Para_Shoot said:
I gotta tell you something about Tramadol. I figured out too that if I was out of roxies early, that taking Ultram would indeed calm the withdraws, but..I then got addicted to Tramadol. I would take 30 or so 50mg Ultrams a day. Have you ever had Tramadol withdraws?? They do exist and they SUCK! One thing I couldn't stand was the feeling in both my hands, the joints. I don't know what it was but it sucked. I know they say Ultram is non-narcotic but if you look at the chemical symbols for Ultram you will see that it has a "tail", just like codeine. I'm not sure exactly what that means but I was reading that it is very similar to codeine. Another thing I learned was that it is the opiate receptors in the base of the brain that are like roots of a tree. The more pain meds you take that occupy these receptors, the more new, fresh receptors grow and then you need to satisfiy those ones with more narcotics. One thing I can tell everyone here who is or has been severly addicted to opiates for a long time is that your dopamine neurotransmiters are definitly screwed up. My doc prescribed me Wellbutrin to "repair" my dopamine neuro's. It's kinda like PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - for getting off narcotics.
dude, 30-50 trams a day? WTF! that's crazy man! A normal dose is 2-4 a day! Obviously, you have the addiction-gene, or otherwise you wouldn't be abusing (or did) like that. I know tramadol is addicting to some, and yes I have read to no end about the w/ds. Some say it's worse than opiates, and some say no big deal. One thing that I have learned about anything, whether its opiates or tram, you never quit cold turkey. You ween yourself off slowly and you don't get the w/ds or barely none at all. The easiest way is to ween yourself down on the hydro or other opiate to 1 pill a day, then switch over to 50 to 100 mgs a day of tram and then slowly taper off that over the course of 2 weeks. no w/ds at all! of course, there are more heavy duty meds like Suboxone for big time users, which will alleviate all of the w/ds but then you're hooked on that as well.
I agree, it's best not to take anything at all, but if you have to you have to work in conjunction with your doctor and find what's best for you. Either way, drug abuse is all to common in the Body building world. It's a well known fact that MOST bbrs have that addictive-gene. It's also surprising that a lot of speed freaks (meth-heads) switch from speed to juice, probably for that rush and a lot of bbrs are alcoholics. But, with that being said, there are a lot that aren't and there are a lot who do have that gene but they keep in line with a sober lifestyle outside of juice - because working out requires it. Is it shocking that most of the deaths in pro wrestlers aren't caused by juice but by recreational drugs? A lot are turned on to anti-anxiety meds and pain meds to mask the side effects of steroids. No one wants to say it, but it's the truth with a lot of people.
Come on, you bench 400+ pounds, lengsquat 1000 pounds, and you don't think that's doing something negative to your body? Of course it is! Our bodies aren't made to lift beyond our genetic limitation. And here are stories (above) where people are tearing their bodies down to that of a 90 year old and then they wonder why they're hooked on pain meds or needing joint replacement surgery.
So , when I hear someone say "no one ever died because of steroids.." I say B*ll f*k*n nuts! Because I have read over and over about how so and so pro body builder died of an enlarged heart or valve damage, or aneurism or drug abuse. It's all related and unless you're doing safe dosages, you're playing with fire and it's no different than popping an occasional tram or something else. Once you stick that needle in your arm, you just altered the course on your life. I have and I know it.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not here to preach about how one shouldn't use steroids cuz it's dangerous, I'm just saying that I'm tired of hearing all the "it's so safe.." bs and when someone asks a legit question about pain everyone says how harmful pain meds are and you need to suck it up.
There are those that will abuse meds, whether they take steroids or not. They're are those who are just addicted to meds or alcohol, but let's not be dumb and say one doesn't go with another. I mean come on, how many of you smoke pot here? Most people think smoking pot is Ok and it should be tolerated. How many smoke pot to increase your appetite while on cycle? A lot. I have read it so many times over the course of being a member here. I have read more times than often about how someone needs to go to the doc for high blood pressure medication or anti-anxiety meds , or smoke pot to alleviate the anxiety from the gear, or get on sleeping meds cuz they can't sleep cuz of the gear, etc, etc. But, if someone is abusing pain meds then they should seek help, obviously..but like all things they should be in moderation.
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