Lol at USA

[trex74]

So let me get this straight... I have a right to shelter, but it can be in a crack house in East LA with bullets whizzing in every direction.

And I have a right to food, but it might be food that is killing me.

And I don't have a right to a car because a car is property, but aren't shelter and food property?

And health care is a right, but "better" (your word) isn't a right? So I can get resuscitated from a heart attack but you won't pay for my open heart surgery to make me better? Or is that included? And if that's included, is a heart transplant included as well?

Somebody's gonna need to write these rules down.

here, if you get welfare or disability, you can choose where you live- you could rent a room in a good neighborhood if you like. No need to live in a crack house. There is also subsidized housing.
You can get food from the food bank that are "staple" foods, and buy fresh vegetables with your own money left over from rent. That food won't kill you. It's probably boring, and repetitive, but it's not bad for you. There's even meat from what I hear.
You get a free buspass, so you don't really need a car.
The health care is unlimited. You can get that heart transplant twice if you need it.
Dental is covered for disability, basic care only (cleaning, fillings). If you're on welfare, only your kids are covered for dental.

 

[mrplunkey]

here, if you get welfare or disability, you can choose where you live- you could rent a room in a good neighborhood if you like. No need to live in a crack house. There is also subsidized housing.
You can get food from the food bank that are "staple" foods, and buy fresh vegetables with your own money left over from rent. That food won't kill you. It's probably boring, and repetitive, but it's not bad for you. There's even meat from what I hear.
You get a free buspass, so you don't really need a car.
The health care is unlimited. You can get that heart transplant twice if you need it.
Dental is covered for disability, basic care only (cleaning, fillings). If you're on welfare, only your kids are covered for dental.

So now I have rights if I have money left over? I've never heard of those kinds of rights. How barbaric.

 

[Mr. dB]

Except for the cars, Canada provides all that if you are needy, so i guess we just don't get the 'Amurrican' way

Yeah, but you see, America is special. We have rugged individualism and manifest destiny and The American Dream. Also, we have a government that is so corrupt on every level that we can't possibly trust it to get anything right. But we're the greatest nation on Earth.

 

[canadianhitman]

but in the end.. kill the homeless

Add to that list:

The bums who collect welfare even though they are able-bodied, the stupid little sluts who get knocked up repeatedly so they can get a single mother's allowance check, people who are morbidly obese, retards who will never have a prodcutive day in their whole lives, and the fucking foreigners who come here under the guise of being refugees just so they can collect government cheddar.

We'll bury them all in an abandoned mineshaft up north, let the bodies ferment and break down...and some day we'll have one hell of a nice oil well there.

 

[digimon7068]

Yeah, but you see, America is special. We have rugged individualism and manifest destiny and The American Dream. Also, we have a government that is so corrupt on every level that we can't possibly trust it to get anything right. But we're the greatest nation on Earth.

immigration is always an option

 

[trex74]

You'd like it up here Mr. dB, except the winter probably

 

[brownbrown]

Add to that list:

The bums who collect welfare even though they are able-bodied, the stupid little sluts who get knocked up repeatedly so they can get a single mother's allowance check, people who are morbidly obese, retards who will never have a prodcutive day in their whole lives, and the fucking foreigners who come here under the guise of being refugees just so they can collect government cheddar.

We'll bury them all in an abandoned mineshaft up north, let the bodies ferment and break down...and some day we'll have one hell of a nice oil well there.

Genocide.... sounds like a cure ive heard of before.... a few times....

 

[mrplunkey]

Yeah, but you see, America is special. We have rugged individualism and manifest destiny and The American Dream. Also, we have a government that is so corrupt on every level that we can't possibly trust it to get anything right. But we're the greatest nation on Earth.

You and I completely agree on this point.

But as long as people are falling all over themselves to shovel money into it, of course it's going to be corrupt. It isn't fair to expect people to just stand around while money is being doled-out for every special interest possible.

Here's two little dirty secrets that garden-variety "progressives" don't understand:

1) They think government is somehow taking someone else's money. Guess what? It isn't. Even if they do selectively tax businesses and other income producers, those producers will simply raise prices to pay for the tax.

2) They also believe the money is being diverted to the needy and/or noble causes. It isn't. It's being diverted to the politically connected. People bitch about companies like Haliburton, but that's precisely how the system is supposed to work.

Good times!

 

[brownbrown]

You and I completely agree on this point.

But as long as people are falling all over themselves to shovel money into it, of course it's going to be corrupt. It isn't fair to expect people to just stand around while money is being doled-out for every special interest possible.

Here's two little dirty secrets that garden-variety "progressives" don't understand:

1) They think government is somehow taking someone else's money. Guess what? It isn't. Even if they do selectively tax businesses and other income producers, those producers will simply raise prices to pay for the tax.

2) They also believe the money is being diverted to the needy and/or noble causes. It isn't. It's being diverted to the politically connected. People bitch about companies like Haliburton, but that's precisely how the system is supposed to work.

Good times!

totally agree on the 1st paragraph...

Ob your points about the garden-variety "progressives"
1) Many people that i know that are "liberal / progressive" KNOW that they are getting their money taken. Some are of the wealthier type. And quite a few of the big earning Business dont give a dam of a small tax hike, in a time of World Record earnings for corporations. A few % points of effective tax rate change wont even make a dent in the Net Gains.
Yes, the non conforming ones will try and hike prices, but in the current economy they will lose a decent portion of customer base to the companies that take the minimal hit.

2) The needy isnt the picture of what most people think. Bums and Crack/Meth whores ect.
There are Millions of hard working Americans that make 15-25k a year that support themselfs and dont live off the state. And there are also millions of hard working Americans that make/made 40k- + that have been victims of the outsourcing, down sizing, and the past 4 years of the economy.. Agreed , millions of dollars meant for the less fortunate is being lobbyed to the corporations.... But IT ISNT how the system is supposed to work. If it was designed to work that way, then we wouldnt be in the economic situation we are in now... The buying/bribing of the government has set us in the shitter.

 

[Mr. dB]

You and I completely agree on this point.

Well of course, I was just trying to sum up the right-wing position.