Last night dinner =$1240.00 Tip = $3.00

[Sub-Zero]

you were only wrong if you didnt express what the problem was. like if u told the manager the waitress suciked her left her a note or told her she was a jackfuck, and THEN tipped her trash, i agree.

otherwise u just seem like a cheapass and shell keep fucking up


EDITED BY SHADOW.....



dont be a dick

uhhh shadow...

how was this being a dick?

 

[Sub-Zero]

I respectfully disagree.

As you know, people only receive a life lesson when the knowldege comes from a source they trust. Most people tend to rationalzie away behavior that could make them look bad - this is largely a defense mechanism that requires self study to overcome. (I've written about this shit, forgive me if I ramble)

Thus, when the server sees the $3 tip, she will not think "I fucked up" but will instead think "What a table full of cheap assholes!"

She will rationalize the problem as AAPs (and his group's), not hers. People do this all the time, to their detriment.

In order for her to receive a life lesson, she has to hear the criticism from a credible source against which there is no rationalization. Getting a stern talking-to or worse, dismissed, by her manager would have killed the rationalization mechanism. There would have been no one else to blame.

The manager would speak with a voice of credibility. if AAP had tipped her fully, he would have removed himself as a possible defense mechanism against her rationalizing. By talking to the manager, SOMETHING would have happened to the server. That's - as you know - how high end eateries are.

Then, you have a life lesson learned. Here, she just blames AAP and will do it again.

Your fee for that wisdom:

No charge.

i agree, that is basically a more eloquent way of saying what i said but somehow i was being a dick and you wernt

 

[Alpine]

Holy fuckstick. What they hell do you do that enables this. Sometimes its hard for me to justify 2 meals a week.


And BTW, a waitress NEVER gets more than 10 bucks from me. There is only so much a service like this is worth. Me and my girls meal was 150? 20 bucks, max. No way in fucking hell id leave a 240 dollar tip on a 1200 dollar meal, no matter how good the service was. Thats like paying someone 240 bucks to wash your car, cut your hair...etc.

IMO, service charges should be part of the meal bill, not seperate, but that doesnt mean i wont tip. Ill stop tipping when the system changes and they make a decent salary.

Ok then, if all "service charges" (tips) are added into the bill, then AAP doesn't have a chance to short her on the tip based on performance. Would you rather have that? You wouldn't tip a GOOD waiter/waitress $240 on a $1200 bill when the service was excellent?.......that's just cheap! If you can afford a $1200 meal, you can afford the $240 tip.

 

[Mr. dB]

A bad tip = room in her mind for blaming AAP.

Better than:

A good tip = encouragement for her bad service

 

[manny78]

Yep, that's right. Myself, my boss and a client had dinner last night to go over some issues of acquiring our services.

Now the dinner wasn't that expensive, about $500, but it was that we had 3 bottles of very expensive wine, and then we sent another 4 bottles out to different tables. Sent one bottle to a table where this Italian dude was clearly so full of himself and on a first date to boot. He was doing nothing but talking about himself with his little square toe shoes. So I sent a bottle over there to the girl he was with. Man, you would have thought someone threw ice cold water in his face. He just shut up right away and finished the meal with a look of stun on his face.

Anyway, as the title says, I only left a $3 dollar tip. Can you believe that? And not by accident either. I don't know what the fuck the waitress was doing. When we sat down, we brought our drinks from the bar. We ordered and we did not even have table water until the meal came. Even then, it was the chef that brought our dishes. When we ordered more cocktails, I actually had to go back to the bar to get them as she wasn't coming around. All she did was take our order and then prior to us leaving bring the bill.

So, when I fill out the AmEx bill.. I put down $3.

Was I wrong?

You did the right thing except you should have given a small tip to the chef.

 

[AAP]

I don't mind her blaming me.

Let her complain to the manager that I didn't tip her. Then he will say, "well he tipped the bar tender very well. Wonder why you didn't get a tip? What did you do?"

I believe in positive reenforcement. You reward bad behaviour and it only encourages it. If she got a tip, she would have said "so what, I got the $$ now, who cares" to any critism she had. And the ones leaving that night with a slight would have just been us. When you are presenting a company rep with deals in the 8-9 million range, you don't want shit like a waitress stressing the situation.

 

[Guvna]

.that's just cheap! If you can afford a $1200 meal, you can afford the $240 tip.

Thats not the point. I will never pay someone 200 bucks to shine my shoes. Same with a tip.

 

[Guvna]

I respectfully disagree.

As you know, people only receive a life lesson when the knowldege comes from a source they trust. Most people tend to rationalzie away behavior that could make them look bad - this is largely a defense mechanism that requires self study to overcome. (I've written about this shit, forgive me if I ramble)

Thus, when the server sees the $3 tip, she will not think "I fucked up" but will instead think "What a table full of cheap assholes!"

She will rationalize the problem as AAPs (and his group's), not hers. People do this all the time, to their detriment.

In order for her to receive a life lesson, she has to hear the criticism from a credible source against which there is no rationalization. Getting a stern talking-to or worse, dismissed, by her manager would have killed the rationalization mechanism. There would have been no one else to blame.

The manager would speak with a voice of credibility. if AAP had tipped her fully, he would have removed himself as a possible defense mechanism against her rationalizing. By talking to the manager, SOMETHING would have happened to the server. That's - as you know - how high end eateries are.

Then, you have a life lesson learned. Here, she just blames AAP and will do it again.

Your fee for that wisdom:

No charge.

I agree with this; however, that doesnt change the fact that she gave shit service, and is going to get a shit tip. I am not going to be the one to "teach her a lesson" and lose hundreds to make sure she serves someone else better in the future, and really earns her tip that time. Thats not my job.

 

[Y_lifter]

It just hit me this very moment why AAP did not call over the Manager
and complain at the time of service as I think he should have.

As stated, I would have done that with the exception of having very
important guests with me at the table and not wanting to cause added stress..

The exception to this exception would be if the guests had noticed the poor service,
and it was a subject of conversation at the table ..