Long winstrol cycles

[02gixxersix]

Jesus, blood in urine, liver tests, etc. etc. .........is any of this fucking shit safe????????? What about test??

I think ill just stick to pork chops and beer for weight gain, but if I could find a relatively safer substance to help out a little, I "might" be interested.

I can't use creatine, I like beer too much. Im not going to use prohormones cause I dont want the back acne plus I hear they suck anyways.

Id be more interested in something that I wouldn't loose afterwards. If there is no such thing then fuck it.

What about natural test boosters like tribulus and shit--any good or just hyped up shit? At 34 I get tired a little easier, and my cock doesn't respond as well when im drinking, but other than that I feel almost the same now as I did when I was 18.

Why can't you use creatine and beer??? Also don't use prohormones they suck. Winstrol is only liver toxic because it is a 17aa oral. You're not gonna get blood in your liver from test or any other injectable. You're probably not gonna get blood in your urine from any steroid actually.

 

[rsnoble]

Why can't you use creatine and beer??? Also don't use prohormones they suck. Winstrol is only liver toxic because it is a 17aa oral. You're not gonna get blood in your liver from test or any other injectable. You're probably not gonna get blood in your urine from any steroid actually.

I drink a lot of diet pepsi, and have a few beers everynight. This keeps me peeing like a racehorse, which you know creatine is water retention. Im not sure if id want to give up those habits. Possibly the diet pepsi, but im hooked on that shit really bad.

 

[02gixxersix]

I still don't understand why you can't use creatine and drink beer and pepsi. It's not like you can't dirnk water during the day also. I sure hope you don't just drink beer all day, although I do sometimes.

 

[rsnoble]

Well dude your the first person ive come across thinking I can still use it with my bad habits. Have you tried it and it worked for you?

 

[JG1]

i ve used winny at 200mg/ed for the last 3 weeks of my last contest....without any sides that would need medical attention.

Only bothersome side was extreme pain in the joints!

Damn dude, don't take this the wrong way or anything, but is 200mg/day of winny necessary???

Shit, the most I've used is 37.5mg/day and it turned me to granite. What the hell did 200mg/day feel like? I have given up all 17aa's though (cept possibly var) because everytime I get on winny within a couple weeks I get sides pains.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Damn dude, don't take this the wrong way or anything, but is 200mg/day of winny necessary???

Shit, the most I've used is 37.5mg/day and it turned me to granite. What the hell did 200mg/day feel like? I have given up all 17aa's though (cept possibly var) because everytime I get on winny within a couple weeks I get sides pains.

200-300 mg a day is common among alot of serious competetors for the last 2 weeks before a contest. I like 100 myself, but do not need to hold onto the same amount of size that some of these guys do. Bear in mind that someone like Jay Cutler uses no other anabolics, except winstrol for the last 2 weeks, and he could experience a signifigant amount of muscle loose at his size by being on such a weak drug at a low dose.

rsnobile, I remain unconvinced that creatine causing any signifigant amount of water retention. The little bit it does should be from a slight increase in muscle glycogen stores. Less than 50 g of dextrose post workout would cause though.

 

[JG1]

Bear in mind that someone like Jay Cutler uses no other anabolics, except winstrol for the last 2 weeks, and he could experience a signifigant amount of muscle loose at his size by being on such a weak drug at a low dose.

Any how do you know what he takes and what he doesn't take?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Any how do you know what he takes and what he doesn't take?

Not known for certain, but rumors from reliable sources. From past conversations, winstrol only (water based, used sublingual) at high doses for the last two weeks before a contest is common with alot of the larger pro's. That is the rumor of what Jay Cutler uses, as far as aas, just prior to competing and it is consistant with what I've had a massive pro tell me he uses as well. If you can catch one and chat with him, you might be surprised how open some of these guys are about what they use. So many do similar things that there really are not any true trade secretes anymore in pro bodybuilding.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Besides, I've heard the same thing on Cutler from 2 different sources. Thus far I've heard nothing about what he might use at any other time, or what other non-aas drugs he might be on at the same time.

 

[JG1]

If you can catch one and chat with him, you might be surprised how open some of these guys are about what they use.

True.

I used to train at the same gym as Juan Marquez, and we used to talk all the time. I was amazed of the amount of gear he used to use....Christ I don't even remember what the doses were...this was about 9 years ago, but I know they were insane. I really miss those days...have fond memories of Juan and Mike Morris constantly bickering at each other.....lol.


I still remember Juan doing standing one arm overhead tricep extentions with a 120lb d-bell for reps during his contest prep...unreal.......