," Beckham said. "People don't go missing often here."

Hoffman graduated from Florida State University last August with a bachelor's degree in psychology. Her hometown is Clearwater, according to her Facebook Web page. She lives on the east side of Tallahassee.

Shaina Hale, a friend of Hoffman's, said Hoffman is planning to attend culinary school in Arizona in the fall.

"Rachel is one of the sweetest girls ever," she said.

Hoffman and the men arrested in Orlando all have criminal records. Hoffman was arrested in February 2007 and entered drug court for possession of more than 20 grams of marijuana and resisting arrest without violence, according to court records. Bradshaw was arrested in April and May 2007 for possession of marijuana.

Green, of Perry, spent nearly nine months in prison from 2004 to 2005 for selling marijuana and aggravated assault in Taylor County, according to the Florida Department of Corrections.
 
Unbelievable that cops are able to pressure people like that. Note to self: Never talk to cops in the USA.





b0und (holy shit!)
 
b0und said:
Unbelievable that cops are able to pressure people like that. Note to self: Never talk to cops in the USA.





b0und (holy shit!)

surely usa isn't the only country to cut deals with criminals
 
I'd say even up to a pound could be for personal use. I like to stockpile and save to prevent the need to aquire frequently.
 
Lestat said:
I'd say even up to a pound could be for personal use. I like to stockpile and save to prevent the need to aquire frequently.

if you are smoking a pound on your own, you have some serious problems.
 
Lestat said:
I'd say even up to a pound could be for personal use. I like to stockpile and save to prevent the need to aquire frequently.

no. just no. a pound is not for personal use.
 
Does it not bother people that when they buy pot they are also supporting a vicious group of drug distributors?
 
mrplunkey said:
Does it not bother people that when they buy pot they are also supporting a vicious group of drug distributors?


wait, I thought everyone up the line was just like my hippie neighbor.
 
juiceddreadlocks said:
wait, I thought everyone up the line was just like my hippie neighbor.

I see a terrible inconsistency here. Several posters on this thread will often do eloquent posts about paying more taxes or making other sacrifices for the greater good. But then when it hits near and dear to home with something like an illegal (yeah, its still illegal) drug like pot, their only answer is to legalize it. Why wouldn't they simply drop the illegal habit for the greater good? Think of that small percentage of people who do get psychologically addicted to pot. And even worse, what about that small percentage of people who use pot as a gateway drug and develop harder drug addictions? Sure the percentages who become dependent or use pot as a gateway are very small, but so are the number of uninsurable people... and the number of homeless... and the number of truly disabled. Why should one group of people (taxpayers) suffer for the greater good yet another group of people (pot users) not sacrifice? Isn't pot supposed to be this casual, take-it-or-leave-it drug anyway? Seems like if you can't simply brush it off for the greater good, you might be one of those very few who have more trouble with it than you think.
 
Plunk, I'm not sure if you were using my post as an excuse to posture or if it was directed at me... Either way I dont smoke pot/weed/mj/whatever, I just laughed thinking about my hippie (super liberal) neighbor supporting a bunch of AK47 wielding thugs or unfriendly foreign regimes.

I see your point, but I'm going to guess those same people will take what you said and spin it around to say you're interfering with their daily lives unfairly.
 
juiceddreadlocks said:
Plunk, I'm not sure if you were using my post as an excuse to posture or if it was directed at me... Either way I dont smoke pot/weed/mj/whatever, I just laughed thinking about my hippie (super liberal) neighbor supporting a bunch of AK47 wielding thugs or unfriendly foreign regimes.

I see your point, but I'm going to guess those same people will take what you said and spin it around to say you're interfering with their daily lives unfairly.

It was just posturing. I'm in the same boat. Weed just doesn't do it for me -- it kills my initiative and also inhibits my ability to do more complex work.

And yeah, I've thought about the whole "interfering with their lives unfairly" argument and that seems kind of ridiculous when they're advocating confiscating 45%-55% of someone's income for their version of the greater good. Now *that* is interfering with someone's life unfairly.
 
stosstruppe said:
Buying drugs finances terrorism as well.

Yup, you're helping support the blowing-up of judges and politicians as well.
 
enigma4dub said:
you should do your homework. my prescription allows for much more actually.

and how exactly did you get a script for mm? i agree with the medical marijuana laws being passed 100%...however, since california is giving away scripts for everything from AIDS to sprained ankles...bad shit is going to happen.

why do you think there has been more and more interference by the feds?

i'm not saying i necessarily disagree with any adult being able to smoke marijuana..i'm just saying it brings down too much heat.

so why did you get a script?
 
interference by the feds is because of the policies of the current president and attorney general. which god willing is going to stop if we get a democrat in office.

my prescription is for pain management.
 
mrplunkey said:
I see a terrible inconsistency here. Several posters on this thread will often do eloquent posts about paying more taxes or making other sacrifices for the greater good. But then when it hits near and dear to home with something like an illegal (yeah, its still illegal) drug like pot, their only answer is to legalize it. Why wouldn't they simply drop the illegal habit for the greater good? Think of that small percentage of people who do get psychologically addicted to pot. And even worse, what about that small percentage of people who use pot as a gateway drug and develop harder drug addictions? Sure the percentages who become dependent or use pot as a gateway are very small, but so are the number of uninsurable people... and the number of homeless... and the number of truly disabled. Why should one group of people (taxpayers) suffer for the greater good yet another group of people (pot users) not sacrifice? Isn't pot supposed to be this casual, take-it-or-leave-it drug anyway? Seems like if you can't simply brush it off for the greater good, you might be one of those very few who have more trouble with it than you think.
I think the legalization of pot will most definitely help the greater good.

Think about it, its been shown to provide relief to people for a lot of medical reasons. Not a cure by any means, but relief.

Also, you can go to a ballgame or concert and drink gallons of beer, which in many cases leads to violence, car accidents, and sometimes sexual assault.

Substitude marijuana for all that booze and we'd have a far happier and more peaceful population!

I do purchase marijuana, and its locally grown by friends. To my knowledge these friends do not funnel these profits back to any sort of terrorist or organized crime organizations. They actually make far less than I do as small growing operations aren't very profitable.
 
Lestat said:
I think the legalization of pot will most definitely help the greater good.

Of course you would, because you use it. I don't use it and personally see no value in it. Funny how everyone sees value in their own position.

Lestat said:
Think about it, its been shown to provide relief to people for a lot of medical reasons. Not a cure by any means, but relief.

And it makes a great gateway drug for other people. They start with pot and look for more powerful hallucinogens and/or sedatives. And even though it isn't physically addictive, its definitely psychologically addictive. Even if you don't admit it, you know at least one chronic user right now who's been trying to stop his or her pattern of "wake and bake" for a long time.

Lestat said:
Also, you can go to a ballgame or concert and drink gallons of beer, which in many cases leads to violence, car accidents, and sometimes sexual assault.

Substitude marijuana for all that booze and we'd have a far happier and more peaceful population!

Or better yet you could snort a crushed-up oxycontin, snort a line of cocaine or take a hit or two of extacy. That would make a lot of people happy too. At least with stimulants, employers wouldn't have to deal with lethargy and loss of initiative by employees. Imagine how many fathers and mothers were well-intended to spend time with their children but got stuck stoned on the couch instead? What is the social cost of that? Sure the same thing can be said of alcohol, but that certainly doesn't justify pot as an alternative.

Lestat said:
I do purchase marijuana, and its locally grown by friends. To my knowledge these friends do not funnel these profits back to any sort of terrorist or organized crime organizations. They actually make far less than I do as small growing operations aren't very profitable.

You and I both know that the vast, vast majority of pot is not sold exclusively by dealers. Nor is much of it "locally grown by friends." The truth is, unless you're walking through the field, cutting the plants as you go and bagging them, you have no idea where the pot you're smoking came from.

I really am surprised that a "greater good" guy wouldn't be willing to pass on pot for the overall benefit of society. Someone who can see the larger picture should recognize that a small minority curbing their desires could save countless lives among people who can't integrate drugs into their lives as well.

You'll gladly ask someone to give up 50%+ of their income for the greater good but can't drop recreational drug habit for the same greater good?
 
enigma4dub said:
interference by the feds is because of the policies of the current president and attorney general. which god willing is going to stop if we get a democrat in office.

my prescription is for pain management.

obama has already stated he is pro-MM, however, he explicitly said he is not going to spend political capital on making it legal on the federal level.

mccain...not sure what his stance is, either.

don't you worry about having your name in some database, though? honestly.
 
I'm sure we do not know half of the story. If you're going to smoke pot you better know the laws in your state, the states you will travel to and any foreign country you visit. Apparently Rachel didn't. If she did she would have know it was automatic jail time in Florida.

Some advice for those who smoke even casually. First and foremost you better have a good lawyer, well versed in MJ. Second get a medical MJ license; only for a year any longer and you WILL be in a database. With a license in Calif. you can have on your person 8 ounces legally. If you carry an additional license as a caregiver, you can have 1 pound and grow twelve plants. I happen to know two people, who have be pulled over, disclosed when asked if they were carrying, showed license, then released. Lastly and most importantly under NO circumstances have a scale..EVER.

There has been some discussion of what amount is legal. Each state is different..28 grams is just under an ounce, wherever you go. :)

All I'm saying is be informed and be safe.
 
Lestat said:
I think the legalization of pot will most definitely help the greater good.

Think about it, its been shown to provide relief to people for a lot of medical reasons. Not a cure by any means, but relief.

Also, you can go to a ballgame or concert and drink gallons of beer, which in many cases leads to violence, car accidents, and sometimes sexual assault.

Substitude marijuana for all that booze and we'd have a far happier and more peaceful population!

I do purchase marijuana, and its locally grown by friends. To my knowledge these friends do not funnel these profits back to any sort of terrorist or organized crime organizations. They actually make far less than I do as small growing operations aren't very profitable.

We've been down this road before.

What you going to do when:

1) H.S. kids smoke pot everywhere and in school. Grades drop.

2) Person smoking weed slams into car killing 13 y/o girl

3) All weed, because it's cheaper, is imported from 3rd world countries where drug cartels enslave locals, kill rivals and govt officials to control their trade. Look up 'diamond trade'.

4) Person smokes weed on sidewalk, and you have to breathe it in every day on your way to work (2nd hand smoke).

5) Your employer now has to deal with workers who come in high. And 10,000 complaints on 'I think my boss is high' come in.

The world is a bit bigger than "I think it should be legal because it makes me feel so good!". There are repurcassions, and as usual, lazy thinkers don't want to think that far ahead.

legalize weed, outlaw alcohol - if you really wanted to go there.

r
 
Razorguns said:
We've been down this road before.

What you going to do when:

1) H.S. kids smoke pot everywhere and in school. Grades drop.

kids have been smoking pot in school for decades and the grades are falling. It would be very blind of you to assume falling grades = drugs. Not saying it doesn't play it's part, but high schooler's don't have a chance when the lower grades aren't doing there job.

2) Person smoking weed slams into car killing 13 y/o girl

Bad example when the same thing could happen with alcohol.

3) All weed, because it's cheaper, is imported from 3rd world countries where drug cartels enslave locals, kill rivals and govt officials to control their trade. Look up 'diamond trade'.

How do you figure this? If you can grow your own with a license why go someplace else? Locally grown is cheaper than import in most products.

4) Person smokes weed on sidewalk, and you have to breathe it in every day on your way to work (2nd hand smoke).

Please like this would EVER happen.

5) Your employer now has to deal with workers who come in high. And 10,000 complaints on 'I think my boss is high' come in.

The words "drug testing" comes to mind. What company isn't on that ban wagon.

The world is a bit bigger than "I think it should be legal because it makes me feel so good!". There are repurcassions, and as usual, lazy thinkers don't want to think that far ahead.

I would agree.

legalize weed, outlaw alcohol - if you really wanted to go there.

12 states have legalized laws and our kids still go to school.

r

Just my two cents.
 
Your answers don't address the question - just redirect it I could play the same game back at you with every point you made (kids drink beer, so let's make it age-free. No one thought illegal aliens could fly planes into buildings either. When has us-made been cheaper than foreign-made?).

Do you really think non-weed smoking soccer moms give a shit about weed rights? Do you think illegal mexicans do? Do you think corporate america, which controls the president, does? Do you think your boss wants to drag out the weed-tester machine every time an employee acts sleep at work? Do you want every lawyer to appeal guilty verdicts because they think someone on the jury was high?

When it becomes an advantage to society and big business and the government and the healthcare industry - it will.

Right now all those points I said above point to a disadvantage, so no - it will never be legal, ever, and for good reasons.

r
 
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