Looking for some anecdotal evidence on Anavar and the immune system

[RottenWillow]

Here and there I've read a few people say they thought Anavar increased immune counts. I suspect this belief originated with AIDS patients who were running Anavar in addition to a cocktail of other drugs and incorrectly assigned the immune boost to the var. I could certainly be wrong though.

So I'm wondering if maybe any of you guys who've run cycles including Anavar have run post cycle bloodwork and happened to notice an increase in any of your immune system counts. A CBC will give you a breakdown of your leukocyte counts, so you would know if something changed there. There are several different types of them, but on your paperwork they will not have either a "phil" or "cyte" suffix. Any data would be much appreciated, guys.

Thanks.

 

[footdoc]

any aas can increase your entire cbc which will include leucocytes and lymphocytes which are important to the immune system. Most people only concentrate on the increase in the RBC count which also goes up. As far as Anavar helping you fight disease......well thats a different matter but it couldn't hurt

 

[LiftHeavy078]

any aas can increase your entire cbc which will include leucocytes and lymphocytes which are important to the immune system. Most people only concentrate on the increase in the RBC count which also goes up. As far as Anavar helping you fight disease......well thats a different matter but it couldn't hurt

I was under the impression that steroids destroyed your immune system?

 

[RottenWillow]

I was under the impression that steroids destroyed your immune system?

The anecdotal evidence most often heard that is that longterm use does become suppressive of the immune system, so I'm not sure to what footdoc is referring.

 

[ledhead]

Here and there I've read a few people say they thought Anavar increased immune counts. I suspect this belief originated with AIDS patients who were running Anavar in addition to a cocktail of other drugs and incorrectly assigned the immune boost to the var. I could certainly be wrong though.

So I'm wondering if maybe any of you guys who've run cycles including Anavar have run post cycle bloodwork and happened to notice an increase in any of your immune system counts. A CBC will give you a breakdown of your leukocyte counts, so you would know if something changed there. There are several different types of them, but on your paperwork they will not have either a "phil" or "cyte" suffix. Any data would be much appreciated, guys.

Thanks.

Any long time use of any steroid would destroy your immune system.
Long term use will breakdown your endocrine system. Then your susceptible
too all kinds of ailments. The Endocrine system influences almost every cell, and
organ in the body. Soooo do the math!!!!

Anyway the most noted steroid used on aids patients is ABOMBS. At least that's
what i have read.

 

[footdoc]

Well we wouldn't be giving steroids to HIV patients if we thought that they were totally immunosuppressive. Specifically the number of "killer cells" are increased by steroids

 

[lartinos]

I was under the impression that steroids destroyed your immune system?

Some can give you a massive cortisol problem such as tren I believe which many people believe longterm wrecks your immune system and giving you strange symptoms. Some even think it can make cancer worse. I tend to agree with them. Also having elevated female hormones for extended periods of time probably aren't that healthy. Great info by the Doc by the way.

 

[LiftHeavy078]

Well we wouldn't be giving steroids to HIV patients if we thought that they were totally immunosuppressive. Specifically the number of "killer cells" are increased by steroids

When patients are prescribed steroids to improve their immune system, they are not taking anywhere near the doses that we are taking. If they prescribed them Anavar, they would take maybe 2.5mg for a child, or 5mg for an adult. They are not taking 60mg or 100mg of Anavar ED. That would destroy your immune system. That is pretty much the samething as saying Advil cures headaches, and having someone take 15 Advil pills to try and cure a headache. It wouldn't end too well.

 

[lartinos]

When patients are prescribed steroids to improve their immune system, they are not taking anywhere near the doses that we are taking. If they prescribed them Anavar, they would take maybe 2.5mg for a child, or 5mg for an adult. They are not taking 60mg or 100mg of Anavar ED. That would destroy your immune system. That is pretty much the samething as saying Advil cures headaches, and having someone take 15 Advil pills to try and cure a headache. It wouldn't end too well.

not really a good comparison IMO.

 

[LiftHeavy078]

not really a good comparison IMO.

I wasn't trying to make a perfect comparison here, I was just hoping you would be smart enough to understand what I was trying to imply.

 

[lartinos]

I wasn't trying to make a perfect comparison here, I was just hoping you would be smart enough to understand what I was trying to imply.

Take it easy, I sort of get what you are saying but you need to articulate it better to get that point across IMO.

 

[LiftHeavy078]

Take it easy, I sort of get what you are saying but you need to articulate it better to get that point across IMO.

Honestly, my response was a joke because I thought you were joking when you said you didn't understand. Do you really not understand it? Okay, here we go:

Some steroids such as Anavar can help (so they say) in strengthening the immune system at prescribed doses, such as 2.5mg. People looking for the dramatic bodybuilding effects take much higher doses, which, in turn, destroy your immune system. Like I said earlier, it's like taking Advil to cure your headache, which is what Advil was created for. If you take two or three pills, say bye-bye headache. If you take 15 pills, you will most likely die because it will be way too many milligrams of the chemical. It's pretty much the same thing in a different kind of way.

Taking steroids at high doses for too long a period will weaken your immune system so much you may as well not even have one.

 

[RottenWillow]

Here and there I've read a few people say they thought Anavar increased immune counts. I suspect this belief originated with AIDS patients who were running Anavar in addition to a cocktail of other drugs and incorrectly assigned the immune boost to the var. I could certainly be wrong though.

So I'm wondering if maybe any of you guys who've run cycles including Anavar have run post cycle bloodwork and happened to notice an increase in any of your immune system counts. A CBC will give you a breakdown of your leukocyte counts, so you would know if something changed there. There are several different types of them, but on your paperwork they will not have either a "phil" or "cyte" suffix. Any data would be much appreciated, guys.

Thanks.

Rather than a debate, I was looking for this^. Actual numbers

I think we could potentially all benefit from collecting evidence, rather than just rely on speculation. Not a one of us really know the precise effect of various AAS on our immune system, but we certainly could know if only those of use that actually gotten labwork done would post up.

 

[lartinos]

Rather than a debate, I was looking for this^. Actual numbers

I think we could potentially all benefit from collecting evidence, rather than just rely on speculation. Not a one of us really know the precise effect of various AAS on our immune system, but we certainly could know if only those of use that actually gotten labwork done would post up.

Seems like there are too many variables here and you will not get the concrete type answer you are looking for. A study would have to be performed specifically looking at this to find this answer that you seek. i am sure you know this and am just fishing/hoping to find something. Why the interest in Anavar?
Why not growth or igf-1?

 

[needtogetaas]

Here and there I've read a few people say they thought Anavar increased immune counts. I suspect this belief originated with AIDS patients who were running Anavar in addition to a cocktail of other drugs and incorrectly assigned the immune boost to the var. I could certainly be wrong though.

So I'm wondering if maybe any of you guys who've run cycles including Anavar have run post cycle bloodwork and happened to notice an increase in any of your immune system counts. A CBC will give you a breakdown of your leukocyte counts, so you would know if something changed there. There are several different types of them, but on your paperwork they will not have either a "phil" or "cyte" suffix. Any data would be much appreciated, guys.

Thanks.

going over my notes I see nothing other then muscle wasting prevention. I do see gear helping a lot for this though.


Q.1
Here are some examples of questions I have:
Re: GEAR –
"Enlarged" proteins - How are they enlarged? Why & how would this facilitate better absorbtion?

A.1
What I have found is this.
Bovine serum albumin (BSA) is a large globular protein that has 607 amino acid residues and a molecular weight of c. 69.4 kDa.

whey protein is made up of about 65% β-lactoglobulin which has 162 amino acid residues and a molecular weight 18.4 kDa

Egg protein (in powders) is made up of 60-65% Ovalbumin
which which has 385 amino acid residues with a molecular weight of 42.7 KDa

So out of all protein (in powdered forms) Super serum Is a larger molecule
with much More amino acid residues.
1. Making Its structure LARGER
In turn allowing it to take up more volume and cover more space. This of course is a important part of Digestion because it promote more contact of the Nutrients with the small intestine and prolongs the residence time Giving it larger period of time thous increasing substance absorption


Now I need to go get to bed. I will try to get to your other questions as I have time and thank you for asking them..




What is the purpose of adding c. hydrolysate and w. peptide in such small amounts? The idea is great but amount similar to whole food intake is required to make a difference. Need more info please.

BCAA’s – Muscle Replenisher has a good dose. But Gear’s 2 gm / 4 cap dose is pretty light for anticatabolic effect. Need more info please.

Yes Well look at other BCAA capsule products on the market and how much they have in them.

GNC has this brand Price: $43.99 (more then gear after discount lmao
http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3868292
400 caps 4 caps a serving 40 servings per countainer with 2200mg of bcaa per serving. Thats it. Of course its got some vit-b to lol


Now if you wanted to get the same about 10 caps of gear will give you that and if you wanted to use it like this all at once that would be fine. Gears overall design though is for the most part is to be taken threw out the day giving consistent constant anticatabolic effects threw out the day as well as a time perfect dilivered protein threw out the day.

You have brocken it down and looked at it like a 1 dose a day product. Or just the one dose and what this can do. Its meant for taking over the course of the whole day not just one time.

This dilivery system of taking it threw out the day is along the same lines as hooking up a IV of protein and bcaa's threw out the day. A protice thats clinicly proven to prevent muscle waisitng/degeneratin.

SO yes one does 1 liltte cap or even 2-4 caps at once may seem small but the combined effect from taking it threw out the day is much larger and beleive me people who have been taking it like this can feel its effects.


Bovine serum albumin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I started out here on this site. I then so the information under
Biological Function

Bovine serum albumin has been given little attention in respect to its role in the functional properties of whey protein concentrates, and makes up only about 5% of the protein in whey protein concentrates . Its primary biological function has been associated with its lipid binding properties (Fox and Flynn, 1992), but the mechanism of this role has not been clearly elucidated. It may play a role in mediating lipid oxidation, since BSA has been shown invitro to protect lipids against phenolic induced oxidation ( Smith, et.al, 1992; Koizumi and Nonaka, 1975). Strand (1995) claimed that denatured BSA might “reduce the probability of a person acquiring certain diseases, such as insulin dependent diabetes or auto-immune disease. Bosselears, etal. (1994) compared the anti-mutagenic effect of BSA, soy protein, total whey protein, b-lactoglobulin and pepsin-hydrolysed casein. Of these proteins, only the enzyme-hydrolysed casein and BSA were effective against genotoxic compounds. Bovine serum albumin has been used as a component of cell media to regenerate plants from cultured guard cells ( Tallman and Malibu, 1996) and to provide for enhancement of production of plasminogen activator.
So naturally I started looking up as many of these studies as i could find ^^^
I ended up at some press release story from 1929 but I cant find that one. From that story I found that the first people to bring this kind of protein to the market was the

American protein corporation. They were the first ones testing it back in 1929 but back then they were just calling it functional protein. Did a search on the cooperation and the words "functional protein" and this led me to this site here
News Listing

The news story they had listed there was taken down. Why I do not know. So I searched for it

Listing of Functional Protein research citations by application as of June 2009

This lead me to a huge study done by Umass extensions

Application of New Technologies in Functional Proteins for Feeding Calves - eXtension

It of course was focused on its " improved efficiency of dietary protein utilization". "Furthermore, the researchers noted that SDP reduced cellularity of the lamina propria of the small intestine, suggesting reduced local inflammation."

It went on to talk about its immune system effects and how it was helping to keep sick animals alive. saying that "mortality rates where much lower" when sick animals were fed SBP rather then other kinds of protein.

So not only IMO not only is a it a great protein all the time. But when the common question is asked "what should I eat when I am sick" comes up I think SBP is a good answer.


I also found another study that says SPF is just as good as breast milk
SpringerLink - Journal Article

good one on rabits
Similarities between Rabbit Antibodies Produced Following Ingestion of Bovine Serum Albumin and Following Parenteral Immunization -- Rothberg et al. 98 (2): 386 -- The Journal of Immunology

 

[footdoc]

When patients are prescribed steroids to improve their immune system, they are not taking anywhere near the doses that we are taking. If they prescribed them Anavar, they would take maybe 2.5mg for a child, or 5mg for an adult. They are not taking 60mg or 100mg of Anavar ED. That would destroy your immune system. That is pretty much the samething as saying Advil cures headaches, and having someone take 15 Advil pills to try and cure a headache. It wouldn't end too well.

I have to say I can't disagree with this. My experience is with therapeutic dosing. I'm new to all this tetosterone through the roof. In large doses it may certainly ruin you immunoglobulins. That's why I'm here....I'm still a student at heart.

 

[needtogetaas]

I have to say I can't disagree with this. My experience is with therapeutic dosing. I'm new to all this tetosterone through the roof. In large doses it may certainly ruin you immunoglobulins. That's why I'm here....I'm still a student at heart.

low dose steroids with good sups added is the way to go.

 

[LiftHeavy078]

Rather than a debate, I was looking for this^. Actual numbers

I think we could potentially all benefit from collecting evidence, rather than just rely on speculation. Not a one of us really know the precise effect of various AAS on our immune system, but we certainly could know if only those of use that actually gotten labwork done would post up.

Anabolic Steroids are prescribed to AIDS patients in order to boost their immune system to keep them from contracting illnesses. The steroids used for this are Oxandrolone (Anavar) and Nandrolone (Deca). These two compounds at a low, prescribed dose boost the immune system. This is a fact. These are actually the main reasons as to why they were created in the first place. Taking them at higher, bodybuilding dosages are counter-productive and damage the immune system. I don't understand what facts and studies everyone wants. This is well-known.

Testosterone is immunosuppressive, which inhibits and/or hurts the immune system. Obviously injecting 750mgs of Testosterone into yourself is not going to be too good on the ol' immune system.

 

[lartinos]

Anabolic Steroids are prescribed to AIDS patients in order to boost their immune system to keep them from contracting illnesses. The steroids used for this are Oxandrolone (Anavar) and Nandrolone (Deca). These two compounds at a low, prescribed dose boost the immune system. This is a fact. These are actually the main reasons as to why they were created in the first place. Taking them at higher, bodybuilding dosages are counter-productive and damage the immune system. I don't understand what facts and studies everyone wants. This is well-known.

Testosterone is immunosuppressive, which inhibits and/or hurts the immune system. Obviously injecting 750mgs of Testosterone into yourself is not going to be too good on the ol' immune system.

I just find anavar and testosterone as being very different. Even at a larger dose the side effects are drastically less.