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hey bros, I started letro only for gyno reduction and am having joint pain. heres what ive taken per day so far:
.5mg, 1mg, 1.5mg, 2mg, 2.5mg

will keep doing 2.5mg until gyno subsides, but im having joint pain in shoulders. I dont know if this is from hitting the weights again after long layoff or letro or both. Ive been doing nothing but dumbell presses to limit the stress on the joints. Do I workout through it all or what?
 
I'm currently doing the same bro. letro's a bitch on the joints. I'm sure someone here can provide some scientifically backed advice here? I work through it, as long as it doesn't hurt more than normal.
 
No improvement in gyno but the joint discomfort is only in my shoulders, which had surgery many years ago so i dont really know whats going on with them at this point. and i cant tell if its from the letro or from starting to lift again, damn multiple variables lol
no other joints hurt really.
 
Letro gives me horrible joint pain at 2.5mg/day so i can't take it every day. I wish I had some advice for your problem but unfortunately I don't. I'm guessing its the letro or even a little bit of both. It does help I noticed to warm up REAL GOOD before going too heavy. And ease into it.
 
think i might do isolation/light weight high reps the next chest/shoulder workout since this shoulder pain is pretty bad.
 
it gets pretty intense. I found the longer I use letro, the pain spreads. First dry shoulders, eventually movin' to my knees where I cant squat. How long have u been using letro?
 
left knee is acting up also, i had a slight torn miniscus a few years ago but its all better now so im thinking the letro is aggravating these old spots by drying them up, so they are the first sore joints im feeling so far
 
superdave said:
left knee is acting up also, i had a slight torn miniscus a few years ago but its all better now so im thinking the letro is aggravating these old spots by drying them up, so they are the first sore joints im feeling so far
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I agree with you there... Thats why i think its a little bit of both.
 
ya old injuries always seem to pop back up on letro. I have a bad shoulder and I can't find anything that alleviates the pain. I just started the cure all omega 3,6 fish oils. maybe try some experimenting with different supps to see what works for dry joints. it'll help in the future too if you plan on running other compounds that may put extra stress on the joints.
 
Yeah letro will definitely start to hurt the joints. I did 2.5mg/day for a couple weeks to annihilate some growth. Fucken sex drive was dead, joints hurt - but not all that bad.

gotta dose it like every 4th day after the gyno goes away, its strong stuff and superior to the worthless (for me) arimidex. Probably wont want to drop the anti-e's completely. Some people experience estrogen rebounds.
 
UA_Iron said:
Yeah letro will definitely start to hurt the joints. I did 2.5mg/day for a couple weeks to annihilate some growth. Fucken sex drive was dead, joints hurt - but not all that bad.

gotta dose it like every 4th day after the gyno goes away, its strong stuff and superior to the worthless (for me) arimidex. Probably wont want to drop the anti-e's completely. Some people experience estrogen rebounds.
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did it get rid of the gyno? thats the only reason im doing this and im not on anything else, unless you count cyp @ 100mg/wk for HRT. I do have nolva for rebound. My letro doses have been per day: .5mg, 1.0mg, 1.5mg, 2.0mg, 2.5mg, 2.5mg, and thats where im at as of now so its day 6.
gonna stay at 2.5mg per day for another week to see if this gyno goes away, then taper back down and maybe hit the nolva.
 
superdave said:
did it get rid of the gyno? thats the only reason im doing this and im not on anything else, unless you count cyp @ 100mg/wk for HRT. I do have nolva for rebound. My letro doses have been per day: .5mg, 1.0mg, 1.5mg, 2.0mg, 2.5mg, 2.5mg, and thats where im at as of now so its day 6.
gonna stay at 2.5mg per day for another week to see if this gyno goes away, then taper back down and maybe hit the nolva.
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you sure its legit letro? is your sex drive killed?

tenderness should go away quickly.
 
Ozzie87 said:
superdave what is the gyno like? is it glandular/lump, soft/fatty or a combination of both??
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i would say there are lumpy nodules, and some fatty combo. its really not bad but ive had it for years and its enough to be self conscious, probably from all the weed i used to do. i think its mild enough to treat with letro only and no surgery. heres some pics since im not a good judge of gyno:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/dave2pics002.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/dave2pics005-1.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/dave2pics001.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/dave2pics007.jpg

day 6 letro pics
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/056.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/057.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/058.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/059.jpg
 
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UA_Iron said:
you sure its legit letro? is your sex drive killed?

tenderness should go away quickly.
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sex drive is definetely down

ive had this gyno a few years, is it possible to just have gyno a long time and theres nothing can do about it? i hope not
 
Maybe its just me but i do think it looks better already superdave. They don't look near as flared. I'd keep going and just don't get too crazy with the weights if the joint pain is too bad.
 
i see a def difference from first pics to the second set. letro completely wipes out all estrogen from your body and is notories for all kinds of side effects. i wouldnt stay on that dose for much longer. looks like its done its job rather quickly at this point so id back off on the letro and start up the nolva at 40mg day for a week and then drop to 20mg day. at the most id add in the letro every 3rd-4th day for another 2-3 weeks and stick with the nolva for awhile. eventually get off all of it unless your on cycle and see how it goes. if you keep at the 2.5mg day youll eventually have an injury that prob will need surgery to repair. you cant keep lifting hard on that kind of dose of letro especially off cycle.
 
yea i see a difference also since taking the pics. i guess im just hypercritical on myself so tough to tell but the camera doesnt lie.
i will stay at 2.5mg for a few more days to wipe it out since its not all the way gone, then taper and hit the nolva.
not going to do anything crazy in the gym, just isolation/light weight high rep stuff until im clear of the letro.
 
What caused the gyno in the first place? Dry joints is very very common in letro. Dont forget, AI's get rid of bloating, thats why we use them, so thats why you are feeling "dry". Letro is pretty good at clearing gyno though. I felt less dry when i lowered the dose, but that also means slower results. Your choice. It would also help to throw in nolvadex at 20mg ed. The thing that sucks is, if you go on cycle, the gyno will flare back up again most likely and youll have to run a maintenance dose of letro like 1.25mg eod.

My advice for training is dont do any heavy compound movements for a few weeks until your off the letro. use some machines, there are alot of good machines now that works just as good as free weights.
 
Nomak666 said:
What caused the gyno in the first place? Dry joints is very very common in letro. Dont forget, AI's get rid of bloating, thats why we use them, so thats why you are feeling "dry". Letro is pretty good at clearing gyno though. I felt less dry when i lowered the dose, but that also means slower results. Your choice. It would also help to throw in nolvadex at 20mg ed. The thing that sucks is, if you go on cycle, the gyno will flare back up again most likely and youll have to run a maintenance dose of letro like 1.25mg eod.

My advice for training is dont do any heavy compound movements for a few weeks until your off the letro. use some machines, there are alot of good machines now that works just as good as free weights.
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I would say the thing thjat caused the gyno in the first place was weed use over a number of years bor. But eh letro over a period of abot 10 days has made a good reduction of gyno, im impressed and will keep the letro on hand for the future
 
you try taking a diuretic too? A lot of guys will actually retain water on their nipples as well - making them appear puffy.

Ride it out till its gone buddy.
 
Letro isnt a cure all. And you are taking pretty high dose as well. If after a week you get no improvement STOP taking. If you get gyno use a more effective anti e during your cycle.
 
Nomak666 said:
What caused the gyno in the first place? Dry joints is very very common in letro. Dont forget, AI's get rid of bloating, thats why we use them, so thats why you are feeling "dry". Letro is pretty good at clearing gyno though. I felt less dry when i lowered the dose, but that also means slower results. Your choice. It would also help to throw in nolvadex at 20mg ed. The thing that sucks is, if you go on cycle, the gyno will flare back up again most likely and youll have to run a maintenance dose of letro like 1.25mg eod.

My advice for training is dont do any heavy compound movements for a few weeks until your off the letro. use some machines, there are alot of good machines now that works just as good as free weights.
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You guys really overdo it with this stuff. It can kill your sex drive as well. We would never run it for longer than a week. Bottom line is cut back on what you cycle.

When is it gonna be enough when you are using compound after compound. TOO MUCH SHIT. How many on this board are actually competitive athletes? You are chasing something with no regard to the consequences.

Sorry for the rant but I see this all the time. No knowledge of diet, training or supplements. Guys just follow BROtelligence and inject/swallow whatever. And for what?
 
future said:
You guys really overdo it with this stuff. It can kill your sex drive as well. We would never run it for longer than a week. Bottom line is cut back on what you cycle.

When is it gonna be enough when you are using compound after compound. TOO MUCH SHIT. How many on this board are actually competitive athletes? You are chasing something with no regard to the consequences.

Sorry for the rant but I see this all the time. No knowledge of diet, training or supplements. Guys just follow BROtelligence and inject/swallow whatever. And for what?
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This is very true. This gyno was caused by weed, not gear, and Ive had it for a number of years now. Im not on anything but letro right now since i wanted to get rid of the gyno specifically. I tapered up to 2.5mg, been on that dose for 5 days and will now taper back down over 5 days then hit the nolva for a couple weeks and that will be all. Its done a good job and Im pleased.
 
superdave said:
i would say there are lumpy nodules, and some fatty combo. its really not bad but ive had it for years and its enough to be self conscious, probably from all the weed i used to do. i think its mild enough to treat with letro only and no surgery. heres some pics since im not a good judge of gyno:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/dave2pics002.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/dave2pics005-1.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/dave2pics001.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/dave2pics007.jpg

day 6 letro pics
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/056.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/057.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/058.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/059.jpg
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day 9 letro pics
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/001.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/002.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/superdave1010101993/003.jpg

Well Im pretty much speechless. If these results stay like this or at least are able to be taken care of in this manner when I cycle, I will be extremely happy from now on. I simply cant believe Ive been living with this gyno for years and all it took was a few days of oral letro. Im a believer in letro for sure.
 
The results from the letro trumps all side effects. It's not like they're permanent and they go away as quickly as they come.

Dave - I'm thinking the letro made you shed some water as well too, makes them look nice and tighter. Good work buddy. Definitely legit stuff.
 
UA_Iron said:
The results from the letro trumps all side effects. It's not like they're permanent and they go away as quickly as they come.

Dave - I'm thinking the letro made you shed some water as well too, makes them look nice and tighter. Good work buddy. Definitely legit stuff.
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You better believe results trump all sides. Shoulders are wrecked and no sex drive but who cares. I would have endured tren-like sides to get results like this. And now I have confidence in my UG source, and know what to do if this happens again when i hit the sauce good.
 
I have a similar issue with gyno. If I were to start a letro only cycle, I wonder if I should run it similar to yours with the dosing??
 
slimjim1985 said:
ya old injuries always seem to pop back up on letro.
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tell me about it I tore my quad months ago and thought it had healed completely and day on on letro bam it feels like I just tore it can't bend my knee or anything

anyway I'm on day 6 on an anti gyno run feeling dryer, I still get morning wood but have no drive, I can get hard but it feels like rubber lmao... surprisingly I've had a boost of strength in the gym haven't seen any improvement yet but it's still early I'ma also update with pics
 
i work through it although im used to it after a month my joints hurt its a love hate relationship i use it for gyno mostly as well although it halts it it doesnt reverse it imo
 
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