Letro and Test - Is it even worth it?

[Cryptlord]

Letro and Test - Is it even worth it?

Ive come to the conclusion I am extremely gyno prone. Last cycle, while running 600mg of Test and 1mg Arimidex EOD I still had some gyno flare up.

My question is, would it be completely pointless to run test with letro? Considering estrogen plays a part in building muscle, would I even gain anything with little to no estrogen?

 

[Cryptlord]

Anyone? How about experiences running letro on cycle?

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

Femera - letrozole - and Test - Is it even worth it?

Ive come to the conclusion I am extremely gynecomastia prone. Last cycle, while running 600mg of Test and 1mg Arimidex EOD I still had some gynecomastia flare up.

My question is, would it be completely pointless to run test with Femera - letrozole - ? Considering estrogen plays a part in building muscle, would I even gain anything with little to no estrogen?

no it's not a waste ..and remember, you DO NOT have to run a whopping 2.5mg of LET.RO/day either ..you can run a fraction of that ..enough to fix the problem

but really I'd suggest you lower the TEST dose (which at that point is exasperating the problem) & just increase the A.DEX (to remedy it) and find your balance ..and then follow through with a solid P.CT

..was that you first cycle? ..what did you do for P.CT & how would you rate your recovery?

 

[todoveritas]

Friend. If you are, in fact, gyno-prone, then your choices are simply:
1. High dose Nolva
2. An aromatase suicide-inhibitor
3. Non-aromatizing compounds

 

[needtogetaas]

Friend. If you are, in fact, gynecomastia-prone, then your choices are simply:
1. High dose Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
2. An aromatase suicide-inhibitor
3. Non-aromatizing compounds

Yup and option 1 is no good if your cycle has deca,tren and shit like that.

 

[nydj66]

I'm very gynecomastia prone myself and I've found that 1mg/day of letrozole with 500mg/wk of test-e is the right ratio to keep me gynecomastia free and maintain my lidibo.

 

[hassinba]

I'm in the middle of my test E cycle @400mg/wk. It's my first cycle and I was so paranoid about gyno I was using 1.25mg/ed of letrozole.....the first 4 weeks I didn't notice shit, people told me to cut back on the doses...that was 3 weeks ago and I've put on 16 pounds since then, so be careful with letro it can completely hinder your gains so if you're going to use it make sure you have VERY low doses, ie .25mg EOD or E3D, or .5mg E3D just don't use too much or you'll be wasting your time

 

[nutshairy]

letro makes me feel like shit,very tired no energy.20mgs of nolva works for me

 

[Cryptlord]

..was that you first cycle? ..what did you do for P.CT & how would you rate your recovery?

This was actually my third cycle. Ran 600mg Test and had a small lump form while on cycle. Went into PCT with my usual nolva / clomid as well as letro at 2.5mg. Lump went away but wasnt a fun experience.

 

[Cryptlord]

I'm very gynecomastia prone myself and I've found that 1g/day of letrozole with 500mg/wk of test-e is the right ratio to keep me gynecomastia free and maintain my lidibo.

Nice bro. I think im looking at 750mg/wk with 0.25mg letro ED. Ive actually read that 0.25mg can reduce E by up to 93% or something. Something to consider.

 

[Iron man]

Femera - letrozole - and Test - Is it even worth it?

Ive come to the conclusion I am extremely gynecomastia prone. Last cycle, while running 600mg of Test and 1mg Arimidex EOD I still had some gynecomastia flare up.

My question is, would it be completely pointless to run test with Femera - letrozole - ? Considering estrogen plays a part in building muscle, would I even gain anything with little to no estrogen?

Are you sure the arimidex is any good? Or dose what it said it was. I am also very prone to gyno amdex helps me. Letrozole is very stong and I would dose it by drops. It killed my sex drive even when I was running 400mg of test a week.

 

[Cryptlord]

Are you sure the arimidex is any good? Or dose what it said it was. I am also very prone to gynecomastia amdex helps me. Letrozole is very stong and I would dose it by drops. It killed my sex drive even when I was running 400mg of test a week.

I was thinking the same thing. It was a research chemical from IBE. Anyways, who knows. Definately not using them again though.

 

[eddymerckx]

mava or samoth had an article here someplace about using armidex or letr.o with nolavadex for max effect--see i can find it

 

[Cryptlord]

mava or samoth had an article here someplace about using armidex or letr.o with nolavadex for max effect--see i can find it

Please do...

 

[10001110101]

nolva is definitely preferred first line therapy for gyno.

only if nolva fails you at 40mg/day should you start on letro.

nolva actually keeps cholesterol in check, less sides, all good except mild liver toxicity which you get from letro anyways so.

 

[thebadguy54]

mava or samoth had an article here someplace about using armidex or letr.o with nolavadex for max effect--see i can find it

Please link me to that thread if you can find it.

 

[enacer420nj]

I was thinking the same thing. It was a research chemical from IBE. Anyways, who knows. Definately not using them again though.

IBE is fucking GARBAGE...I also used their arimidex on a cycle and 1mg ED wasnt enough had to bump to 2...fuck that pos company

 

[nydj66]

IBE is fucking GARBAGE...I also used their arimidex on a cycle and 1mg ED wasnt enough had to bump to 2...fuck that pos company

Does IBE even exist anymore? I thought they changed their name to innovative research.

 

[Cryptlord]

Does IBE even exist anymore? I thought they changed their name to innovative research.

Yea that is what I am talking about. They are the same I thought.

 

[Mavafanculo]

eddy/badguy/crypt-

I did a qik search and it didnt come up, I'll look again when I'm back, but the gist was that Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and AROMASIN are complementry/synergistic in that you're attacking the problem from 2 directions:

a) the selective estrogen receptor modulator Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - will compete for binding at the estrogen receptors in breast tissue, and

b) the aromatase inhibitor aromasin will reduce circulating E levels by blocking the conversion of T to E

the reason aromasin is preferred when using this 2-front approach is that Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - reduced the effectiveness of Arimidex - anastrozole - and Femera - letrozole - by some huge percentage (dont recall the specific number offhand), but does not reduce the effectiveness of aromasin.

the preferred protocol is to start with Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - assuming a cycle that includes aromatizables and no nandrolones.

if you start to get the warning signs of gynecomastia, add the aromasin.

If the symptoms continue, you have to go to the big gun Femera - letrozole - which can almost completely eliminate circulating estrogen. you would taper off the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - /aromasin while inceasing the Femera - letrozole - .

this would be considered an emergency shortterm fix since its not healthy (mentally/physically/sexually) or condusive to gains to go with ultra-low E for any length of time

 

[Mavafanculo]

p.s. the reason you should maybe stay away from Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - when running nandrolones is that there are initial indications in some off-point studies that point to an upregulation of progesterone receptors w/Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - . assuming there is such an animal as progesterone gynecomastia, and you're sensitive, this would not be a good thing.

while there arent solid studies confirming this, there's enuf bro-ology (widespread bodybuilding community buzz) to warrent caution

 

[thebadguy54]

p.s. the reason you should maybe stay away from Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - when running nandrolones is that there are initial indications in some off-point studies that point to an upregulation of progesterone receptors w/Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - . assuming there is such an animal as progesterone gynecomastia, and you're sensitive, this would not be a good thing.

while there arent solid studies confirming this, there's enuf bro-ology (widespread bodybuilding community buzz) to warrent caution

Good stuff bro, thanks.

 

[liftr486]

are you guys using the liquid femera or the tabs?

 

[bluetoolpaul]

I used the liquid letro. worked great but definitely hindered my gains. I'm very gyno prone and did waaay too much to start. i was doing 2.5 mg a day. no good. if you get the itch a high dose knocks it out pretty quick but you want to lower it as soon as possible. I did get some joint pain, and it screwed w/ my libido a little bit. but, much better than having tits again.

 

[biosdisk]

I did 3 cycles about 3 years ago. The first one was too much test and not enough nova/proviron, which gave me gyno. The next 2 cycles were dec and eq and that didn't make my gyno that much worse. My question is i want to take something to try and reverse my gyno now. I've read taking femera letrozole for 6 weeks then coming off with some nova might fix it. What do you guys think of this?

 

[MattJS]

I'm using letro on cycle at the moment, definately a last resort sort of thing. At the 2.5mg dose, it will mess you up, I've been on three weeks now.... got the sore joints but worse thing has been complete lack of energy and motivation to do anything.... gonna switch to aromasin soon. You might like to try a high dose of aromasin from a reputable source along with your test cycle, using letro from the get go will be no fun.