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ALIN
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Thats very odd. Ive worked with TONS of people who use HGH regular and never heard this.
You may be a diabetic. I would get a glucose meter immediately and monitor levels closely.
i just got an A1C and the Hemoglobin A1c was 5.5%
the glucose serum was 27L mg/dL (limit is 65-99) but the tech noted that the serum specimen was improperly separated resulting in prolonged exposure of serum to cells. glucose may be erroneously decreased
Creatinine Serum was 1.32H mg/dL with range 0.76-1.27
the glucose serum was 27L mg/dL (limit is 65-99) but the tech noted that the serum specimen was improperly separated resulting in prolonged exposure of serum to cells. glucose may be erroneously decreased
Creatinine Serum was 1.32H mg/dL with range 0.76-1.27
littleb
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you can buy everything you need at a drugstore, gonna cost about 100+ in lymans terms going to need a reader a poker and test strips... it is what diabetics do about 10 times a day lol going to put the test strip into the reader then poke your finger and put a drop of blood on the test strip that is sticking out of the reader that will tell you your blood sugar...test first thing in the am as soon as you wake up, should be under 100 then check after you eat, will jump up bigtime on high carb meal,, but should drop back to normal withen 2 hrs.. also when you go to doc and you pee into a cup he is checking sugar.... but for 100 bucks or so you can check yourself... pm me with any ques. i know a lot about diabetics i am not one but my family is full of em ...
Yes you need to check your BG (blood glocuse) when you wake up and then right before you eat and then 1 hour after you eat and then 2 hours after you eat until you see your BG go back down.
High blood sugar in diabetes causes the lens of the eye to swell, which changes your ability to see. To correct this kind of eye problem, you need to get your blood sugar back into the target range (90-130 milligrams per deciliter or mg/dL before meals, and less than 180 mg/dL one to two hours after a meal). It may take as long as three months after your blood sugar is well controlled for your vision to fully get back to normal.
Blurred vision can also be a symptom of more serious eye problem with diabetes. The three major eye problems that people with diabetes may develop and should be aware of are cataracts, glaucoma, and retinopathy.
High blood sugar in diabetes causes the lens of the eye to swell, which changes your ability to see. To correct this kind of eye problem, you need to get your blood sugar back into the target range (90-130 milligrams per deciliter or mg/dL before meals, and less than 180 mg/dL one to two hours after a meal). It may take as long as three months after your blood sugar is well controlled for your vision to fully get back to normal.
Blurred vision can also be a symptom of more serious eye problem with diabetes. The three major eye problems that people with diabetes may develop and should be aware of are cataracts, glaucoma, and retinopathy.
i haven't been diagnosed with diabetes. i am waiting for my most recent a1c to come in. i was checked earlier this year and my results were fine. my eye doc told me i am farsighted in one eye. i also can't focus on tiny bright lights. they look out of focus and starry. do you think two months on gh could have done this to me?
If your body does not work correctly and you are adding something potent such as HGH, yes its posible.
How bad has your vision deteriorated?
Don't wait to hear back from your Dr. just go to walgreens and buy a Blood Glucose kit!
Here is what I use when I am using GH and especially when I am adding IGF:
UltraMini Blood Glucose Monitoring System | OneTouch | Walgreens
Also, I am not saying ignore your dr. just take some initiave if your BG doesn't return to normal after 2 hours from eating than you are becoming type 2 diabetic and yes it would be from the GH! The good thing is that type 2 from GH usually reverses itself. But that wont help your eyesight!
How bad has your vision deteriorated?
Don't wait to hear back from your Dr. just go to walgreens and buy a Blood Glucose kit!
Here is what I use when I am using GH and especially when I am adding IGF:
UltraMini Blood Glucose Monitoring System | OneTouch | Walgreens
Also, I am not saying ignore your dr. just take some initiave if your BG doesn't return to normal after 2 hours from eating than you are becoming type 2 diabetic and yes it would be from the GH! The good thing is that type 2 from GH usually reverses itself. But that wont help your eyesight!
100 is a normal range, below 70 and above 180 and you are in trouble and should seek imediate medical attention.
Before you eat you should be in the 100 range (+/- 10) after you eat your BG rises but should not get over 180. One hour after eating you BG should be 140-160 and 2 hours later is should be back down to the 100 range. Google blood glucose levels for more info.
Before you eat you should be in the 100 range (+/- 10) after you eat your BG rises but should not get over 180. One hour after eating you BG should be 140-160 and 2 hours later is should be back down to the 100 range. Google blood glucose levels for more info.
go to a doctor.
yeah go to a dr today! might have nothing to do with gh. vision isn't something to mess with.
Go to your doctor imediately.
My brother was diagnosed with macular degeneration when he was in his early 40's. This is a medical condition usually of older adults that results in a loss of vision.
Eye problems can medical emergencies. Example, detached retina is a medical emergency.
Do not wait, seek imediate medical attention.
Good luck.
My brother was diagnosed with macular degeneration when he was in his early 40's. This is a medical condition usually of older adults that results in a loss of vision.
Eye problems can medical emergencies. Example, detached retina is a medical emergency.
Do not wait, seek imediate medical attention.
Good luck.
So I've had some serious complications from the gh. I have damaged my vision and I think I've done some brain damage. I am unable to function normally. Should I contact the manufacturer? The doctor that prescribed is telling me it's unrelated. I think he is just covering his ass. What should I do???
Ok, can you post the brand name of the GH you were using and the manufactor. You were Rx'd legally so that isn't against board rules. We can start taking shots at it researching and seeing if there is a class action lawsuit against it or something.
Now in regards to your claim of brain damage, can you tell us why you think that?
Now in regards to your claim of brain damage, can you tell us why you think that?
The brand name is Tev Tropin by Gate Pharma. It was prescribed out of an anti-aging clinic in Florida even though my IGF levels were actually above normal. I thought I was doing the right thing by going with a pharma and not street.
On top of the bizarre vision problems I am having I also lost my night vision. In the dark the bedroom is grainy or snowy (similar to visual snow symptoms). I also have tinnitis. My eyes are also EXTREMELY sensitive to direct light (sunlight, headlight, brake light, street light, etc).
I've been to (no joke) 15 doctors of varying disciplines and they have all told me my eyes are healthy (apart from newly aquired astigmatism and farsightedness - i attribute to the gh). Since it seems some symptoms aren't physical it leads me to believe they are neurological. My CT and MRI came clean, but those are more for obvious physical problems like tumors and aneurysms.
I'm not sure if I should call the manufacturer to tell them about these effects. Something tells me they won't really care. They will tell me to dicuss with my physician, who really doesn't care.
On top of the bizarre vision problems I am having I also lost my night vision. In the dark the bedroom is grainy or snowy (similar to visual snow symptoms). I also have tinnitis. My eyes are also EXTREMELY sensitive to direct light (sunlight, headlight, brake light, street light, etc).
I've been to (no joke) 15 doctors of varying disciplines and they have all told me my eyes are healthy (apart from newly aquired astigmatism and farsightedness - i attribute to the gh). Since it seems some symptoms aren't physical it leads me to believe they are neurological. My CT and MRI came clean, but those are more for obvious physical problems like tumors and aneurysms.
I'm not sure if I should call the manufacturer to tell them about these effects. Something tells me they won't really care. They will tell me to dicuss with my physician, who really doesn't care.
The OP's HbA1c result was 5.5
This is well within the normal range albeit the high end of normal and could possibly indicate that he is in the very early stages of diabetes or what is normally called pre-diabetes.
My HbA1c is 5.7, and I'm considered pre-diabetic in that I read a little high upon waking, yet I have normal levels after eating.
This reading is more useful than any Fasting test or post prandial reading, because it give the average blood sugar reading over the previous 3 months. HbA1c of 5.5 means his blood sugar has averaged out at 118 mg/Dl for the previous 3 months.
I take GH and it increases my FBS (fasting blood sugar) levels by about 10 mg/Dl. Post prandial readings are fine, but I do limit my carbohydrate consumption.
The damage caused to the eyes by excess blood sugar is called diabetic retinopathy. It usually takes around 10 years of impaired blood sugar levels (levels way higher than 5.5) to develope.
I would be quite certain that the deterioration in the OP's eyesight is not related to high blood sugar (with an HbA1c reading as low as 5.5).
If the OP's eyesight disturbances correlate directly to his GH use, I'd be more inclined to look for other causes. The first one that comes to mind is hypertensive retinopathy. High blood pressure can cause damage to the blood vessels in the retina of the eye. GH can definitely increase blood pressure by a large degree, especially if it's taken along with anabolic steroids.
My retinas has been checked out by 5 retinal specialists and they can't find anything. They tell me they're perfectly healthy. My visual acuity is fine (20/20), it's just that I seem to have all the symptoms of someone that has had a bad LASIK surgery - halos, starbursts, snowy vision as well as tinnitus. I can't drive at night and daylight is bad for starbursts. My symptoms have been getting progressively worse since the incident. I have never heard of anyone having these symptoms with any eye disease. I fear that my eyes are ruined for life.
The doctors keep telling me I don't have diabetes.
The doctors keep telling me I don't have diabetes.
I had Lasik 7 years ago. No side effects like you are describing. There has to be something they are missing. Don't give up. Have you contacted the clinic that prescribe the GH? Maybe there are others under their care having issues. Be a pain in the ass - don't want and don't give up.
I sure do hope you get to the bottom of it...soon.
I sure do hope you get to the bottom of it...soon.
I spoke with the prescribing doctor a few days after it began and he assured me that it wasn't gh related. I think he was just trying to calm me down and cover his ass. They asked me for the lot number of the last vial I used, but that was the last I heard from them. They went from pestering me to buy more to not communicating with me at all. They kept telling me 2iu's a day would not be enough for ANY side effects. I don't know what recourse I have, if any. I'm sure they will stick with the same story. I'm sure it's just some crooked doctor with a team of savvy salesmen. Not sure if going to the pharma might get me some answers. Today I met a neuro-ophthalmologist who has asked me to get a lumbar puncture to check on the health of my brain. I'm going broke trying to figure this out. Luckily I can work from home for the time being since I can't drive.
I believe you can get a side effects from 2iu per day.
My story was that I started GH at 2iu per day for 2 weeks and then increased to 4iu (2 x 2iu) per day. I was experiencing so many negative side effects at 4iu per day that after a month I dropped down to 2iu. After a further month at 2iu per day I was so miserable from side-effects that I discontinued using it.
I stayed off for 6 weeks (even after a 6 week layoff I still had some nerve damage in 3 fingers [loss of feeling]).
I have since started using a 3x per week PWO protocol injecting intramuscularly rather than sub-cutaneously. I'm not getting side effects apart from tingling in the fingers.
The point of this story is that I believe that you can get side effects on such a low dose.
Too many people talk about IU's in vial. I believe people who inject large doses with no side effects are using low potency products. I use pharmaceutical grade which is sold for medical use. It only comes in 2iu or 4iu vials. Any vials larger than that are sold exclusively for athletes and bodybuilders and could be suspect in terms of actual dose.
I agree. I had done some generic blue caps a while back at 2iu and had no side effect. I noticed when I started the TevTropin I felt strange. I think there is definitely a difference. I thought I was doing the right thing by using pharma. It's the biggest mistake of my life. I've also got cubital tunnel which I think can be attributed to the growth. So I need surgery as well. It's become very hard for me to go on.
cryptosporidium
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you need to see a neurologist asap bro. the vision problem could definitely be attributed to IH. its treatable with medication or surgery.
i'm currently under the care of the best neuro-ophthalmologist in the region. i had a lumbar puncture to verify the hypertension and i've started some preliminary treatment. i would not recommend a lumbar puncture to anyone unless you really need it. i asked him about gh-users and hypertension and he says he sees a lot of it, bodybuilders and kids. when i asked him why they prescribe gh to anyone considering the risks his response was "they shouldn't". i am hoping he will help me fix some of my vision issues but i'm certain that i'm going to be left with some degree of disability in both eyes. i had NO IDEA that this was a concern with gh. this was from 2 months of usage.
cryptosporidium
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im glad to hear youre in there getting the right kind of care man. i hope most if not all of your suffering can be alleviated.. just remember to keep researching things. even with a great team of doctors, you have to be the number one advocate for yourself. there is no replacement for that. ive had a lot of health issues to deal with and if i didnt stay on top of things, making sure i covered every base, i might not be here today. i had lots of specialists questioning their education and later thanking me for helping them do their job better.
best of luck, keep us posted.
best of luck, keep us posted.
my neuro-op has got me taking some low dose medication but it doesn't seem to be helping, other than making me sick. i'm supposed to go in for an MRV with is a sort of MRI that shows blood flow in the brain. he still thinks this is IIH related. seems strange to me that I go from PERFECT eyesight to having astigmatism in BOTH eyes, hyperopia in one eye and all the other problems OVERNIGHT. i can't tell you how much this has wrecked my life. all of your support from this board has been VERY helpful for me to keep going.
That sound like awfully fast onset of neuropathy... it does not sound like it would be diabetes related. (or entirely diabetes related)
It takes years for nerve damage to occur with uncontrolled sugar levels.
You may want to look at other culprits as well.
It is good advice to keep an eye on your sugar levels, but, I think there may be other factors (maybe in combination to high sugars) that you have not yet thought about.
It takes years for nerve damage to occur with uncontrolled sugar levels.
You may want to look at other culprits as well.
It is good advice to keep an eye on your sugar levels, but, I think there may be other factors (maybe in combination to high sugars) that you have not yet thought about.
