Let's Lose This Myth Once And For All!!!

[solidspine]

Why not lose the myth that the nonsense you have been pushing is important to most of use.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Do you think we do this because we are trying to improve our health?

No one wants to intentionally abuse, hurt or damage them selves, but we all come damm close on a regular basis,

Fina, Dnp, T3, HCG, Clen --- did you think we take these products to improve our health,


I hate to be the one to break to you and the boy from Montana, but body building is about appearance sorry to shake your world, but as some sage man said

“Facts are facts” or translated from NM jargon to English,,, ah duh?

I would prefer people to do things in a healthy way, if they choose to use steroids. Abuse is different than use.

I abused steroids, and now I use them.

Put another way (apologies to Chris Rock):

I love steroid users, but I hate Juice-Heads.

 

[rdel85]

Why not lose the myth that the nonsense you have been pushing is important to most of use.

I enjoy Nelson's post whether I agree with them or not. Maybe his statements are not 100% accurate, but their is truth to them. I think these posts stimulate thought and raise people's awareness. These are both good for the board. I would rather read this thread then the other 50 threads on the front page like "do I need PCT for this cycle" or dbol only cycles.

 

[Nelson Montana]

As for "feeling" effects, that's subjective, and not really...well, accurately quantifiable in this regard.

How you look is also well subjective and not really well, accurately quantifiable in this regard,


Just coincidentally the overwhelming single most important aspect of body building. Not how much test is in your system or if it is there on day 2 or day 2.5 or the same day as your Fina or ¼ of a day after the day you inject your 2nd deca shot.

Guess what Ain,t important, almost irrelevant at least to 99% of the body builders in the world.

Do you think we do this because we are trying to improve our health?

No one wants to intentionally abuse, hurt or damage them selves, but we all come damm close on a regular basis,

Fina, Dnp, T3, HCG, Clen --- did you think we take these products to improve our health,


I hate to be the one to break it to you and the boy from Montana, but body building is about appearance

sorry to shake your world, but as some sage man said (Plagiarized )

“Facts are facts” or translated from NM jargon to English,,, ah duh?

Okay, I'm really starting to worry about you. You are an example of someone obsessed. I'm sorry that at fifty-something your life is so vacuous that all that matters is how much gear you can use and how much more space you can take up. You think that's what bodybuilding is? Maybe if you're a pro. You ain't.

Look at the picture in your sig. It's Steve Reeves. All 190 pounds of him. Beautiful. He was most probably a life time natty. (If not, we're talking tiny, tiny dosages. He wasn't that big at all). Are you saying he wasn't a bodybuilder?

I'm fully aware that health isn't the number one concern in bodybuildig these days. But the total disregard of it seems stupid. You can have both.

Personally, I'd rather have women like the look of my body than be the biggest guy with no life at the squat rack. I'd rather be healthy than sitting in a hospital bed saying "Yippee! I made it to 275 with 6% body fat!"


The whole point of this thread was for informational purposes. (The posts made by Anthony and AAP have been excellant, by the way). It turned into a feeble effort to discredit me or AR or anybody within range. But now, I think we can all see why. Sometimes, there's a frightened child crying for attention -- needing to be bigger so no one can hurt him anymore. And if he thinks he's been wrong, he becomes more scared and lashes out. That's all this is.

Seriously bro. Take a step back. Don't become yet another casulaity of what is otherwise a great activity.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Okay, I'm really starting to worry about you. You are an example of someone obsessed. I'm sorry that at fifty-something your life is so vacuous that all that matters is how much gear you can use and how much more space you can take up. You think that's what bodybuilding is? Maybe if you're a pro. You ain't.

Look at the picture in your sig. It's Steve Reeves. All 190 pounds of him. Beautiful. He was most probably a life time natty. (If not, we're talking tiny, tiny dosages. He wasn't that big at all). Are you saying he wasn't a bodybuilder?

I'm fully aware that health isn't the number one concern in bodybuildig these days. But the total disregard of it seems stupid. You can have both.

Personally, I'd rather have women like the look of my body than be the biggest guy with no life at the squat rack. I'd rather be healthy than sitting in a hospital bed saying "Yippee! I made it to 275 with 6% body fat!"


The whole point of this thread was for informational purposes. (The posts made by Anthony and AAP have been excellant, by the way). It turned into a feeble effort to discredit me or AR or anybody within range. But now, I think we can all see why. Sometimes, there's a frightened child crying for attention -- needing to be bigger so no one can hurt him anymore. And if he thinks he's been wrong, he becomes more scared and lashes out. That's all this is.

Seriously bro. Take a step back. Don't become yet another casulaity of what is otherwise a great activity.

The best example of this was when Jay Cutler did an interview with FHM. He spoke about being a joke to the general population and getting made fun of.

I'm just not into that "look"...

 

[nisser512]

worldclass: Have you got a point to make besides criticism about nothing?

nisser: I am not self proclaimed since I have credentials. What are yours? I also am not admittedly an expert in science. Never said I was, so you're wrong there too. This is a seperate issue. You don't need to be an expert in nautical engeneering to know if you have a hole in your boat.

Solidspine: You know nothing of my work, nor do you offer any contrarian theories of your own. You just complain. It's almost as if you resent having to think beyond your narrow framework. Of course, you will always find someone with an equally narrow point of view to agree with you. I guess it makes you all feel bigger if you stick together.

I welcome other perspectives. And I stand by my statements because they are correct. I have yet to hear any evididence to the contrary, though there have been some adendums that have been insightful. But not from any of you. I have, however, heard a lot of whining about a thread none of you can seem to stop paying attention to.


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What credentials? You got your BSc and PhD from wherE? Mama's basement suite? Seriously, stfu. If you want to have civil discussions, then do so with tact but dont' come here acting all high and mighty when you're far from it. Your "facts" are nothing more than uneducated opinions.

 

[ProtienFiend]

STEROIDS DO NOT TAKE WEEKS TO "KICK IN"!!!

I have to agree, I get sick pumps after a few days on Test E (low dose even).

 

[Nelson Montana]

What credentials?
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BEEN INVOLVED IN THE INDUSTRY FOR OVER 30 YEARS. OVER 300 ARTICLES PUBLISHED. TWO BOOKS. ENDORSED BY SOME OF THE TOP PEOPLE IN THE FIELD. RAN TRAINING BUSINESS FOR YEARS. BEEN QUOTED IN MAGAZINES, BOOKS AND ON NATIONAL TELEVISON. HEY, YOU ASKED. THERE'S MORE IF YOU LIKE.


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You got your BSc and PhD from wherE? Mama's basement suite?


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DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH KNOW-NOTHING KIDS BRO. YOU'RE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK FOOLISH.


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Seriously, stfu. If you want to have civil discussions, then do so with tact but dont' come here acting all high and mighty when you're far from it.

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I REALLY DON'T THINK I DO THAT, DO I? SURE, I HAVE A FLAIR FOR THE DRAMATIC AND I LIKE TO PRESENT THINGS IN AN ENTERTAINING FASHION. I MAY EVEN BE MORE PROVOCATIVE THAN THE NORM. JUST TRYING TO KEEP THINGS INTERESTING. IT SURE BEATS POSTS LIKE "WHAT'S THE BEST TESTOSTERONE." (HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW MANY HITS THIS THREAD HAS GOTTEN?) BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME PEOPLE FIND IT THREATENING. BUT ONLY IF THEY'RE INSECURE. MOST BROS ARE COOL WITH IT, EVEN IF THEY DON'T AGREE 100%.


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Your "facts" are nothing more than uneducated opinions.

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A GROUNDLESS STATEMENT. IF YOU HAVE A RETORT , MAKE IT. SPOUTING UNJUSTIFIED CLAIMS AND BASELESS INSULTS JUST WEAKENS YOUR POINT -- NOT THAT YOU HAD ONE.

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[ProtienFiend]

NELSON MONTANA WOULD YOU FUCKING GROW UP
OR SHUT THE FUCK UP,
YOU ARE REALLY STARTING TO PISS PEOPLE OFF.

FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST.




Kicking in for most people is not a technical issue, and it is of course
VERY Debatable, Very much an opinion, and very, very disputable.


Are you tying to say I FEEL deca at the exact same time as someone else does?
Maybe some one 35 years younger than me, who is on gear for the first time.

Again your statement is inane, as always

Why do you have to lean in to a punch on every fricken tread, Why do you have to be the all knowing expert, the only authority? Hasn’t that bothered you before, it would bother normal people.





A fact is a fact, give me a break, global warming will kill us all- All gore,

It is indisputable, gear does not take weeks to kick in—nelson Montana,





Has nothing to do with the guys on gear but it is nelson’s opinion again, nothing more just his opinion.


Why again is it SO IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BE THE AUTHORITY!!!!


In the past the information that most of received and learned from was not crammed down our throats as the only way, because “I” am an expert, but by guys that tried and experimented with gear and it worked for them.

You are not going to gain respect by demanding it, criticizing everyone who does not agree with you, and constant stating the obvious in esoteric terms.


And pissing everyone off.

I think you need to drop the tren down a bit.

 

[ProtienFiend]

Nelson not sure if i read your thread correctly but does'nt this graph contradict what your are saying about T levels?

http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/steroidcycles/

No, it doesnt. That graph shows that its affecting test levels on day one. Which is what NM said in his original post.