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Even with 5 years of lifting weights? I mean, I appreciate that I am a little on the young side, but I've lifted weights and ran different training programmes since the age of 16. Also, for the past three-four I've not had a single week off the weights, not counting light deloading weeks. I've never been injured, and I've seen some very good results if I'm honest. However, the last year I've reached a point where my strength is stagnating and my lean mass hasn't changed much the last years despite growing strength. Like I mentioned, this is due to my swimming.
So, I might be young, yes. But my training experience with weights isn't all that bad in my own opinion. I've had feedback from school and private coaches as well as to my lifting form and programmes...
In the end, this is not something I've jumped into, although it might seem that way as I had a last minute doubt as to the duration of my cycle... The other swimmers on my team (4 out of 8 anyway) have ran cycles, mostly deca, but eq has less side effects and always seemed the best choise for me personally.
I probably should wait two years more of stagnating progress in the weight room to see the max results out of this, but considering I'm really set on doing it now, which option would you choose?
And as far as health goes, I will be getting bloodwork done before, mid, and after cycle. We also have our own blood pressure gauger at the gym (kind of a tell-tell about the competiveness, eh?) so I will be checking my bp a few times a week even.
So, I might be young, yes. But my training experience with weights isn't all that bad in my own opinion. I've had feedback from school and private coaches as well as to my lifting form and programmes...
In the end, this is not something I've jumped into, although it might seem that way as I had a last minute doubt as to the duration of my cycle... The other swimmers on my team (4 out of 8 anyway) have ran cycles, mostly deca, but eq has less side effects and always seemed the best choise for me personally.
I probably should wait two years more of stagnating progress in the weight room to see the max results out of this, but considering I'm really set on doing it now, which option would you choose?
And as far as health goes, I will be getting bloodwork done before, mid, and after cycle. We also have our own blood pressure gauger at the gym (kind of a tell-tell about the competiveness, eh?) so I will be checking my bp a few times a week even.
blut wump
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You're on the cusp age-wise, meaning that it's your call. I've no quibble with that.
Your height/weight, though, indicates that you're doing something very wrong and jumping on the sauce isn't going to fix that.
I know you've already decided whether you're going to run the gear and only posted to help decide the lesser of two evils but it'd be lax of us to fail to point out that you still have a lot of growing to work out how to do. Either that or your body really is still maturing and you still have a natural growth spurt about to happen.
You're very light for someone who has been training for five years through his late teens, the last two presumably very seriously. Maybe the Eq will give you the appetite boost to help you to eat more or give you the endurance to boost something in your training. Either way, you should determine why you're failing to grow natty at a time when it should be hard not to.
Your height/weight, though, indicates that you're doing something very wrong and jumping on the sauce isn't going to fix that.
I know you've already decided whether you're going to run the gear and only posted to help decide the lesser of two evils but it'd be lax of us to fail to point out that you still have a lot of growing to work out how to do. Either that or your body really is still maturing and you still have a natural growth spurt about to happen.
You're very light for someone who has been training for five years through his late teens, the last two presumably very seriously. Maybe the Eq will give you the appetite boost to help you to eat more or give you the endurance to boost something in your training. Either way, you should determine why you're failing to grow natty at a time when it should be hard not to.
Thanks for your feedback, blut wump. As I am norwegian, I am not quite sure I got the kgs to pounds completely right... I don't concider myself a lightweight, although I'm certainly not heavy either... I'm currently 85 kgs, and I think the kg to pound is a 1:2 ratio, correct?
I'm sure you are all much more muscular than me, but as I have mentioned, my 6-8 swimming workouts a week limits the lean mass I can actually put on. I'm usually on at least 3000 calories a day, but in a loading period with heavy training I can be on up to 4500 calories a day, albeit alot of this is carbs as swimming is an endurance sport. Usually though I am at about 2g protein per kg bodyweight.
So, with that out of the way... I've started my injections... 500mg the first one, and if I get some more feedback on weather to do 14 weeks of 420, i'll switch to that and concider this one a frontload.
I'm sure you are all much more muscular than me, but as I have mentioned, my 6-8 swimming workouts a week limits the lean mass I can actually put on. I'm usually on at least 3000 calories a day, but in a loading period with heavy training I can be on up to 4500 calories a day, albeit alot of this is carbs as swimming is an endurance sport. Usually though I am at about 2g protein per kg bodyweight.
So, with that out of the way... I've started my injections... 500mg the first one, and if I get some more feedback on weather to do 14 weeks of 420, i'll switch to that and concider this one a frontload.
Muscleaddict
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14 weeks. I'm on a 16 weeker of EQ/test and it took 7 weeks to notice the EQ properly. 85kg=187lbs, sounds right for a 6' swimmer.
blut wump
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As already noted, 85Kg is 187 lbs which is much better. The ratio is 2.2.
I don't think there's a good answer to your question and it's really down to how long you wish to be on cycle. For your first cycle, I'd be inclined to err on the side of shorter, especially considering the extra three to four weeks for the Eq to clear.
I think I'd be inclined to run the Winny at the end as a finisher.
I don't think there's a good answer to your question and it's really down to how long you wish to be on cycle. For your first cycle, I'd be inclined to err on the side of shorter, especially considering the extra three to four weeks for the Eq to clear.
I think I'd be inclined to run the Winny at the end as a finisher.
Thank you all, I guess that settles it for me. I'll go with the winnies as a finisher and run the 14 weeks, using the winnies in the 3 weeks "cooldown" before PCT...
Also, this might be somewhere on the forum, but what is the genereal consensus for pct training load? Keep the same weights with a bit less volume, or allow my body some more rest...?
I'm sure I'll find an answer to this with some googling, I'll get to searching.
Again, thanks for you input. Always good to have some more experienced users for guidance.
Also, this might be somewhere on the forum, but what is the genereal consensus for pct training load? Keep the same weights with a bit less volume, or allow my body some more rest...?
I'm sure I'll find an answer to this with some googling, I'll get to searching.
Again, thanks for you input. Always good to have some more experienced users for guidance.
Alright, I'll do that!
I'll sneak in two more questions here, although a new thread might be warranted as they are somewhat differing to eachother...
I have bought Nolva for my pct, but I went over a norwegian website regarding steroids, and the genereal concensus there seemed to be that for "pct", the best option is to just cut out everything. That is, no nolva, no nothing. Just eat healthy and get plenty of rest. Apperantly this is going with the "let the body heal itself" gospel...
Now, I'll be keeping my nolva for any estrogen sides while on the eq, but is there really any clinically proven data that shows that nolva will help as pct? I know it blocks estrogen, but does that directly translate into your test levels improving faster..?
Also, my second question might be even worse as far as my newbie nature shining through... I did my first shot in the quads, I aspirated slowly, and "nothing" came out of the leg... Now, I just slowly injected after this, but what is the "nothing" I am drawing out of my leg when aspirating?
I got a little nervous afterwards thinking it might have been air, although I don't see how I'd have air in my thigh!
If anyone could clear this up I'd greatly appreciate it! And thanks for you continuing contributions, blut wump, appreciate it.
I'll sneak in two more questions here, although a new thread might be warranted as they are somewhat differing to eachother...
I have bought Nolva for my pct, but I went over a norwegian website regarding steroids, and the genereal concensus there seemed to be that for "pct", the best option is to just cut out everything. That is, no nolva, no nothing. Just eat healthy and get plenty of rest. Apperantly this is going with the "let the body heal itself" gospel...
Now, I'll be keeping my nolva for any estrogen sides while on the eq, but is there really any clinically proven data that shows that nolva will help as pct? I know it blocks estrogen, but does that directly translate into your test levels improving faster..?
Also, my second question might be even worse as far as my newbie nature shining through... I did my first shot in the quads, I aspirated slowly, and "nothing" came out of the leg... Now, I just slowly injected after this, but what is the "nothing" I am drawing out of my leg when aspirating?
I got a little nervous afterwards thinking it might have been air, although I don't see how I'd have air in my thigh!
If anyone could clear this up I'd greatly appreciate it! And thanks for you continuing contributions, blut wump, appreciate it.
