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Lowest TREN ACE dosage you'd run?
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i read that it was better to run it early in the cycle, not at the end. just so it can clear your receptors and you still continue with test to make for an easier recovery. that is how i am gonna run it. and I am doing 100 EOD.. but have no qualms about doing 50mg ED, will see how things go and how fast I get tired of ED injections. if sides are too much i will drop the dosage. thats what i would do in your case.
Well just run test/mast by them self !!
If it's Tren A it will kick in and be noticed before the test/mast will , 50ed is the lowest and will still be noticed .
Brad.
Z, Im running 100EOD right now however I started last year at 75 EOD. I see my maximum gains at that dose. Good luck buddy
I commend you Zwhit! Most people think more is better, it's not! You my friend will make more gains and keep your gains because you know how to cycle! I commend you Zwhit!
johnnyboy3689282
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You should change the sustanon for prop! Def good luck with your cycle...How much test yout aking per injection?
johnnyboy3689282
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yeah, but your shooting a fast acting ester thats gonna be outta your system in half a day... Thats why ED injecting should be considered and your shooting a test that for some of the blends of esters arnt gonna release for 10 days. Why would you not just shoot something that has around the same half life. Sustanon was made for people that naturally need test injections and was made on the purpose of people are afraid of needles.
So sustanon was created so people dont have to visit the doctor as frequent for injections. I mean hey, if your happy with a product that actually has a half day half life and then another with a 10.5 day half life, give it a shot will, im sure you will see nice gains. Just think you would see more gains if you shot with prop. But in reality, u know your body better than i do. I would consider tren-enanthanate or deca for the sustanon. Your diet, calorie intake, and level of cardio is gonna determine your physique more than the juice yo.
good luck bro
Johnny
btw... I ran .40 Tren/.80 Prop EOD for 3 weeks first time i ever used tren and strength and size was unreal. Upped the dosage but helped my body get used to it because hands down, Tren is the most potent anabolic on the market today!
So sustanon was created so people dont have to visit the doctor as frequent for injections. I mean hey, if your happy with a product that actually has a half day half life and then another with a 10.5 day half life, give it a shot will, im sure you will see nice gains. Just think you would see more gains if you shot with prop. But in reality, u know your body better than i do. I would consider tren-enanthanate or deca for the sustanon. Your diet, calorie intake, and level of cardio is gonna determine your physique more than the juice yo.
good luck bro
Johnny
btw... I ran .40 Tren/.80 Prop EOD for 3 weeks first time i ever used tren and strength and size was unreal. Upped the dosage but helped my body get used to it because hands down, Tren is the most potent anabolic on the market today!
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25mg's EOD I do. I keep everything low, but I have to with tren if I want to avoid side effects.
johnnyboy3689282
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Yeah, i never got sides with it. Ive been interested in sust. But kickstarting is kinda of a pain. That why the prop is the better way to go. Why 350 EOD? So your shooting 1.4G's per week?
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I've never had the need to go about 50mg eod or 25mg ed to see amazing results on tren. Funny how things change... 10 years ago the doses on this poll would have been considered reckless.
gatemoney
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I found i have less sides at 50 ed then 100 eod. It's 350 ew either way.
I started at .75eod for the first 2 weeks and was fine, as soon as I bumped it up to 100eod i started getting bad anxiety the following day after i would pin (i pin before bed). Tightness in chest, short of breath, overwhelming feeling of panic for absolutely no reason. But for some reason it's barely noticeable if i pin a smaller amount ed. Never got the night sweats or had trouble sleeping, just the anxiety.
Btw Caffeine seem to aggravate this anxiety 10 fold! So I cut all caffeine out of my diet morning coffee, pre workout supps, everything and this seems to have really helped as well.
Good luck, for those that can tolerate it tren will do amazing things.
Tommygunn1980
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I've ran 3 cycles with Tren and always ran 75mg eod and always got incredible gains I don't see why you wouldn't be able to go as low as 50 and still get great gains
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Considering that tren is 3-5x as effective at binding to the AR, and at promoting nitrogen retention than testosterone I don't see why someone couldn't make noticable gains on even 100mg of tren per week, especially when stacked with a low to moderate dose of anything else.
I'm not trying to be a dick or call anyone out, but no one had problems making insane gains on tren at 50mg eod a decade ago. If you can't make absurd gains in size and strength (baring already massive guys in the NPC or IFBB mind you) running those type of doses with a little bit of test clearly something is off with your training.
GradeABeef
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I just finished with 40mg ed 7 weeks. That was my first cycle and it was a tren only. I got great gains. I thought I would keep them all but now I am fighting everyday in the gym for them. Not bad, I lost 1 rep and I have been trying to get it back for a week in a half now. I was increasing weight on bench every week. My cycle stopped and my gains stopped. My next tren cycle will be a little more. Maybe 75mg ed. I was doing peptides and still am. I was pinning 30x per week. I am down to 25x per week in pct.
When I made this thread, those dosages were considered conservative dosages. I made great gains on 50Mg ed. The only side I had that I won't tolerate is the hair loss.
I haven't run tren since then. If I ever run it again it'll likely be at 50 mg eod. I agree that gains can be made at that dose.
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I am on 200mg of tren ena a week right now with nothing else. I am gaining muscle and weight on the scale slowly, losing fat and my lifts are going up weekly.
How long are you going to run that? Never had any problems with ED?
johnnyboy3689282
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I think if ur prone to getting sides, ur gonna get them regardless if ur stacking test or not. Test isnt whats gonna get ur Dick hard, blood flow is. So maybe ur test levels would effect ur aggressiveness towards women, but for some, aas makes them the opposite... Just My two cents
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Seattleborn206
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The first time I run tren I plan on only running 50mg eod to assess tolerance
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No one had ever had deca dick until people started talking about it on the internet... I have suspected for many years it is psychosomatic like overtraining is for most people
No problems at all. I still have sex with my wife daily. I don't get the insane drive like I do on test, but still enjoy having sex every day on tren alone.
I did my first cycle about 14 years ago.
Its pretty easy to for me to believe that if you run AAS long enough and shut down your natural testosterone production without replacing it with exogenous test, your dick won't work properly. Which is why I asked how long you're running that cycle.
I could see not having any problems for maybe 8 weeks or so, but after that I'd expect to see problems.
^^^ i'm on about week 8 of my tren only cycle and I am getting hornier and hornier.
it kinda sucks actually cause my gf is getting annoyed with me and wants me to stop tren.
i agree with bodybyfin, its just media propaganda bullshit being fed to people.. i would try it yourself with hcgenerate and caber and see how it goes
90% of libido is pyschological so if you really really believe tren is a dick killer then it probably will be and vice versa. for me tren makes me hornier than anything else.. how could it not it is 5X more anabolic than test
it kinda sucks actually cause my gf is getting annoyed with me and wants me to stop tren.
i agree with bodybyfin, its just media propaganda bullshit being fed to people.. i would try it yourself with hcgenerate and caber and see how it goes
90% of libido is pyschological so if you really really believe tren is a dick killer then it probably will be and vice versa. for me tren makes me hornier than anything else.. how could it not it is 5X more anabolic than test
you mean androgenic?
There's no reason for me not to run at least a maintenance dose of test. I'll take your word for it.
^^^ actually i have read its significantly both more androgenic and anabolic than testosterone and i believe it. its good shit and you don't need a big dose of it to get some sick results.. whatever you decide to do run hcgenerate 2 caps 2X per day during cycle. you will enjoy that, great supplement.. its never in stock for a reason.
GradeABeef
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Steve what is your weekly dose of tren. I did 280mg per week and loved it. I lost a little strength over the past two weeks since I stopped.
johnnyboy3689282
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I get horny on anything anabolic, especially because I Get more attention from the opposite sex.....
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Right and belief/psychosomosis/self programing seem to be the most critical factor in all things bodybuilding in my expereince. People read about Deca dick, they get deca dick when no one had it for 20 years... people read about overtraining and then get symptoms when they only train 6 hours per week (which I can tell you is 100% psychosomatic... if you don't train 2+ hours a day you never need even concern yourself with having this term in your vocabulary and professional athletes have skilled coaches who know when they need to deload, so they never need worry about it either). People hear about roid rage... they get roid rage when research shows gear only increases aggression in 5%of users.
I'm 35, on 200mg of tren a week with no ancillaries (I have them on the side), have sex daily, keep in mind I ran test/letro only for 9 weeks prior to this (I qualify for TRT now so am not really going to come off... my test was 280 ng/dL when I went on in January) so I am clearly shut down. Only sides I am getting from tren is a tad more aggression when I channel in the weight room only, some night sweats, a little acne on my traps, and rapid gains on my squats and deadlifts while recomping my body.
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I have run 75md EOD in the past, but now run 100mg EOD, and that is perfect for me. I run it 6 weeks in the middle of a 10 weeker, surrounded by a lot of test before and after. Have been curious if running 50mg ED would give better results, since it's still using the same amount. Hmm....
GradeABeef
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I just started another cycle. This one is at 50mg ed. I got some of the last of the carts and paid dearly for them.
Muscleaddict
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Acetate ester has to be pinned ED or EOD. It's half life is too short for E3D.
TheRippedReverend
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yea, I ran 360 ew. 120x3 Let me tell you 2nd week Woooooooozers!!! I heard you can make gains off as low as 200 ew couldn't vouch for that tho I ran more. An with Ace like Arabian is saying idk it's such a short ester. Maybe with E you could do a lower dose as it would take time to build up but I'd never run E for my first cycle.
Powder is the way to go. It's way cheaper, and yields way more product.
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I pin every day on my cycles. I just pinned 100mg cause I was on my last syringe and waiting to get more in the mail.
It was at least twice as bad. With 50mg I get a sore spot. With 100mg I had issues walking. It was in my outer thigh.
It was at least twice as bad. With 50mg I get a sore spot. With 100mg I had issues walking. It was in my outer thigh.
Im an HRT guy and never did a "hard core" cycle nor blast....Im finishing up a blast with 400mg Primo+400mg Mast a week and 50mg day Var. I did not bump up my Test dose just kept it HRT. Slow and steady gains and TONS of recovery, I mean I hit this summer hard with lifts and MMA and felt amazing. Only times I had to slow down was not from recovery issues but from nagging old injuries or areas I have on and off pain so Id have to back off, not that I wasnt recovering.....in the middle of the blast someone gave me some Tren just to try (or try to get me hooked! hah), and I did M/W/F 75mg so 225mg per week. My gosh by weeks 2-3 my reps on stuff felt like they were doubling, say if I normally did DB bench with 120 for 8 reps all the sudden I could crank out 12 no problem. Now I think it was the Tren, but folks on here say that Primo is a slow cooker and takes a while to kick in...so maybe I played with the Tren about the same time the other stuff was finally kicking in. But now that Im about 3 weeks off Tren, I feel a noticable (not gigantic) drop in strength.
So for me 225mg a week in addition to some other stuff was enough to feel like I put blower on my engine. MMA got hard as hell though sometimes, and I was literally changing shirts 3 times a lift I was so drenched like I jumped in a pool. My sleep was also awful, I mean tossing and turning and waking up a bunch of times in middle of the night. I also felt dog, I mean dog ass tired most of the day, until I warmed up and got my lift going and then it felt like energy kicked in...the rest of the day I was pooped and would have to motivate myself to get to MMA, again Id get in the swing of it and be fired up, then when it ended Id be tired as snot again...but I did increase my GH dose and someone on here said it could be that, and I think Ive read Var makes people tired too?
But its tempting now to want to do a Tren blast a little longer in the New Year but probably at the same dose since I felt it pretty darn good and dont feel the need for more. Im not sure if its the Tren but it also curbed my appetite which I dont mind at all since Im not trying to gain weight. I stayed the same weight, got much stronger, and veins popping ou in places much more visible than normal
I wish I wouldve got dunk tanked to see the BF change!
So for me 225mg a week in addition to some other stuff was enough to feel like I put blower on my engine. MMA got hard as hell though sometimes, and I was literally changing shirts 3 times a lift I was so drenched like I jumped in a pool. My sleep was also awful, I mean tossing and turning and waking up a bunch of times in middle of the night. I also felt dog, I mean dog ass tired most of the day, until I warmed up and got my lift going and then it felt like energy kicked in...the rest of the day I was pooped and would have to motivate myself to get to MMA, again Id get in the swing of it and be fired up, then when it ended Id be tired as snot again...but I did increase my GH dose and someone on here said it could be that, and I think Ive read Var makes people tired too?
But its tempting now to want to do a Tren blast a little longer in the New Year but probably at the same dose since I felt it pretty darn good and dont feel the need for more. Im not sure if its the Tren but it also curbed my appetite which I dont mind at all since Im not trying to gain weight. I stayed the same weight, got much stronger, and veins popping ou in places much more visible than normal
I wish I wouldve got dunk tanked to see the BF change!Im an HRT guy and never did a "hard core" cycle nor blast....Im finishing up a blast with 400mg Primo+400mg Mast a week and 50mg day Var. I did not bump up my Test dose just kept it HRT. Slow and steady gains and TONS of recovery, I mean I hit this summer hard with lifts and MMA and felt amazing. Only times I had to slow down was not from recovery issues but from nagging old injuries or areas I have on and off pain so Id have to back off, not that I wasnt recovering.....in the middle of the blast someone gave me some Tren just to try (or try to get me hooked! hah), and I did M/W/F 75mg so 225mg per week. My gosh by weeks 2-3 my reps on stuff felt like they were doubling, say if I normally did DB bench with 120 for 8 reps all the sudden I could crank out 12 no problem. Now I think it was the Tren, but folks on here say that Primo is a slow cooker and takes a while to kick in...so maybe I played with the Tren about the same time the other stuff was finally kicking in. But now that Im about 3 weeks off Tren, I feel a noticable (not gigantic) drop in strength.
So for me 225mg a week in addition to some other stuff was enough to feel like I put blower on my engine. MMA got hard as hell though sometimes, and I was literally changing shirts 3 times a lift I was so drenched like I jumped in a pool. My sleep was also awful, I mean tossing and turning and waking up a bunch of times in middle of the night. I also felt dog, I mean dog ass tired most of the day, until I warmed up and got my lift going and then it felt like energy kicked in...the rest of the day I was pooped and would have to motivate myself to get to MMA, again Id get in the swing of it and be fired up, then when it ended Id be tired as snot again...but I did increase my GH dose and someone on here said it could be that, and I think Ive read Var makes people tired too?
But its tempting now to want to do a Tren blast a little longer in the New Year but probably at the same dose since I felt it pretty darn good and dont feel the need for more. Im not sure if its the Tren but it also curbed my appetite which I dont mind at all since Im not trying to gain weight. I stayed the same weight, got much stronger, and veins popping ou in places much more visible than normal
Bro that was the tren. Im a connisier of tren myself and those are all tren effects, and why I love it so much. Primo and mast are nice aas but nothing compared to tren. You save a lot of money by leaving out primo and using tiny doses of mast with tren. But if you got the primo stockpiled then by all means use it.
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What dose would you run mast p at with tren a?
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I prefer mast e and tren e as I dont like eod or ed injections, but 50 mg mast ed or eod, and 50-100 tren ed or eod depending on your level of experience. I still make ridiculous gains with 4-500 mg tren week and I usually throw 2-300 mg mast in there for good measure. And at those doses sides are minimal for me. I also use 750 mg test as this is my sweet spot for test. It keeps my appetite strong which tren seems to curb somewhat. Anything above that increases sides and not a huge difference in benefits. At this dose I only use adex once every 3-4 days. For the tren 0.25 caber e3d is sufficient for me.
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I'm currently on 150 tren e twice a week which comes out to about 216mgs EW. With test*
Thats 300 mg bro. How did you get 216 from 150+150? Lol.
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Ive seen SEVERAL guys I know do very well on 37.5mg EOD or even daily. I would still run some testosterone with it regardless.
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Lol. That's how we get the bad rep of being muscle bound meat heads. Lmao
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He is giving the actual weight of thw test after the weight of the ester is removed. Test-e has about 71/100 because it is a larger ester. Test-p is closer to 80+/100.
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If that is the case then he is way over thinking it. Just keep it simple.
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I have to disagree. I'm currently on about the equivalent of 30mg ace ed (150 tren e x2 ew). I gained about 6-7 pounds during week 4 which was right when it shouldve been really kicking in. So, zwhit, if you are looking for the lowest possible dose you can see results with, i would go with 30-40 ed. I forgot your height and weight, but if you're anywhere close to me, it should be plenty in my experience.
you have to subtract the ester weight to find how much it really is. subtracting the ester weight to find how much actual steroid your getting is hardly over thinking things. How can you not need to know how much your injecting?
Come on fellas, what is it morning where ya'll are at? lol I guess this is where we disagree as I keep things simple. 300 mgs is good enough for me. But if thats what works for you go for it.
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lol I made this thread over a year ago. I've since run it at 50mg/ed. I love the results tren gives but I ended up having blood work done while in the middle of the cycle for insurance purposes (had no idea they were going to throw it at me) My lipids were so out of whack that it really turned me off from tren and orals. I'm not making a living from juicing so its not really worth it to me.
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I attributed it to the tren. I was on 250mg test and 400mg tren e at the time and my lipids have never been so fucked up. I've had bloodwork post test only cycles and its never been as bad as it was on that cycle. Take from that what you will.
Gorilla-Pharma
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50mg ED or 100mg EOD is the lowest I have ran. Higer yes lower no.
Current 100mg EOD...just about to pin after dinner 
Gorilla-Pharma
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Current 100mg EOD...just about to pin after dinner
Ya 100mg eod is lowest I would go....I've done 175mg eod as well.
You could go lower, 75mg eod and still see good results.
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I am running at the equivalent of 30mgs per day and am having increadible results. I really have to increase the dose very slowly, this stuff sets me off like nothing else.
Because you made it a poll Robert
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I like where this thread is going
johnnyboy3689282
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40mg end cut me up with 80mg test prop
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