Length vs. dosage

[blut wump]

I think everyone wonders where the bubbles come from.

I prefer Clomid at a flat 50mg ED for PCT. I'm no medic but there have been heated debates on here and the end consensus was that Nolva is good for priming the HPTA but Clomid is better for stimulating it to restore production.

If I've not used a nandrolone on a cycle, then I'll run Nolva with my HCG prior to commencing PCT with clomid. If I've used a nandrolone then I'll not touch Nolva, although many do and have no problems. Nolva upregulates the progesterone receptor which can increase the likelyhood of gyno if you are vulnerable via that route.

I'd also recommend a low-dose of a suicidal AI during PCT to inhibit feedback via oestrogen. AIFM and aromasin are fine choices.

I'm sure the current sponsors will pipe up with their own wares but I've not tried the currently-touted ones to be able to recommend them.

During the cycle, high oestrogen levels shouldn't be an issue given that you're only using Eq. Low oestrogen might be an issue, though, since your own test production will be shut down and you'll not be supplementing by adding test. If your libido disappears then consider it likely that you're running low on oestrogen. Aching joints is another common symptom. In general, prefer an AI to using Nolva during the cycle unless you are actually being hit by gyno. Many suggest that a stronger AI such as Letro is more efficacious even in that instance than using Nolva. I don't have a lot of use for Nolva and it can further dampen libido.

I've also seen posts concerning DHB and its effect on hair-loss for some who are susceptible. If your hair starts to fall out then blame the Eq.

 

[Big_Joe]

I read on another forum that in Norway the police can show up in any gym or sporting event and do testing of who ever they want. Is this true? If so how do you plan on getting away with this??

Now this is all internet hearsay so it might just be bs or it might not.

 

[Thoxi]

The anti doping agencies can do tests of any gym or competition, but for gyms they have to hang up a notice saying in what time interval they'll do the testing. (ie. 5th of may to 9th of may.)
Obviously that makes it easy for the juicers to simply stay clear in that period. Steroids are legal to use in Norway, just illegal to sell or import. Kind of like cuban cigars, if I've understood that right.

Thanks for your input on Nolva, but to the "muscle bubbles" ... Safe to inject with them, or should I do something when the aspiration goes "well"?

 

[blut wump]

You could give a little dance, maybe.

Bubbles are normal, nay, desirable. I don't know whether it is actually air out of the muscle or simply vacuolation in the gear due to a pressure drop but the bubbles are what you want to be seeing. The alternative is blood and that would require you to withdraw and inject into a fresh spot.

 

[Thoxi]

10-4, blut.

Did a deadlift of 340 today, new personal record for me by about 10lbs. I know it has nothing to do with the eq, it was probably just the good ol' placebo and the fact I've not done any 1rms for the past few weeks. Might also just be that I've doubled my protein intake, although I think 3-4 days is too short a while even for that.

I'm hoping libido will not be a problem, but if like you say, it does indeed have that effect then the two other atheletes that are about... well a few months in their EQ / winny cycles have not experienced it... They both reported constant erections, something that might become a neusance if I do some training in the pool in public hours...

If libido does indeed become a problem, is test my only option short of cutting the eq? If so, what dosages (preferably something with half times in the EQ range so I can combine the shots) will I have to take... I'm worried by some of the sides testosterone potentially has.. I'm guessing for the half times to match, Testosterone cypionat is the way to go... But then again, 13 day half life might also mean it takes longer to help the libido..?

Alot of questions still... It feels fun to actually be really interested in learing something, although I'm not sure my teacher would be overly impressed dispite my eagerness!

 

[blut wump]

150-200 mg per week of Test E or C should be plenty, less if you use a short ester. Dbol is also an option; really just something to get your E2 levels back up. As you say, you might be fine or more than fine on just the Eq.

I know that there's a table floating around the 'Net stating half lives at 1.5 days per carbon atom. It's completely wrong. Eq has a half-life of around 7 days. Test Enan has a half-life of 4.5 days. Enan or Cyp would be fine. At that dose, you could shoot once per week.

Congrats on the PR.

 

[Thoxi]

That's good, useful information to have there. Thanks!

I will be running 25mg winny ed for 4 weeks because basically that is what I was recommended... However whenever I google for winny or read people's cycles on here you guys run at least twice the doses... Am I wasting my time on 25mg ed for 4 weeks?

I don't really want to talk up my dealer again askin for more, but if I'm really wasting my time with 25mgs, then I might concider it... Also keep in mind this will be my first real cycle, had a short oral only earlier, and I'm under 200lbs so I might not need monster doses!

 

[Thoxi]

Hehe, revised something again. I'll now be taking the winnies in the front, starting today. 25mg ed.

In my quest for the best possible gains, I forgot that it would involve 14+3 weeks of steroids, instead of now doing 14 weeks + the leftovers from the long lasting ester...

Now, before I start popping the winnys, does anyone else see the logic in this? theoretically there'll still be steroids in my blood stream for those last 3 weeks, but I'm guessing this is alot easier on the body, only adding NEW steroids for 14 weeks as opposed to 17 weeks. (Although 14w is pretty long in itself!)

 

[blut wump]

Eq has a relatively long half-life and you are very much still 'on' during that clearance time. As such, your own production is still suppressed and you are not producing your own endogenous aas.

A typical clearance time is three and a half half-lives, more if taking very high doses. Allow even more time for nandrolones, I usually consider 5 to 6.

At a 7-day half-life, it'll take 3 to 4 weeks for the Eq to clear enough for your own systems to start to come back online. A 14-week Eq cycle is a 17-18 week cycle. Taking an oral or short-estered injectible is a way to maintain androgen levels during this period, although not necessary.

 

[Thoxi]

Ah, so running the winnys in the back will not effect my recovery much then, I see.

Would you still recommend I run the 14 weeks of 420? I've read that everything over 12 weeks is going to be a long recovery anyway, and if Eq "kicks in" after 6-7 weeks and "really gets going" at around 10-12 weeks, might it be worth it?

I've read a few articles on cycle lengths and testosterone supression, it seems 6-8 weeks is the barrier, after that you're very much shut down. (I'm guessing this depends on the drug used, too.)

With this in mind, is the EQ really worth it as a standalone? I mean, if I am going to have severely reduced natural production for a long time afterwards, and maybe even see some lowered production long term, are there any safer alternatives to eq for 12-14 weeks? Or is EQ weak enough to where a 14 weeker of it still isn't all that bad, all things concidered?

I'd love to hear some feedback from anyone who did a long cycle like this... Did your natural production bounce back, or was it very lowered permanently afterwards?

The testosterone levels you are stuck with after a cycle depends on drug and the cycle length if I'm understanding this right. Just... How much do the two affect it relatively to eachother? I'm sure there have to be studies, or experiments regarding this... We all love our testies, don't we?

So far the cycle then stands on the 1-14 eq, 14-17 winny and then about a month of PCT. But if anyone has a better suggestion, I'm open to them!