Long winstrol cycles

[Deleted member 33117]

While most of us seemed to be concerned with elevated liver values from using winstrol, I've noticed a fair number of gurus, some of them with good repulations, are recomending longer cycles of winstrol, lasting up to 12 weeks. How many of you have used winstrol for 8 weeks or longer at a lower dose (50 mg eod, 25 mg ed or less) and had bloodwork done to see how it effected your liver values? Is it possible that at these lower doses, alot of guys can get away with using winstrol for extended periods of time without problems?

 

[chesty]

The longest I have used it was for 6 weeks. I noticed some blood in the urine. Of course I was taking 150mg eod. I think that if it was at 50 eod there wouldn't be a problem.

 

[genarr4]

My joints were hurting after 6 weeks at 50mgs/ED. I can't imagine what 12 would be like.

 

[syd black]

I just finished running winny for 8 weeks @50mg eod, have my doctors appt. on monday and will post my results on this thread.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

The longest I have used it was for 6 weeks. I noticed some blood in the urine. Of course I was taking 150mg eod. I think that if it was at 50 eod there wouldn't be a problem.

I've run it at 100 mg ed, for two weeks, just before a show, and didn't have problems, but then again, I came off after two weeks. I haven't had issues at 25 mg ed, but haven't tried to run it for more than 5 weeks at a time. I'm curous if many bros have gotten bloodwork done on longer cycles at lower doses. It seems to work so well with tren, which seems to give me no signifigant sides on longer cycles.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I just finished running winny for 8 weeks @50mg eod, have my doctors appt. on monday and will post my results on this thread.

I would be very interested in seeing your liver enzyme results from the test. Please post them on this thread. What was the rest of your stack like? I know you didn't use winstrol only at 50 mg eod.

 

[syd black]

Kind of a big one,

weeks 1-8 winny 50mgs eod
weeks 16 and counting
weeks 9-? fina 70 something mg ed

Going straight into gh in the next week or so with test and something else, still researching.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Kind of a big one,

weeks 1-8 winny 50mgs eod
weeks 16 and counting
weeks 9-? fina 70 something mg ed

Going straight into gh in the next week or so with test and something else, still researching.

Do you cycle off ever? I stay on a moderate dose of test year round at the very least these days.

 

[celica]

why would one have blood in their urine from winny?

 

[Grainger]

After 6 weeks of Winny 50mg/d my liver results were all normal. I have had my liver checked 3 times a year for the past few years. This is the first time that my liver enzymes were normal. (All the other times that I had tested I had been off cycle!!)

I think all the worry about liver is a little extreme.

 

[Slyder190]

Winny

I wanna run Winny for 8-9 weeks next time around. Anyone esle that can post their experiences with longer Winny cycles?

 

[Mike C.P.T.]

why would one have blood in their urine from winny?

Most likely not from the winny but from other compounds stacked along with possible other drugs. Who knows? Chesty?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

why would one have blood in their urine from winny?

Its possible. In clinical trials, stano did cause renal shutdown in some individuals, although this is a small number. There were probably other factors involved, perhaps a genetic predisposition? Entirely too many people (half the 18-year-old 150 ibs kids at gym for example) use winstrol for this to be exceddingly common.

 

[Livewire]

i ve used winny at 200mg/ed for the last 3 weeks of my last contest....without any sides that would need medical attention.

Only bothersome side was extreme pain in the joints!

 

[rsnoble]

Jesus, blood in urine, liver tests, etc. etc. .........is any of this fucking shit safe????????? What about test??

I think ill just stick to pork chops and beer for weight gain, but if I could find a relatively safer substance to help out a little, I "might" be interested.

I can't use creatine, I like beer too much. Im not going to use prohormones cause I dont want the back acne plus I hear they suck anyways.

Id be more interested in something that I wouldn't loose afterwards. If there is no such thing then fuck it.

What about natural test boosters like tribulus and shit--any good or just hyped up shit? At 34 I get tired a little easier, and my cock doesn't respond as well when im drinking, but other than that I feel almost the same now as I did when I was 18.

 

[IJ26]

i used winny 50 eod for 8 weeks with no problems

 

[runester]

W/an injectable I would'nt run it for that long...HAVE run it for that long ... it samashed my lipids!

Dropped my HDL to almost 0 and w/a totall count of 220...
I do believe most of us underestimate the long term negative affects of our cholesterol balance...my father in law recently had a quintuple (five) bypass open heart surgery and it was pretty bad.

It took me almost six months to balance it out, if you do winny for extended periods include nolva in your pct as it will aid in your effort to get the lipids back in check...

AH...I do love winny and an EQ stack with a little test, I get strong/hard/vascular and the libido is great

R.

 

[Swolenpecs]

I know a guy who uses it almost nonstop.. 50mg/eod.

I told him he should take some time off but i dunno if he did. I havent heard of him complaining about any problems, but it will probably catch up with him when he gets older. He is 24 btw.

 

[syd black]

Do you cycle off ever? I stay on a moderate dose of test year round at the very least these days.


I had been running regular cycles until 4 months ago but I think I will stay on as long as my health stays good. I am going to run growtn non stop for a while, probably some test but will take a stong and a mild drug and just keep mixin it up until I find my favorite combo.

 

[stealth]

You would die if you knew what my sports doc had me on....800mg test cyp per week, 600mg deca per week, 50mg winstrol per week for 20 weeks. I also snuck some tren and dbol at 30 mg a day in. HDL sucked, tess was off the richter scale, I had some HPTA problems. When it came close to the end, we whacked synthroid 200mg and cytomel 125 mg perdya as well. I turned into a Cyborg but my blood work is ok today.

 

[02gixxersix]

Jesus, blood in urine, liver tests, etc. etc. .........is any of this fucking shit safe????????? What about test??

I think ill just stick to pork chops and beer for weight gain, but if I could find a relatively safer substance to help out a little, I "might" be interested.

I can't use creatine, I like beer too much. Im not going to use prohormones cause I dont want the back acne plus I hear they suck anyways.

Id be more interested in something that I wouldn't loose afterwards. If there is no such thing then fuck it.

What about natural test boosters like tribulus and shit--any good or just hyped up shit? At 34 I get tired a little easier, and my cock doesn't respond as well when im drinking, but other than that I feel almost the same now as I did when I was 18.

Why can't you use creatine and beer??? Also don't use prohormones they suck. Winstrol is only liver toxic because it is a 17aa oral. You're not gonna get blood in your liver from test or any other injectable. You're probably not gonna get blood in your urine from any steroid actually.

 

[rsnoble]

Why can't you use creatine and beer??? Also don't use prohormones they suck. Winstrol is only liver toxic because it is a 17aa oral. You're not gonna get blood in your liver from test or any other injectable. You're probably not gonna get blood in your urine from any steroid actually.

I drink a lot of diet pepsi, and have a few beers everynight. This keeps me peeing like a racehorse, which you know creatine is water retention. Im not sure if id want to give up those habits. Possibly the diet pepsi, but im hooked on that shit really bad.

 

[02gixxersix]

I still don't understand why you can't use creatine and drink beer and pepsi. It's not like you can't dirnk water during the day also. I sure hope you don't just drink beer all day, although I do sometimes.

 

[rsnoble]

Well dude your the first person ive come across thinking I can still use it with my bad habits. Have you tried it and it worked for you?

 

[JG1]

i ve used winny at 200mg/ed for the last 3 weeks of my last contest....without any sides that would need medical attention.

Only bothersome side was extreme pain in the joints!

Damn dude, don't take this the wrong way or anything, but is 200mg/day of winny necessary???

Shit, the most I've used is 37.5mg/day and it turned me to granite. What the hell did 200mg/day feel like? I have given up all 17aa's though (cept possibly var) because everytime I get on winny within a couple weeks I get sides pains.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Damn dude, don't take this the wrong way or anything, but is 200mg/day of winny necessary???

Shit, the most I've used is 37.5mg/day and it turned me to granite. What the hell did 200mg/day feel like? I have given up all 17aa's though (cept possibly var) because everytime I get on winny within a couple weeks I get sides pains.

200-300 mg a day is common among alot of serious competetors for the last 2 weeks before a contest. I like 100 myself, but do not need to hold onto the same amount of size that some of these guys do. Bear in mind that someone like Jay Cutler uses no other anabolics, except winstrol for the last 2 weeks, and he could experience a signifigant amount of muscle loose at his size by being on such a weak drug at a low dose.

rsnobile, I remain unconvinced that creatine causing any signifigant amount of water retention. The little bit it does should be from a slight increase in muscle glycogen stores. Less than 50 g of dextrose post workout would cause though.

 

[JG1]

Bear in mind that someone like Jay Cutler uses no other anabolics, except winstrol for the last 2 weeks, and he could experience a signifigant amount of muscle loose at his size by being on such a weak drug at a low dose.

Any how do you know what he takes and what he doesn't take?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Any how do you know what he takes and what he doesn't take?

Not known for certain, but rumors from reliable sources. From past conversations, winstrol only (water based, used sublingual) at high doses for the last two weeks before a contest is common with alot of the larger pro's. That is the rumor of what Jay Cutler uses, as far as aas, just prior to competing and it is consistant with what I've had a massive pro tell me he uses as well. If you can catch one and chat with him, you might be surprised how open some of these guys are about what they use. So many do similar things that there really are not any true trade secretes anymore in pro bodybuilding.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Besides, I've heard the same thing on Cutler from 2 different sources. Thus far I've heard nothing about what he might use at any other time, or what other non-aas drugs he might be on at the same time.

 

[JG1]

If you can catch one and chat with him, you might be surprised how open some of these guys are about what they use.

True.

I used to train at the same gym as Juan Marquez, and we used to talk all the time. I was amazed of the amount of gear he used to use....Christ I don't even remember what the doses were...this was about 9 years ago, but I know they were insane. I really miss those days...have fond memories of Juan and Mike Morris constantly bickering at each other.....lol.


I still remember Juan doing standing one arm overhead tricep extentions with a 120lb d-bell for reps during his contest prep...unreal.......

 

[Deleted member 33117]

True.

I used to train and the same gym as Juan Marquez, and we used to talk all the time. I was amazed of the amount of gear he used to use....Christ I don't even remember what he doses were...this was about 9 years ago, but I know they were insane.

I still remember him doing standing one arm overhead tricep extentions with a 120lb d-bell for reps during his contest prep...unreal.......

Right, the doses I've heard pro's admit too are rediculous. 120 ibs dumbell? Damn! I use 125 ibs on a cambered bar for behind the head extension with both arms, does that count? LoL

 

[JG1]

Right, the doses I've heard pro's admit too are rediculous. 120 ibs dumbell? Damn! I use 125 ibs on a cambered bar for behind the head extension with both arms, does that count? LoL

Yeah he was a strong mofo. Still is I guess...saw he competed in the masters olympia.

I remember there was a magazine article tacked on the wall at the gym with Juan on it and it said "Kid Natural"....he always used to laugh at that one.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

What scares me is not the high test doses, its the high doses of 17-aa drugs and insulin some of them use. 300 mg of d-bol a day for 4 and 5 months at a time or 100 iu's of humalog a day.

 

[02gixxersix]

RSNOBLE- well first off I don't see a remarkable change in my physique while on or off creatine and I will probably only use it now for post cycle or while I'm on insulin. I remember when I was 15 and first started working out creatine seemed to help but I just don't see the price as being worth it really. Rather buy a bottle of test. If I get it really cheap like I did last time off of ebay then Ill use it. As far as using it then drinking beer or diet soda I just don't understand why it would be a problem. I mean any alcohol intake is going to hinder gains. It's not like creatine is liver toxic or anything. I really don't understand the diet pepsi thing. Someone please come on here and correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[rsnoble]

RSNOBLE- well first off I don't see a remarkable change in my physique while on or off creatine and I will probably only use it now for post cycle or while I'm on insulin. I remember when I was 15 and first started working out creatine seemed to help but I just don't see the price as being worth it really. Rather buy a bottle of test. If I get it really cheap like I did last time off of ebay then Ill use it. As far as using it then drinking beer or diet soda I just don't understand why it would be a problem. I mean any alcohol intake is going to hinder gains. It's not like creatine is liver toxic or anything. I really don't understand the diet pepsi thing. Someone please come on here and correct me if I'm wrong.

You very well could be right. Im just going off of what i've heard. I've heard that you want to take in a lot of water when you use creatine or it doesn't work as good. Thus the caffeine in diet pepsi makes you pee more, and we all know beer dehydrates you. I guess I could just try it and see.

In the past I have really had problems with my carpal tunnel swelling up when I use it so thats also a prob. However that was with Celltech (dont go there, i didnt know any better at the time) only. Plus it gave me the shits really bad. The only creatine product I tried that I noticed results with was socals turboblast600. That was years ago, and I was not drinking then like now. To tell you the truth, I get along better the next day after a few beers the night before than I do without. Now what's going on at the molecular level I dont know, but I certainly feel better. And this is also in comparison to the days I didnt drink that much. I just seem to have more get up and go the next day. WTf is that all about??

 

[mikecsa]

I have done winny only cycles(with a little drol thrown in to get things goin) from 50 - 100mg ED for 10-12 weeks, ive had bloodwork done after them...everything was fine except for my test levels, they were still low. Although, i did take milk thistle ED and drink PLENTY of water. Only bad effect from the extended use was hair loss, but nizoral took care of that...

mikecsa Mod @ www.insanebodybuilding.net

 

[Dr. JK]

I have been on winny for over 18 weeks at 100mg EOD. No issues. I am getting off soon and staying off til winter samll cycle with winny and then long cycle in the summer.

I have beend doing this for 3 years in a row. First 2 years had blood work checked after stopping and within 1 month all liver counts returned to normal.

The only thing I never checked was HDL.

 

[StephenDFW]

Can 25mg a day of winny show results?

Does it matter if it is oral or inject at 25mg a day?