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ya i was dissapointed but fights are tough josh just had better skills on the ground
in mma you gotta know how to fight on the groung from top or bottom as chris would say piss poor performance ,i think he might find his way into somebodys training camp after the show is over perhaps randys
 
BOOEY said:
What a letdown! Why the hell didn't Chris knock that pussy out? Gave him too much respect
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exactly he should have let them fly i can see feeling out the other guy but when it's only 2 rds you gotta make something happen i think they should have had a third round but you cant take nothing away from josh he did what he had to to win borring but still a win now well have to listen to him talking shit about chris till he gets knocked off the show
 
I knew Leben would be a disappointment. Too much mouth. And did you see his "punches" while he was prepping for the fight? Talk about flailing arms. So when it came down to it in the ring, I knew he wouldn't connect. I don't think Josh is that great of a fighter, but he did fight smart. Dana said it...never let the judges decide. Yeah...the bout was boring as hell but I'm not shedding a tear to see that pussy go.
 
tattoofever said:
ya i was dissapointed but fights are tough josh just had better skills on the ground
in mma you gotta know how to fight on the groung from top or bottom as chris would say piss poor performance ,i think he might find his way into somebodys training camp after the show is over perhaps randys
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I think Chris and Nate Quarry are already on Team Quest with Randy. If so, I can't figure out why his ground game was so weak. I know Josh is a good wrestler, but Chris looked as though he had never practiced defending against takedowns.
 
I felt ripped off on that show neither one of them looked like they have ever fought anyone. Josh came with some weak ass punchs and Chris should have countered. I dont understand how Chris has a record of 18-1 with some submissions he looks like he never fought before.
 
AEKDB said:
This was only the 2nd episode I have watched and the first with a fight. I just hope the rest of the matches are a lot better. That fight was a disgrace. Poor stand up (you could argue that there was no stand up). I can not figure out what style of grappling they were trying to do. At least Chris made several attempts at a submission. I think Randy summed it up when he said that in the judges opion the guy in the gaurd always looks like he is winning.
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yes, it was like the judges pretended since there was not a KO or Submission that it was a wrestling match and awareded points based off of takedowns....
the only other thing I saw was after the ref warned Chris 'for the last time' Chris still landed four or so shots to the back of Josh's head
 
plrpower said:
I felt ripped off on that show neither one of them looked like they have ever fought anyone. Josh came with some weak ass punchs and Chris should have countered. I dont understand how Chris has a record of 18-1 with some submissions he looks like he never fought before.
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Exactly.

As far as the judging goes, I mean you gotta look at it like this: who would you have rather been that round? Going by that, Josh clearly won both rounds
 
Regardless, for all the hype Josh's ground skills were no where to be seen. Anybody can sit in sombody's gaurd for 5 minutes.

As I mentioned this was only the second episode I have seen but the attitude of these guys seems a bit undeserved. Josh and Chris talked a huge game and brought nothing. It is the quite fighters like Randy Coulture that would scare the piss out of me.
 
I saw earlier shows and knew his ground and pound was lacking in the second half
also saw his standup wasn't very good
I also think the Ref let Josh stay there and do nothing for way too long
I'm not sure what the standard is but he was obviously just trying to get to theground to avoid the poundinghe would have taken if it had been straight standup
I don't mind grounding a guy if you are looking for a submission or some ground and pound but Joshgrounded Chris not out of a plan to defeat him but out of fear of getting his ass kicked

apparenlty it was a good plan because it worked but I think it made for a shitty fight
 
I thought it was a decent fight. It showed what a some ground skills could do to deter someone's stand-up game. Sure, it wasn't exciting, but that wasn't the point of the fight. If Josh was scared of Chris' strikes, then he had the skills to take Chris out of his game. Isn't that the point? Josh sure didn't seem to have too much in the way of stand-up striking himself. I could've went and made a sandwich in the time it took for him to draw back his hand and throw that one punch. It just looked awful. And Chris was pissed that Josh held him on the ground and do nothing. What did he expect? Josh won using a legitimate strategy as far as UFC goes. The point of self-defense is to not get hurt first, and Josh nullified Chris' attack. I wanted Chris to win, but i feel that the win was deserved, as much as Chris hated the way it went. Are they both uFC material? If Chris can get whipped by someone like Josh like that, he wouldn't have a chance against an accomplished fighter.
 
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ya i was dissapointed but fights are tough josh just had better skills on the ground
in mma you gotta know how to fight on the groung from top or bottom as chris would say piss poor performance ,i think he might find his way into somebodys training camp after the show is over perhaps randys

I think Chris and Nate Quarry are already on Team Quest with Randy. If so, I can't figure out why his ground game was so weak. I know Josh is a good wrestler, but Chris looked as though he had never practiced defending against takedowns.
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correct, he and nate train @ team quest. Chris is also a trainer there and has wrestling experience. I saw a few attempts at a Kimura submission on Chris's part, which is more that I can say I saw Crotchcheck do.

That fight was a dissapointment on 3 levels for me:

1. Crotchcheck's Lay and Pray - he couldn't do shit except lay on top of him...this isn't wrestling, it is fighting and he will get owned in the future (hopefully by Leben in a grudge match @ the grudge match finale of the show) b/c he lacks ability to finish the fight. Lay and Pray, Lay and Pray....as Chris said it himself, nobody wants to see that kind of fighter.

2. The Ref - He didn't stand the fighters up as often as he should. In Pride, Crotchcheck would have been stood up much quicker than that for not advancing position! What makes this worse is that a.) There was only 2 rounds in the fight, which is an even shorter timeframe than a regular fight, and b.) UFC's rules are flawed so that this Lay and Pray bullshit is easier to get away with.

3. CHRIS DIDN'T HAVE HALF THE AGRESSION I THOUGHT HE'D HAVE!!! I thought he would be like a rabid animal going after his victim, but it appears as if he spent too much time cautiously feeling out Crotchcheck...I am sure the fact that he knew Crotchcheck was looking to take him down every second of the fight didn't help out much either. I am willing to bet that if this fight had more rounds (which it should have had!), Chris would have KO'd him, b/c he WAS stuffing a lot of Josh's takedowns....He just needed more time to land his blow.


If you want to see Chris Leben how he really fights..check out his Highlight video:

http://www.tqfc.net/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=11
 
Yes,Josh's name is Crotchcheck from now on. I try to get something out of every fight I see; not a whole lot to learn from this one except what not to do. The first fight ended dramatically, but it wasn't very satisfying considering Lodune had already defeated himself in his head and Bobby was just stronger even with the weight ordeal.
Still, I'll be watching every week.Besides, it's good to get a glimpse of what Randy and Chuck consider training.
 
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josh did a good job getting and keeping chris on the ground all he needs to do is learn how to throw some punches and elbows when he's down there ,thats how alot of mma fights are won if your strong on the ground why stand up ?chuck liddell is stronger standing then on the ground thats why he stays up as much as he can where randy
likes to get you down and pound you ,but soo far i havent seen anybody that looks like they could contend with the ufc or pride guys ,but i'll watch it every week somtimes more then once just because theres nothing ever on
 
tbuz67 said:
I thought it was a decent fight. It showed what a some ground skills could do to deter someone's stand-up game. Sure, it wasn't exciting, but that wasn't the point of the fight. If Josh was scared of Chris' strikes, then he had the skills to take Chris out of his game. Isn't that the point? Josh sure didn't seem to have too much in the way of stand-up striking himself. I could've went and made a sandwich in the time it took for him to draw back his hand and throw that one punch. It just looked awful. And Chris was pissed that Josh held him on the ground and do nothing. What did he expect? Josh won using a legitimate strategy as far as UFC goes. The point of self-defense is to not get hurt first, and Josh nullified Chris' attack. I wanted Chris to win, but i feel that the win was deserved, as much as Chris hated the way it went. Are they both uFC material? If Chris can get whipped by someone like Josh like that, he wouldn't have a chance against an accomplished fighter.
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UFC fights are about entertainment tho
taking the other fighter out of their game is fine if you have some purpose to it
Josh didn't ground Chris to get a submission, he grounded him so he woudln't get the shit kicked out of himself
this to me looks basically like a boxer holds up in the corner and takes a beating and the judges put him ahead on the scorecard....
 
Ralph_Wiggum said:
correct, he and nate train @ team quest. Chris is also a trainer there and has wrestling experience. I saw a few attempts at a Kimura submission on Chris's part, which is more that I can say I saw Crotchcheck do.

That fight was a dissapointment on 3 levels for me:

1. Crotchcheck's Lay and Pray - he couldn't do shit except lay on top of him...this isn't wrestling, it is fighting and he will get owned in the future (hopefully by Leben in a grudge match @ the grudge match finale of the show) b/c he lacks ability to finish the fight. Lay and Pray, Lay and Pray....as Chris said it himself, nobody wants to see that kind of fighter.

2. The Ref - He didn't stand the fighters up as often as he should. In Pride, Crotchcheck would have been stood up much quicker than that for not advancing position! What makes this worse is that a.) There was only 2 rounds in the fight, which is an even shorter timeframe than a regular fight, and b.) UFC's rules are flawed so that this Lay and Pray bullshit is easier to get away with.

3. CHRIS DIDN'T HAVE HALF THE AGRESSION I THOUGHT HE'D HAVE!!! I thought he would be like a rabid animal going after his victim, but it appears as if he spent too much time cautiously feeling out Crotchcheck...I am sure the fact that he knew Crotchcheck was looking to take him down every second of the fight didn't help out much either. I am willing to bet that if this fight had more rounds (which it should have had!), Chris would have KO'd him, b/c he WAS stuffing a lot of Josh's takedowns....He just needed more time to land his blow.


If you want to see Chris Leben how he really fights..check out his Highlight video:

http://www.tqfc.net/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=11
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lets not forget Leben was missing a knuckle fromhis primary striking hand
I'm not going to say it shouldn't have counted or any bullshit copout like that, but dont' judge Chris based on that fight, at full health it may have gone the same way or it may have been very different
 
Let's hope for a better show tonight. I caught the rerun on Sunday. That fight was even more pathetic the second time.

After seeing the fight last week, watching Chris' highlight film on his website, and watching the fight again, the only logical conclusion is that he fought some really bad fighters and/or had a very good camera man/editor.
 
I could have went either way with that fight
but if you thought Josh beat Chris, then you pretty much had to think Stephan beat Bobby
Bobby was ahead on standup (like Chris was ahead of Josh on standup) and did somethings on the ground (note that Chris went for a submission and Josh did not) but Stephan I beleive was ahead on takedowns

just wanted to say I think it was cool of Bobby to throw Stephan some respect in the back
saying he tried everything he could to put him down but he's a tough guy
and it looks to me like Lebben is coming back

also if green team was totally out of middleweights, why did they have blue team send a lightheavyweight over?
 
I thought Bonnar won the fight tonight...he looked great. I wouldn't have been upset if they made it go a 3rd though, b/c it WAS close, but Southworthless only threw counter punches while Stephan was clearly the aggressor.

Bonnar seemed to be a very good striker w/ his jabs and spin kicks. When I hear him speak it makes it hard to believe that he would be as much of an aggressive mofo as he was in the ring...

Bobby also came off as a hypocrite by bitching after his fight after he preached to the camera how Leben should have taken the loss w/ honor. He bitched more than Leben and Leben had more of a reason to bitch IMO.

Overall, it was a great show tonight b/c of the great fight and to see some Karma in action.
 
Yeah Bobby was a little bitch...take the lumps man. It was a closer fight than I thought it was gonna be. That Stephan was tougher than he looked. Too bad there wasn't more blood.
 
Very close, but I'd also give it to Stephan. He was the agressor the entire time. Bobby was reacting to Stephan, not creating anything. Stephan tooks some tough shots twards the end, but Bobby took two hard punches to the face at the end of Round 1. Bobby also got takendown more, and Stephan was able to reverse a few of Bobby's takedowns. So I'd give it to Stephan. Great fight, can't wait for next week. LEBEN COMEBACK!?
 
omg i love ultimate fighter.

I wished Chris would have kicked josh's ass. But he didnt and i was upset but all the trash talking chris did i was disapointed in him. But he cried at the end wich made me even more pissed. but i think they are bringing him back to the show! It was a pussy fight josh was not trying to advance on the ground but hey a win is a win i guess but i jus hope josh stands up with someone and gets his face PUNCHED IN because hes too cocky for some one who won a fight like that.

But Stephen and Bobby i liked that fight both are not wrestlers and bobby did hit stephen way harder but stephen was on the attack more!

Ahh hell now since my fav chris is gone im going for the guy with the stupid hair cut half shaved and the top not lol. Lets see what he can do.
 
stephan proved himself to be a man by fighting bobby ,he could of picked an easyier
fight .it took balls to fight a guy that just knocked somebody out ,the fight was close
i think a third round was in order they should be 3 rd fights anyways it takes a little time to feel out the other guy sometimes .regardless this show is by far one of the best out imo i wish it was 2hrs long and on twice a week
i hope they do it again after this one is over
 
Tatoo Fever :

Youre right , they should be 3 Rounders at all times . I mean , its THREE ROUNDS , its not going to kill them .

But there could be a LOT of Improvement to the show . I mean , there shouldnt be all these guys with ecords in there - Id like to see ppl with NO MMA Records at ALL , much less guys already coming in to this that have FOUGHT ONE ANOTHER ? Please . Not knocking on the guys themselves , but they are already on their way to the UFC/Pride/Whatever if they just keep at it .


They should have a show where like , People with no Fight Training , Sports Athletes with interest , Forms Champions , TMA guys , whatever learn to Convert to the MMA Ruleset . That would be a LOT cooler , because it takes ppl out of their Element , and it would show some of them Cracking under Pressure and some of them rising to the Occasion .

And the Challenges could be a little more MMA-Related , you know ? I mean , the one team lost one because that one black kid had OBVIOUSLY never Sawed anythign in his lifetime . What the HELL does that have to do with MMA ? Trust me , there arent a WHOLE lot of Carpentry classes in the ghetto .
 
I thought Bobby won the fight, since he hurt Stephan more that once, cut him, and dazed him pretty good. Stephan didn't do anything effective to Bobby. So Stephan moved forward and was the aggressor, big deal. Everytime he went in, he got clocked. Bobby fought a with a defensive strategy and Stephan couldn't get in any good punches because of it. This is the way Lennex Lewis fought to win and hold onto the Heavyweight title, defensive fighting. But Stephan was declared the winner and got Bobby off the show. Which was good, because he needed to be sent home. I just wish it was because of a legitimate ko or something.
And for everyone still griping about Josh's win over Chris, I suggest you watch all of the UFCs to see that this strategy is a common way for a fighter to gain a victory. So Chris didn't get a chance to ko Josh, thats a common thing in the UFC to have a striker have his strikes rendered useless because a grappler took him to the ground.
 
Damn, I missed it again!

So Bobby is gone? Sounds like this fight was better than last weeks. I guess I'll have to wait till next week saturday to catch up.
 
it was a pretty good fight
they seemed to have similar preferences so they fought each step of the way
they both started with boxing I believe and then did some takedown work some ground pound on each other then back to standup boxing style
good overall match
 
So what do you guys make of this "mysterious" guy coming back? Is it Leben? Maybe Nate is unable to go on with the show, so they had to bring a middleweight back?
 
Stephan was far better than i expected. they hardly ever show him so I figured it was gona be another Southworth/lodan fight. I was impressed with stephans aggresiveness. Now that 36 year old southworth might realize if he has not made it as a fighter by now he needs to get to washing dishes for money because hes not a pro fighter. ahahah i just didnt like him .
 
Although I hate Bobby and his punk-ass attitude, I think he won the fight.
The groundfighting, as I saw it, was pretty even.
In the stand-up, Stephan was the aggressor, but advancing on your opponent and getting counterpunched(and stunned a couple of times), doesn't mean as much as aggression with effective punching. Southworthless connected more.
Points to Stephan though for fighting him in the first place, when he could have taken an easier opponent(possibly).
I hope Leben is the one coming back;I'd like to see the rematch
when his hand is intact.
However, I don't know what reason they would use to legitimately let him return(if it is him).Yes, the ref sucked for allowing inactivity on the ground for too long, but that's always fallen in the category of "too bad" in every other competition.
 
Snypr said:
Although I hate Bobby and his punk-ass attitude, I think he won the fight.
The groundfighting, as I saw it, was pretty even.
In the stand-up, Stephan was the aggressor, but advancing on your opponent and getting counterpunched(and stunned a couple of times), doesn't mean as much as aggression with effective punching. Southworthless connected more.
Points to Stephan though for fighting him in the first place, when he could have taken an easier opponent(possibly).
I hope Leben is the one coming back;I'd like to see the rematch
when his hand is intact.
However, I don't know what reason they would use to legitimately let him return(if it is him).Yes, the ref sucked for allowing inactivity on the ground for too long, but that's always fallen in the category of "too bad" in every other competition.
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The only way they could bring him back is if Nate had to leave the show because of his ankle. Then they would need to bring back a middleweight to even the teams up, and why not bring the last middleweight to be eliminated?
 
BOOEY said:
The only way they could bring him back is if Nate had to leave the show because of his ankle. Then they would need to bring back a middleweight to even the teams up, and why not bring the last middleweight to be eliminated?
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even if I didn't like Chris, I'd rather see him come back then Chuck have to send another middleweight over to Randy's team
tho I'd like to see Diego vs Josh
 
Diego may be the smartest man to ever live. ahhahahahh I just love the way he speaks, so spaced out. Nate looks like he can kick some ass. Has anyone ever see a fight of his? It would be cool if someone found one and posted it.
 
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The only way they could bring him back is if Nate had to leave the show because of his ankle. Then they would need to bring back a middleweight to even the teams up, and why not bring the last middleweight to be eliminated?
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That makes sense.
 
what I find pathetic is bobby has already fought in ufc against belfort,just imagine the beating he must taken if he fought anything like he has on this show against the phenom
 
what I find pathetic is bobby has already fought in ufc against belfort,just imagine the beating he must taken if he fought anything like he has on this show against the phenom
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he did fight belfort before, but in Pride (According to Sherdog):

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he got choked out ;) ;) .
 
Ralph_Wiggum said:
he did fight belfort before, but in Pride (According to Sherdog):

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he got choked out ;) ;) .
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Well that sucks. I thought this show was to find a somewhat unknown and give him a chance in the UFC. Why would you pick somebody who has already competed in Pride against a UFC fighter and lost?
 
AEKDB said:
Well that sucks. I thought this show was to find a somewhat unknown and give him a chance in the UFC. Why would you pick somebody who has already competed in Pride against a UFC fighter and lost?
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if he improved that'd be ok I think
and it's not like loosing to Belfort makes you a nobody (in my estimation at least)
and what's odd is apparently Bobby is oneof the better fighters
 
Guys I missed the show... What happened?
 
Guys I missed the show... What happened?
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-Nate's ankle injury eliminated from him the competition, but they are keeping him on as a trainer. Randy was also very visibly saddened by the loss.
-Sam skipped a workout w/ Team Liddel b/c he went jogging w/ Couture and his LHW's and missappropriated his time. Pissed team Liddel off, and they went a little harder on him during sparring. Sam visibly likes the guys on team Couture more according to the show's editors.
-Leben is back. Nate got to pick a fighter to come back and chose the obvious. Leben isn't talking all the smack though. He was more humble and even shook Koscheck's hand.
-Team Couture won the competition and they wanted Josh Rafferty to fight. Josh Rafferty chose to fight Diego.
-Diego had various WIERD pre-fight rituals, including lube/saran wrap around the body/yoga/yoga in a thunderstorm to drain energy from the sky/facial excersises....

-The fight...well.. I will be a nice guy and upload to my site so you can see it. I'm not going to keep the vid up for more than 24 hours though b/c of bandwidth reasons. Please DO NOT link the video in any other place...I am putting it in a webpage for logging purposes (to make sure the hits to the page are coming from the right place).

here is the video
 
YES MY MAN CHRIS IS BACK!

But what hell was was he thinking fighting diego, he even said he though kroshek was better then him. What the hell was he thinking. I wouldnt fight diego if i was him " i wanna see what im made of" was his escuse. Hes lucky everyone didnt see what is inside his head if deigo would of ripped it off lol.
 
Diego will win the competition. I don't think any of the other middleweights can beat him, not even Leben. I want to see Forrest (think that's his name - the crazy redneck heavyweight) fight next.
 
josh was crazy to fight diego know how good he is on the ground ,he was being a bitch trying to get out of fighting alltogether he actully wanted chris to fight instead of him i think he gave up once he got on the ground it looked like he gave deiago
his back just to let him finish it .i was impressed with deiago he punched the shit out of josh when he could have easily submitted him it showed he can do more then grapple on the ground
 
I also think deigo will win the middle weights. If leben cant fight josh on the ground with his lack of submissions diego will own him. Unless Josh R. just realy blows and diego is not that good. Time will tell .
 
That's diego's second win!!! It was nice to see some punching!!!!! I still stand by him as my pick for the smaller guys.
 
I think it was a combo of Diego being skilled and Josh R. fighting horribly. He psyched himself out of the match when he went apologizing to everyone...what the fuck? It's a competition, not a fraternity. I love his excuse, "I don't match up well with any of them" Then how the fuck are you going to win the contract!?!?
 
what is wrestling exp going to do when you have a guy who is mounted on you, hurling punches in every direction?

I am guessing Leben can do better vs diego than if he would fight Koscheck simply b/c I think Diego wouldn't do any Lay n Pray and that would give Leben more chances to fight back/reverse/submit if it did goto the ground w/ Diego on the top position. It seemed like Koscheck was just trying to keep top position instead of actually doing anything to Leben...when diego goes on top in his fights, he actually does stuff.
 
Diego is an animal. Josh was not only outmatched, but his frame of mind sucked. I can relate to the crazy stuff Diego does, it puts(and keeps) him in his zone. He seems to most represent a pro fighter. Some of these guys don't realize what kind of opportunity they have here.
Laughed my ass of when Dana pulled Bobby's card and didn't take his disrespect. I think he got cheated but A: He didn't handle it like a pro, and B:He DID leave it in the judges hands.
Glad Leben is back, but I don't think it was fair to let Nate decide who came back.
Anyway, keep an eye on Josh K's face. He's scared to death.
 
I thought it was inproper timing and lack of precaution, basically poor judgement. There's one thing I must say again. I've talked w/ him in the gym a few times @ my old College when he went there and he didn't seem like the jerk that the editors may be trying to potray him as.
 
Yeah, after his first fight, I predicted Diego to win middleweights. I think I caught a glimpse of Forrest fighting in the previews for next week, also there was a clip of him saying something like, the only thing that would make him happy right now was to fight. Tough to say who is favored to win the light-heavyweights, I think I would pick Mike Swick.
 
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What do you guys think about Sam missing practice in favor of working out with Team Randy?
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honestly I think that hes the only guy on his team not being a dick . I think hes too mellow for them , and hes a LIL bit different , so theyre attacking him .

Its pretty Arrogant to think that its your place to "Punish" anyone for ANYTHING that you werent even INVOLVED with ! The ONLY ppl whose time he wasted were his Coaches and his Sparring Partners that day . What the HELL did the other two have to beef about ? They were looking for an Excuse like a couple of baby bullies . they werent even THERE and they really could have gone the rest of their lives without even knowing about it none the worse for wear . The only ppl that dealt with it like adults were Sam and Chuck .


Frankly its the job OF THE TEAM to make the individuals ON the team FEEL the team camraderie . If theyre going to treat the guy the way they do they should expect him not to give a crap .
 
A good friend of mine went to high school with Forrest in Augusta GA. He said he really doesn't remember Forrest being into fighting at all.
 
Djimbe said:
honestly I think that hes the only guy on his team not being a dick . I think hes too mellow for them , and hes a LIL bit different , so theyre attacking him .

Its pretty Arrogant to think that its your place to "Punish" anyone for ANYTHING that you werent even INVOLVED with ! The ONLY ppl whose time he wasted were his Coaches and his Sparring Partners that day . What the HELL did the other two have to beef about ? They were looking for an Excuse like a couple of baby bullies . they werent even THERE and they really could have gone the rest of their lives without even knowing about it none the worse for wear . The only ppl that dealt with it like adults were Sam and Chuck .


Frankly its the job OF THE TEAM to make the individuals ON the team FEEL the team camraderie . If theyre going to treat the guy the way they do they should expect him not to give a crap .
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well they wre upset because they felt he threw that one challenge
but still they shouldn't be all bully on him
however I dont' think Forrest is really being an ass in general tho team Liddel is just like on that high from winning so much
and they feel Bobby won his fight (I really think it was close enough to be a draw)
 
I think you have to put yourself in their shoes. The show sets up so its team versus team, and nothing else (at least not until the end). If someone on your team is basically shutting himself out from the rest and practicing with the other team, it's disrespectful. On the other hand, if I were Sam I would stick up for myself and be assertive.
 
the way i look at it is sam has gotten a shitty rep for nothing and i think josh and bobby had alot to do with it,if it wasnt for those two i bet the other guys wouldnt have a problem with him he seems like a decent guy just because he gets along with the other team doesnt make him a asshole in fact it makes him a the type of person the represents the sport well mma has come along way and is finnally starting to get the respect is deserves the last thing it needs is assholes making it look bad
 
tattoofever said:
the way i look at it is sam has gotten a shitty rep for nothing and i think josh and bobby had alot to do with it,if it wasnt for those two i bet the other guys wouldnt have a problem with him he seems like a decent guy just because he gets along with the other team doesnt make him a asshole in fact it makes him a the type of person the represents the sport well mma has come along way and is finnally starting to get the respect is deserves the last thing it needs is assholes making it look bad
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Good point
 
With a "reality" show, the producers can spin a scene or a situation any way they want, airing comments from some people and failing to show comments by another person that might best explain their side.
I never really know for sure how any of the guys really act, except maybe the ones who were given so much camera time that their actions spoke for them.
I do know Sam took some punishment at practice though. One of the guys knocked the crap out of him but I couldn't tell who it was and I didn't tape this one.
 
i liked that fight i think alex tapped a little quick but it's easier to sit here and watch then to be there i guess ,i dont think sam stole anything i think he just took some of the extra stuff the was laying around ,i dont see him going in peoples rooms and stealing stuff he doesnt seem like the type i think some people lost their stuff by just leaving it at challenges or in the back yard or werever were sam grabed some extras
and made sure he didnt leave anything ,and he just took the heat because he saved all his ,i hope if forrest cant fight they bring back bobby i think he's a dick but he can still fight and if chris can come back bobby should too
 
tattoofever said:
i liked that fight i think alex tapped a little quick but it's easier to sit here and watch then to be there i guess ,i dont think sam stole anything i think he just took some of the extra stuff the was laying around ,i dont see him going in peoples rooms and stealing stuff he doesnt seem like the type i think some people lost their stuff by just leaving it at challenges or in the back yard or werever were sam grabed some extras
and made sure he didnt leave anything ,and he just took the heat because he saved all his ,i hope if forrest cant fight they bring back bobby i think he's a dick but he can still fight and if chris can come back bobby should too
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That's a big coincedence though. 3 people lose their stuff, and Sam just happens to have the lost items in his suitcase. He definitely got busted cold, none of the trainers would back up his story, because plain and simple - he was lying!

Anyway, I think if Alex had better ground skills, he would have won. He obviously didn't know what to do once on the ground. If he continues to practice, he will become a great fighter.
 
As far as Alex keeping the fight on their feet.

It is my opinion that Alex did a shitty job of using the cage to his advantage, the rules are that you can't hold on to the cage .
Guys however can grab on to it for a couple of seconds to pull themselves up before the ref comes and slaps their hands off.
There was a point right after the take down where you can clearly see an opening for Alex to grab the fence and help get back on his feet.
Even while Forest was working to get the mount, he could have (at least try) to push off the cage with his legs to try and sweep or escape... I might have to go back and look at the fight again but I did not see one attempt bay Alex to use that fence to his advantage. That’s is a HUGE deal when fighting in the UFC, you have to learn how to work the cage.
 
OK if Forrest cant continue because of the cut he got, do you think he will get to pick a heavyweight to take his place? And if so who do you think he will pick?
 
Laughed my ass of at the whole Sam incident. I don't even like Sam, but it doesn't look like he went around stealing guys things out of their suitcases and closets. It seemed like he probably picked up stuff at the gym that people left lying around, which probably would have ended up in a "lost and found" box or something and never would have been thought of again.
The fight was good. Obviously because Alex was tougher than expected. I'm betting Forrest won't be able to pick someone to come back if he can't continue. If he could it would probably be Bobby.
 
If they let Nate do it, they have to let Forrest also. Of course he'll pick Bobby if given the choice.

Btw, during the intro, I think I made out Leben and Koscheck fighting with different clothes on than their first fight. I guess they fight again sometime soon
 
BOOEY said:
If they let Nate do it, they have to let Forrest also.
Maybe not. There seems to be something stinky about the overall Team Quest dynamic as it relates to this show. As soon as I can put my finger on it, I'll post about it(have to review my tapes of the show). I like Randy alot, but I just can't believe the term "conflict of interest" hasn't come up.
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I think Alex displayed some awesome POWER and agression. He surpised the hell out of me for sure. IMO, if he would have had more experience on the ground, he would have won, b/c as BRR pointed out, his grappling on the ground/near the cage seemed weak. I was just thinking to myself when he was initially taken down "OH MAN JUST GET UP ITS WIDE OPEN!!" b/c I saw both Bob and Stefan get up from that exact position during their fight.


Did you hear the sounds that some of Alex's punches made on contact, and did you see how he threw Forrest against the cage? He's got some power.
 
Alex certainly impressed. Forrest, too. I'm still surprised that big punch didn't take the fight out of him.
 
AAhhhh I think I found out where he gets his power from. THis is from the Ultimate Fighter website:

Alex S.
Born in Argentina, Alex works and trains in Las Vegas. The 28 year-old works in developing engineering industrial products and is a graduate of Montana St. University where he played football. Ranked #32 in the US in power-lifting, he also competes in jiu jitsu and boxing. A huge fan of NBA legend, Michael Jordan, Alex spends his spare time catching rattlesnakes in the desert.
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Now, I don't know how good of a rank #32 is, but at least we know he augments his fighting workouts w/ some good ol' squats/deads/cleans/presses. Props to him. I also wonder what drives him to want to fuck w/ rattlesnakes?!
 
I remember seeing something in the bios about somebody being a ranked powerlifter, but I didn't remember who. Damn, he hits hard. Throwing effective punches requires the right body mechanics, but raw strength definitely don't hurt.
 
tattoofever said:
i liked that fight i think alex tapped a little quick but it's easier to sit here and watch then to be there i guess ,i dont think sam stole anything i think he just took some of the extra stuff the was laying around ,i dont see him going in peoples rooms and stealing stuff he doesnt seem like the type i think some people lost their stuff by just leaving it at challenges or in the back yard or werever were sam grabed some extras
and made sure he didnt leave anything ,and he just took the heat because he saved all his ,i hope if forrest cant fight they bring back bobby i think he's a dick but he can still fight and if chris can come back bobby should too
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I could understand the temptation to bring back a friend
but I'd also want to consider bringing back the guy who effectivly put me out of the competition even if I had defeated him
that's just me
 
Kane Fan said:
I could understand the temptation to bring back a friend
but I'd also want to consider bringing back the guy who effectivly put me out of the competition even if I had defeated him
that's just me
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Yeah I had the same thought today. Bring back the guy that forced him out
 
Kane Fan said:
I could understand the temptation to bring back a friend
but I'd also want to consider bringing back the guy who effectivly put me out of the competition even if I had defeated him
that's just me
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good point
 
well, that's how we fighters thing
but Forrest may have become good friends with Bobby
I just know, I think I would do that as a man I dunno if Forest things the same way and I don't know that I'll respect him any less if it turns out he dosn't
it's just, what I think I would do
then again I can also see him bringinb ack Bobby because Bobby's groundwork was a lot better then Alex's but I'd like to see Alex and Bobby go at it in straight standup
 
Though Bobby in his loss came closer to winning than Alex did in his loss, and Forrest and Bobby are friends somewhat, I think the more important factor would be that the reason Forrest wouldn't be able to compete is directly because of Alex.
If Alex came back it would be "reality" because the last time I can remember something like this happening in the UFC was Royce Gracie vs Kimo, and Kimo continued in competition when Gracie was hurt; not one of the other fighters Royce liked better.
But they have set a precedent letting Nate choose Chris. I think these decisions should be made by Randy and Chuck, Dana, or at least one of the other coaches; or maybe one of the owners, or maybe the shows producers. Anybody but the "contestants". It doesn't have to follow other reality shows in every way.
 
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Bobby might be the guy more likely to win then Alex anyway
Bobby's standup is his strength but his ground work is much better then Alex's
so there is that as well
just myself I'd probubly bring back the guy that put me out of the comp, unless that ment I had to give up my 5k...
 
WOW....



Good show tonight.
 
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