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needsize said:
This is good Needsize. It would be nice if more people did this. I guess that there will always be descrepancies. I sold a few bottle of Schering primo to a buddy (kinda) of mine, a few years back. After using them for 8 weeks and not gaining shit, he tried to tell me that they were fake. Meanwhile I was using the exact same gear from the same order, at a lower dosage, and gained double what he did. The guy just didnt know how to eat and train. I would always see him "socializing" at the gym, while I was busting my ass off. Get the drift.
Mavy, you make an excellent point. People tend to blame their gear before anything else for some reason. Their diet could be terrible while they train twice a week and get 4 hours sleep a night and their gear is the first place they turn when results are less than expected. I guess they think they have a magical get huge potion or something.
There are way too many factors to consider when trying to guage the potency of something you are taking. Age, diet, training, sleep, cycle history, etc. all play a part in determining your results. The theory " I got half the gains so it must be half as potent" doesn't hold any water IMHO.
There are way too many factors to consider when trying to guage the potency of something you are taking. Age, diet, training, sleep, cycle history, etc. all play a part in determining your results. The theory " I got half the gains so it must be half as potent" doesn't hold any water IMHO.
True enough Jubei. I woulld almost bet that if you gave 2 people the same volume of juice, one legit to a slacker and one that was underdosed, to a guy who had everything in check, the guy with the training, diet and rst etc., would still gain more. Sure, placebo may be giving him a little extra push in the gym ... but still. Thats why it really helps to see pics of people who are using instead of what people just tell you. Takes a bit of balls to post them up, but then people have a better idea as to how to take your advice. I am thinking I may post some pics up when I am done my cycle. I took some before pics, so we will have to see how the after ones look! hahaha
Cheers,
Mavy
Cheers,
Mavy
I routinely have products tested but I don't go around announcing the results...I don't have the scans, the guy doing the testing isn't suppose to be doing it.
I will say that some Canadian companies are complete BUNK!
Some Facts(if a lab is legit):
-Aside from Expensive Raw materials (ie TREN, Anavar...), underdosing a product does not increase revenue like some people would tend to think.
Example:
1 kilo of enanthate: $1300
2kilos => 1000 enanthate vials at 200mg/ml, cost of Raw Materials: $2600
1 kilo of Tren(usp24): $12000
1 kilo => makes 660 vials of 75mg/ml
If we underdose it at 50mg/ml, (labeled 75mg/mg) you get 1000 vials instead of 660 vials...all for $12000. That's 330 vials more, and you knmow what people will still get decent results off 50mg/ml.
even if you lowered it by 60mg/ml, you would get an additionnal 198 vials.
So some products are worth underdosing, others...it simply doesn't make sense...(for UG labs)
-MD kisses GAC ass any chance they get. So does Brock Strasser/Bruce Kneller, It's an insult that they would post lab results without the actual scan. It's easily done through San Rafael.
I will say that some Canadian companies are complete BUNK!
Some Facts(if a lab is legit):
-Aside from Expensive Raw materials (ie TREN, Anavar...), underdosing a product does not increase revenue like some people would tend to think.
Example:
1 kilo of enanthate: $1300
2kilos => 1000 enanthate vials at 200mg/ml, cost of Raw Materials: $2600
1 kilo of Tren(usp24): $12000
1 kilo => makes 660 vials of 75mg/ml
If we underdose it at 50mg/ml, (labeled 75mg/mg) you get 1000 vials instead of 660 vials...all for $12000. That's 330 vials more, and you knmow what people will still get decent results off 50mg/ml.
even if you lowered it by 60mg/ml, you would get an additionnal 198 vials.
So some products are worth underdosing, others...it simply doesn't make sense...(for UG labs)
-MD kisses GAC ass any chance they get. So does Brock Strasser/Bruce Kneller, It's an insult that they would post lab results without the actual scan. It's easily done through San Rafael.
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HULKSTER
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Hold on a minute, we must have a different LFC. I made a mistake, so please disregard my posts on this subject.....Mine was part of a stack anyway, so I shouldn't have stated what I did unless I used that product without it being part of a stack. My sincerest apologies to all.
Bigandy69
Intersting post with suppling the info on raw costs, excellent
number crunching if dosages were cut. If one were to have low test. you would take 200 mgs. every two weeks to bring it in a higher normal range. I have low normal range and the endocrinologist would not supplement yet. Took spector what a difference, although not scientific I know how I feel, much better.
One standard for testing is how one feels. If the treatment works you have found the answer. If it doesn't work it would be a different problem all together. How much bigger you get on a cycle
is one indication of how it is working. There are others though.
Intersting post with suppling the info on raw costs, excellent
number crunching if dosages were cut. If one were to have low test. you would take 200 mgs. every two weeks to bring it in a higher normal range. I have low normal range and the endocrinologist would not supplement yet. Took spector what a difference, although not scientific I know how I feel, much better.
One standard for testing is how one feels. If the treatment works you have found the answer. If it doesn't work it would be a different problem all together. How much bigger you get on a cycle
is one indication of how it is working. There are others though.
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Johnny Cut
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Re: Bigandy69
NOT AT ALL
If two people take the same thing humangrade Upjohn Cyp and one eats properly and one doesnt, the person eating properly will grow like a weed, the other persona may not grow at all
then would u blame upjohn for selling fake underdosed gear?
deanosig said:
NOT AT ALL
If two people take the same thing humangrade Upjohn Cyp and one eats properly and one doesnt, the person eating properly will grow like a weed, the other persona may not grow at all
then would u blame upjohn for selling fake underdosed gear?
excellent infojohnny cut
I don't think you fully got what I'm saying, get away from how big or not getting big you are from a cycle. That is not the only standard for evaluting test aas. Everyone can keep comparing 2 guys on a aas, and how gets bigger than the other because of how much he eats or trains, then you still don't get it. Other metabolic changes take place, increased lobido, acne, increase of satisfaction of ones well being, etc. People have different amounts of free testosterone, one may have more receptor sites
to increase the affects of test and other aas.
I don't think you fully got what I'm saying, get away from how big or not getting big you are from a cycle. That is not the only standard for evaluting test aas. Everyone can keep comparing 2 guys on a aas, and how gets bigger than the other because of how much he eats or trains, then you still don't get it. Other metabolic changes take place, increased lobido, acne, increase of satisfaction of ones well being, etc. People have different amounts of free testosterone, one may have more receptor sites
to increase the affects of test and other aas.
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