Let's pool our knowledge

[ericahls]

Hey Bros,

I thought it would be helpful if we all shared our experiences with the various compounds we have used. It would be nice to have in one place a general consensus about a particular steroid, the pros and cons. This would be especially useful to newbie’s looking to expand their understanding how roids affect us and for more experienced users, a useful tool to help them pick a new compound.

Please only comment on the steroids that you have intimate knowledge of.

Remember, the more experiences reported, the more relevant this info will be.

Anadrol 50 (Oxymetholone)

Pros:
I have never gained as much as I did on this roid. Without question I was the strongest and biggest I have ever been using this.

Cons:
The only steroid that made my hair thin out. I would wakeup in the morning and find strands of hair on my pillow.
Got really bad acne on my shoulders and back. I became very puffy, bloated.
Lactated. Started my gyno.
Became very aggressive.


Equipoise (Boldenone)

Pros:
Very few sides.
Slow but solid gains in muscle.
Great vascularity.

Cons:
Sporadic hunger pains. Tend to go off my diet more.
Takes a long time to kick-in.
Not a very dramatic change in size or strength.

Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Pros:
Very solid and lean build can be achieved.
Strength increase very noticeable.
Few sides.

Cons:
Joints start to feel sore. Makes you worry about going heavy.
Feel worn out and tired if I go above 60mg/day or stay on for more than 4 weeks.

 

[help4john]

DBOL (Dianabol/Methandrostenolone)
Pros:
Unbelievable strength gain in a short period of time.
Very inexpensive and accessible.
Great to jumpstart a cycle.

Cons:
As with any c17, should only be taken for a short period of time.
Causes my blood pressure to increase.
Gyno and water retention problems.

Testosterone Suspension

Pros:
Short half-life, good for drug tests.
Immediate strength gains and equal increases in mass.
Most powerful injectible.

Cons:
Water-based test product so frequent injections can be painful.
Gains are great but difficult to keep.
Estrogen build-up and bloat.

 

[khemix]

Trenbolone Acetate
Pros:
Kicks in in 2 weeks usually.
Extremely intense pumps, but usually never painful.
Helacious vascularity, never seen anything like it before.
Thermogenic. Makes me sweat easily and shed fat, even while bulking.
Very big strength gains.

Cons:
Night sweats can be annoying.
Increased aggression.
Light acne occationally.
Have to shoot every other day.

I'll post more when I've got more time. Keep in mind these are from my experiences, they differ some.

Chris

 

[khemix]

I'm curious, which mod stickied this? I wanna give you some karma. And I think we should change the name so it's more directly to noobs by the title. This could become a great thread so lets keep it going fellas! K+ to you Ericahls.

Chris

 

[The Terminator]

Anadrol
Pros:
Massive RAPID weight and strength gain
GREAT for QUICK size
(My PERSONAL favorite oral)

Cons:
Alot of puffiness and water weight that makes one smooth out too much
Gives me puffy nipples (while on it)

Anavar
Pros:
Mild nearly side effect free
No antiestrogens needed

Cons:
Expensive
Minimal overall returns for ALOT of money invested

Dbol
Pros:
Quick weight and strength gains
Works well with an AI
Inexpensive

Cons:
TOO MUCH water weight producing a pronounced bloated look
Gyno...
An Ill, flulike lethargic feeling

Testosterone:
Pros:
INCREASED SEX DRIVE (that's THE BEST THING ABOUT IT )
Good weight and strength gains
Inexpensive
Readily available from any source
Works well with an AI


Cons:
It makes me a damn sasquatch (too much body hair growth)

Deca:
Pros: NONE, FUCK DECA
Actually, it does make my sore elbow feel ALOT BETTER

Cons:
It messes my libido WAY TOO BADLY
Sides harder to control than test derived drugs
Mildly Expensive

EQ:
Pros:
Vascularity
Slow steady LEAN MASS gains
(Besides Test, EQ is my favorite injectable )
Mild on androgenic sides

Cons:
Some users get exacerbated anxiety (I occassionally get it while on EQ myself)

 

[iHulk]

Sustanon 250
(Propionate, phenylpropionate, isocaproate, decanoate)

Pros:
Great cycle for a newbie
Blend of four testosterone components
Incredible strength and mass gains
Once a week injections (oil based)
Sustain gains after cycle
Get tons of boners and have incredible sex drive
Highly anabolic and androgenic
Aromatizes less than other testosterones. This tranlates to a lower risk of gyno and will tend to not give you as much of a "puffy look" as say testosterone cypionate or enanthate would.

cons:
Little back/shoulder acne (but not always)
there is some bloating but comes down after cycle
sex drive decreases a lot after cycle: returns to normal though
some irretability

 

[LVTitan]

test enth, sust
pros
put on a lot of size, gained a lot of weight
great strenght gains
increased sex drive
cheap, easy to get
1x or 2x week dosing with long esters

cons
last cyle started growing chest hair, not bad but fuzz
ACNE, usually around 8 weeks, and really bad post cycle
aggression increase

deca

pros
good size/strength builder
makes me last longer in the sack
i deca termie

cons
i never noticed any neg effects, but i stacked it with test.

dbol
pros
cheap
good for adding some size/strength but not as much as test for me.

cons
harsh on liver
killed my cholesterol level
acne
have to take it several times during the day.

 

[cboogsrun]

Test en:
Pros: When front loaded very quick gains in strength and size. Increases focus and intensity
Cons: Bloated terribly from frontloading, body hair, easily aggitated

Winstrol:
Pros: keepable gains, injects super quick
cons: Painfull injections soreness, joints, price

Deca:
Pros: Hated deca ended up cutting short because of errection issues even while stacking with test
Cons: Everything

Dbol:
Pros: Can't really think of any Need to try different kind besied bionabol
cons: Didn't notice any difference in gains from just using test by itself

Tren en:
Pros: Vascularity even when being bloated from test en, 20lbs of strength gained a week on major muscles
cons: price accessibility

 

[FknKnuckleHd]

A50
Pros: I got strong as hell
Cons: The bloat was horrible, gyno, I had flu like symptoms which affected my workouts.
The verdict: I wouldn't take it ever again

Test en:
Pros: Good strength grains, sex drive went through the ROOF!, good gains in size.
Cons:Some bloat but, bloat that I can live with and it takes a few weeks to kick in.
The verdict: I love it and it has a place in everyone of my cycles.

Deca:
Pros: Good strength gains, good mass gains, very little if any bloat so with Deca I can gain mass & strength while still keeping my definition. It works wonders on sore joints.
Cons: Personally I have yet to find one
The verdict: It too has a place in everyone of my cycles.

Dbol:
Pros: Great strength and mass gains, it kicks in very fast and works amazingly with Deca even at low dosages(20-25mg ed). Price.
Cons: acne, bloat and gyno.
The verdict: It has a place in my winter cycles

HGH:
Pros: Burns fat, great for my tendons and joints.
Cons: Price, its very fragile.
The verdict: I would not take unless it was free......it is, for now at least. You'll see better results from taking a cycle of Winstrol for 12 wks than a 4 month cycle of growth @ 4iu's ed.

Tren/ Finaplix:
Pros: GREAT strength & mass gains, burns fat, good definition, price.
Cons: I've been known to hurt people while on it, injections are taken everyday and I hear it's toxic.
The verdict: Its great but I can't do another cycle until all the scare tissue heals from my last tren cycle. I'm a sales rep and its been know to effect my interaction with my clients.

Eq:
Pros:
Cons: Its very simular to Deca but only weaker. So why take it when you can take Deca. I never saw anything good from Eq.
The verdict: I'm sticking with Deca

Test C:
See Test-En

Winstrol:
Pros: Great definition, you gain lean quality mass, its water based so a 27g needle works fine, its a site specific type of steroid.
Cons: price and the ed injections(you can drink it but I guess I'm too old school for that)
The verdict: Its one of my favorites

Insulin:
Pros: Dirt cheap, works wonders when mixed with growth.
Cons: It can kill you....enough said.
The verdict: I would only risk it if I'm taking growth and even them I only use it on the days I workout @ 8-10 ius after my morning wkout.


Nolvadex:
HCG: They are a must to have for your PCT
Clomid:

FKH

 

[wls8687]

The last but not the least:
MASTERON:
POSITIVE:
Leans me out like crazy,no direct sides..make's me happy.
NEGATIVE:
Quite expensive,hard on you'r scalp.

 

[LVTitan]

eric i gotta wait till i give ya karma again.

 

[bbkingpinn]

hGH

Pros: Eat lots of calories without adding any fat

Cons: Expense, and storage.

 

[smaretick]

Turanabol:

Pros: decent strength & size gains in relatively short period
relatively available
decent anabolic effect
little/no sides
minimal PCT needed

Cons: liver toxic (17-alpha alkylated)

 

[TheRide]

EQ

Pro: Low sides, quality gains, great vascularity, lean hard look
Con: takes a while to kick in

Test (Sust, Enth, Cyp, Prop)
Pro - great strenth. sex drive, overall feeling of well being
Con - gyno, HPTA level, acne

Winstol Depot
Pro - works well on a calorie restriced diet, great cutting agent
Con - hurts, multiple shots a week, alot of fake Zambons, sore joint and cholest was hit pretty hard by it.

Primo
Pro - low to no sides, slow gradual and keepable gains
Con - FAKES, $$$$, usually only 100mg/amp, oh and FAKES

Deca
Pro - great strength, good size, high MG preps availible, easy to find, helps my shoulder soreness
Con - deca dick, acne and post cycle rebound for me.

Var
Pro - will tell you in 12 weeks when I start
Con - I only have enough for 30mg/day!

Clomid, Nolva, HCG
Needed... Pro's/Con's not needed...

 

[TheRide]

BUMP!

 

[LVTitan]

BUMP!

did you honestly just bump a sticky ? LMAO

 

[Raffaz]

Dbol

Pros :
Love it to kickstart cycle
Nice quick gains
Cheap
Superb Pumps

Cons :
Water retention (can be controlled with nolva)
Harsh on Liver

A50

Pros :
Very fast gains

Cons :
Acne
Kidney Pains
Terrible Bloat
General feeling of being unwell
Harsh on Liver

Winstrol

Pros :
Quality Gains
Muscle Hardness

Cons :
Joint Pain
Harsh on Liver
Expensive

Sust

Pros :
Increased Libido
Nice gains in weight and strength
Cheap

Cons :
Become slightly aggressive
Oily skin

Deca

Pros :
Makes me nice and lean, especially with winstrol
Good strength

Cons :
Only get results over 600mg pw
Expensive for a cycle
Deca dick (always have to stack with test)

EQ

Pros :
Quality muscle gains even at low doses
Excellent vascularity

Cons :
None really apart from hunger, so i never use for cutting

Primo

Pros :
Can build muscle even when calories are restricted
Gets me nice and lean with no bloat

Cons :
Its to DAMN hard to get hold of now!!
Expensive

Thats me done

 

[Optimus B]

test enth

pros:
-good strength gains, pumps, overall muscle gains
-huge sex drive
-inexpensive
-sides easily combatted using an anti-a

cons:
-increased my bp
-slightly bloated me

anavar

pros:
-great pumps, strength gains
-slow and steady muscle gains
-zero side effects
-suppressed my appetite (great for cutting)

cons:
-only side effect was lightening of wallet

winstrol

pros:
-really hardened me up, no bloating at all

cons:
-killer on the joints, and i mean KILLER
-goodbye hair

tren

pros:
-best thing i've used in terms of strength, lean muscle gains, pumps, vascularity
-roid that made me feel the closest to superman, lol

cons:
-really jacked up my bp
-acne on shoulders and back

eq

pros:
-slow, steady, keepable gains
-few sides
-awesome vascularity
-the only steroid that i felt increased my aerobic capacity

cons:
-slow onset (2-3 weeks)

dianabol

pros:
-ridiculous pumps, strength gains
-fast onset

cons:
-pumps are so ridiculous that they make walking hurt due to lower back and calf pain
-big time bloating

 

[TheRide]

did you honestly just bump a sticky ? LMAO

just realized that it was a sticky!!! DOH!!!

 

[Slyder190]

D-bol-
Pros- Quick stength gains and quick gains in size.
Cons- A LOT of water retention and painful back pumps.

Test (long and short esters)-
Pros- Huge strength and size increases
Off the hook libido
Cons- Water retention, but it can be controlled greatly with the use of
A-dex and Nolva.
- I prefer Prop or over longer estaers because Pct can begin
sooner and with less planning on when to use a short ester
at the end of a cycle

EQ-
Pros- Never used it to bulk, only to cut, but couldn't see the big deal
Cons - Too long to kick in and clear.
Couldn't do anything for a harder,
more vascular look than Winny can.

Deca-
Pros- A nice all around storoid. Nice gains without much water retention
Cons- Takes too long to clear.


Winny-
Pros- I've used it to cut and bulk. Nice strength gains
stacked with test.
Hardness and vascularity that I fell in love with the first time
Cons- Honestly none for me, not even sore joints.

Tren-
Pros- I've used it to cut and bulk. AWESOME Strength gains when stacked
with test.
Sick vascularity, even when bulking.
Agressiveness in the gym. This compound didn't turn me into a
hard-ass punk, but it did make me CONSIDERABLY more agressive in
the gym. I just wanted to tear up the weights every time, even
when cutting.
Cons- The night sweats so bad I hate so much I opted not to use it
again.
Insomnia so bad I had to get a script for Ambien. again, another
reason I opt to not use it again.

And K to Ericahls

 

[Outtlaw]

Sustenon
Pros: great lean mass gains with little to no bloat… even at low dosages.
Cons: Hurts like a bitch and I have to inject too much of it now to bulk with it.

Deca
Pros: Excellent mass drug. A little goes a long way.
Cons: I experience some bloat, and it gave me excessive acne.

Test Prop
Pros: Works instantly, good strength gains, increased sex drive.
Cons: Hurts like hell, has to be injected frequently, and I never made good mass gains on it. One of the drugs I’ll only use for cutting from now on.

Tren
Pros: By far the best substance I’ve used. Insane strength gains, quality mass gains, excellent for cutting cycles.
Cons: Very harsh on the kidneys (wouldn’t use for more than 8-9wks), and doesn’t work well as a bulker for me. Another one of the drugs I’ll only use for cutting.

Primo
Pros: Hmmm.... I'll have to think about this one.
Cons: Very expensive and very mild drug. Have to inject too much of it for it to be effective. I put this in the category with GH… the price is simply not worth the gains.

Winstrol
Pros: Very effective cutting drug, cheap and easy to come by. ( I prefer the pill form)
Cons: Joint irritation. Really has to be taken ED for the best results.

Anadrol
Pros: Increased strength, pumps, and endurance in the gym. (Got my best results at 50-75mg/day).
Cons: Very harsh on the liver (I had liver pains while on this) and not very effective for me as a muscle builder… even at doses up to 150mg/day. (This is one of the drugs that after I run out of my stock I will most likely never use it again).

Anavar
Didn’t run it long enough to really evaluate the benefits, but it’s expensive and 4wks at 35mg/day did nothing for me. I’ll use it again when I can get ahold of enough of it to really run it correctly.

Dianabol
Pros: Awsome mass gains, and good strength gains. Works well at low dosages, and stacks well next to almost anything. ( I use dbol in almost every cycle I do).
Cons: Causes bloat, raises my BP (which could set off things like headaches, nosebleeds, etc.). And one of the drugs that I’m gyno sensitive to.

Drugs Im testing now:
EQ, Test Enanthate

 

[skacorica]

Ive not experimented with a lot of variety, but here is my experiences:

Dbol:
Good strength gains, good mass gains. I put on a lot of weight in the first few days. usually 4 or 5 lbs (most of it is water obviously) but it is definately a confidence booster and gets me motivated to see things working. I personally have to take more than 30 mg a day to see anything though.
Cons: I get occaisonal headaches, higher bp for sure, and don't seem to have as much stamina for my soccer/bball games. Could just be the extra weight, but I dont know. Slight gyno symptoms, but Ive not had anything too bad yet as far as gyno goes. Also If I dont get enough sleep, I start feeling horrible.

Sust 250:
I use in conjunction with Dbol. Good strength and mass gains. I really dont seem to have many side effects with it. No test flu for me.
Cons: I HATE injecting it. I mean, I really hate injecting it. Mostly because I get so sore from it, and Ive never been a big fan of pins anyway. Its serves its purpose though, so gotta do what you gotta do. Kills my athletic performance due to soreness in muscle. Also seems to shut my boys down pretty badly.

Winstrol:
I actually react very well to winny as far as mass and strength gains. Its supposed to be a cutting aid, but I actually gain quite well on it. Definately good for muscle hardness, and I get crazy vascularity while on it.
Cons: oh my aching joints. G&C is a must while on this if you arent on deca.

 

[slat1]

STEN
pros - I can't find one
cons - does nothing for me, I broke out for the first time ever with it... been a problem ever since.

METHYL TEST (Russian dbol)
pros - cost, immdiate strength gains, considerable size gains.
cons - liver toxic, can't run that long, back hair growth, head hair loss.

 

[FknKnuckleHd]

A50
Pros: I got strong as hell
Cons: The bloat was horrible, gyno, I had flu like symptoms which affected my workouts.
The verdict: I wouldn't take it ever again

Test en:
Pros: Good strength grains, sex drive went through the ROOF!, good gains in size.
Cons:Some bloat but, bloat that I can live with and it takes a few weeks to kick in.
The verdict: I love it and it has a place in everyone of my cycles.

Deca:
Pros: Good strength gains, good mass gains, very little if any bloat so with Deca I can gain mass & strength while still keeping my definition. It works wonders on sore joints.
Cons: Personally I have yet to find one
The verdict: It too has a place in everyone of my cycles.

Dbol:
Pros: Great strength and mass gains, it kicks in very fast and works amazingly with Deca even at low dosages(20-25mg ed). Price.
Cons: acne, bloat and gyno.
The verdict: It has a place in my winter cycles

HGH:
Pros: Burns fat, great for my tendons and joints.
Cons: Price, its very fragile.
The verdict: I would not take unless it was free......it is, for now at least. You'll see better results from taking a cycle of Winstrol for 12 wks than a 4 month cycle of growth @ 4iu's ed.

Tren/ Finaplix:
Pros: GREAT strength & mass gains, burns fat, good definition, price.
Cons: I've been known to hurt people while on it, injections are taken everyday and I hear it's toxic.
The verdict: Its great but I can't do another cycle until all the scare tissue heals from my last tren cycle. I'm a sales rep and its been know to effect my interaction with my clients.

Eq:
Pros:
Cons: Its very simular to Deca but only weaker. So why take it when you can take Deca. I never saw anything good from Eq.
The verdict: I'm sticking with Deca

Test C:
See Test-En

Winstrol:
Pros: Great definition, you gain lean quality mass, its water based so a 27g needle works fine, its a site specific type of steroid.
Cons: price and the ed injections(you can drink it but I guess I'm too old school for that)
The verdict: Its one of my favorites

Insulin:
Pros: Dirt cheap, works wonders when mixed with growth.
Cons: It can kill you....enough said.
The verdict: I would only risk it if I'm taking growth and even them I only use it on the days I workout @ 8-10 ius after my morning wkout.


Nolvadex:
HCG: They are a must to have for your PCT
Clomid:

FKH

I forgot one:

Sust250 / Omn250
Pros: Its was great for a first cycle, it works well by itself, decent strength & mass gains.
Cons: I bloat way too much off of either one, I get much better results from either Test-E or Test-C
The verdict: I've got no love for it

 

[mr.cuts]

I forgot one:

Sust250 / Omn250
Pros: Its was great for a first cycle, it works well by itself, decent strength & mass gains.
Cons: I bloat way too much off of either one, I get much better results from either Test-E or Test-C
The verdict: I've got no love for it

I agree with you in regards to sust/omna. For some reason I retain much more water compared to either enanthate or cypionate.

 

[riverrock]

Test Propionate:

Pros: Fast Acting, Reasonable Price, Works well in moderate doses, stacks well with anything, keepable gains unlike Test Suspension,

Cons: Needs injections E2D, Sort Injections

Test Suspension:

Pros: Dramatic strength and size gains, fast acting

Cons Harsh on liver, frequent injections needed, gains dificult to keep

 

[BOOEY]

Guess I won't be trying A-bombs anytime soon!

 

[slat1]

I forgot this one:

DENKALL DBOL:
pros: cheap, no shots
cons: no noticeable strength gains, bloated the hell out of me, waste of money
verdict: Kick me in the balls if you hear of me using this stuff again.

 

[Dial_tone]

Test Cyp
Excellent size and strength with significant water retention, lots of sides but most are easily managed. I'm too estrogen sensitive to use a lot. Great choice for ectomorphs.

Fina/Trenbolone
Excellent size and strength with no water retention; makes me lethargic after 6-8 weeks. Painful pumps about a month in; blood pressure also went up while on. Good choice for endo/mesomorphs.

Deca
Excellent size and strength with little water retention; recovery can be difficult if pct is poorly planned. Another good choice for ectomorphs.

EQ
Mild size/strength gains; call it a weaker Deca with fewer sides. Good choice for endo/mesomorphs.

Primo
Mild size/strength gains; call it an expensive but even safer EQ. Great choice for endo/mesomorphs and contest dieters. Not cost effective for bulk cycles compared to EQ.

Dianabol
Good size/strength gains; Good choice to jumpstart a cycle; moderate to high side effects; cost-effective.

IGF-1
Good size/strength gains when combined with AAS; minimal sides other than frequent and irritating hand numbness. Little to mild water retention. Potential for fat loss. Call it a faster-acting (therefore cheaper) GH, although cost-effectiveness is debateable.

 

[Slydog]

Rather than add to what has already been mentioned amongst the vets out there, because anyone who's been in this game for a while has probably experience every product posted so far... Lets get into more advanced supplementation.

For instance I'm a recent national qualifier who is looking to make increased gains and looking for the most advanced ways of utilizing the latest technology.
Has anyone had any expereience with the following stack: HGH, IGF-1, and Slin?
If so, did you use anabolics with this stack or could I use this stack as more or less a bridge til I am ready for my next go round? Please post experience. I've done tons of research but most say that this is only a good stack to use with anabolics. However I would prefer to hear from the vets on this board rather than some research article posted by Joe Schmo

 

[LVTitan]

I forgot this one:

DENKALL DBOL:
pros: cheap, no shots
cons: no noticeable strength gains, bloated the hell out of me, waste of money
verdict: Kick me in the balls if you hear of me using this stuff again.

yes that shit is garbage !!!

 

[slat1]

don't know how to send encripted email or to who to send it to. How do i do this to ask questions I don't want to ask on this board?

That has absolutely nothing to do with this thread... red karma... first time I ever sent that!

 

[theslime]

Here are my personal views on slin,gh and igf

HGH:
Pros: Fat loss (becomes evident around week 3 for me). Can be used off-cycle to maintain gains (main use for me).
Cons: No obvious strength or muscle gain by itself. Of course, it's very expensive too.

IGF:
Pros: Increased hunger if you want to bulk up.
Cons: Same as GH. No obvious strength or muscle gain by itself.

INSULIN:
Pros: Good gains in mass.
Cons: Very easy to gain fat. Requires frequent injections and timing of carbs.

I must add that even when these three are combined, the strength and mass gains for me have been less than with most steroids.

 

[ericahls]

Oral Turinabol (Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone)

Pros:
I seem to put on bloat free size fairly quickly.
It kicks-in very fast 2-3 days.
Pumps are good and strength was decent
Great oral to jump start a long acting oil cycle like EQ


Cons:
Effects seemed to diminish after 3.5 weeks. Adding some Winny seemed to jump start the gains again.
Strength was not a good as Winny for me.

Overall I like OT and will use it again.

 

[little chris]

Ok...

SUST

Pros...good strength increase, sexdrive in high gear, less bloat when using smaller doses than say test enth or cyp.
Cons...none to think, never had the painful injects.

PRIMO

Pros...Mild to Moderate AAS. Excellent for quality lean mass. Zero sides. Moderate increase in strength, size, vascularity. Great drug for anything.

Cons...Needs to be used in higher doses for good effectiveness, $$$ expensive.

DECA

Pros...Very good drug for size and strength. Clean drug.

Cons...A dick killer, to me months to recover from on just 300mgs. Never Again!