Knees past the toes ?

[anthrax]

Recent studies seem to indicate that the knees could go past your toes w/o any damage for the knees

This is new since we've all hearded that we should never let our knees bend past our toes

Have you tried squating w/ your knees bending past your toes ?
Any opinion on this critical subject ?

 

[Lililston]

you should distribute the weight over the knees and hips, if it also means passing over the toes

 

[super_rice]

yeah, i find it to be more natural for the knees to go over the toes, and i've been doing this, so far, no injuries, no pain.

there is a good illustration on fortified iron that shows that distributing the weight this way minimizes shearing forces at the knee.

 

[Sub-Zero]

i still say its bad form.

if you stick your ass it properly and keep your back as upright as possible, your knees shoudlnt be going over your toes..

also, if your not bending at the waist i dont see how youd be working ur ass or your hip flexors, instead if be working your ankles (i guess calves maybe?) and quads only.. just doesnt seem right

 

[casualbb]

Really? I've found that if I'm to keep my knees from going over my toes, I basically need to bend my upper body forward more and bare more of the burden on my hips.

I know squat with knees-past-toes a bit and it puts more emphasis on my quads?

 

[Sub-Zero]

Really? I've found that if I'm to keep my knees from going over my toes, I basically need to bend my upper body forward more and bare more of the burden on my hips.

I know squat with knees-past-toes a bit and it puts more emphasis on my quads?

i guess im weird, but id immagine that reguardless for everyone going past knees wouldnt hit the ass as hard? i dunno though

 

[bignate73]

isnt this the difference between an OLY high bar squat and a PL style squat? sitting in the "pocket" vs moving the hips back as far as possible.

the main thing that increases risk is when the knee is "hinging" forward. its one thing to move in a controlled manner to lower and your knees go forward a bit, but bending at the knees first instead of the hips sets you up for a great deal of shearing forces. similar to when people do lunges incorrectly and "glide forward".

 

[GOHVYORGOHME]

yeah, i find it to be more natural for the knees to go over the toes, and i've been doing this, so far, no injuries, no pain.

there is a good illustration on fortified iron that shows that distributing the weight this way minimizes shearing forces at the knee.

If that's you in the avator you look pretty young. I do believe that making your knees go past your toes will make you more succeptable to a knee injury. I really believe practicing this form would put a lot of wear and tear on your knees. This is something you wouldn't feel today or tomorrow, but years from now. Just my 2cents lol.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

Recent studies seem to indicate that the knees could go past your toes w/o any damage for the knees

This is new since we've all hearded that we should never let our knees bend past our toes

Have you tried squating w/ your knees bending past your toes ?
Any opinion on this critical subject ?

Where are these studies? Link?

 

[b fold the truth]

Recent studies seem to indicate that the knees could go past your toes w/o any damage for the knees

Studies CAN prove anything. That is why there are always conflicting studies.

If you want to squat more...spread the weight out over your body.

I watch "Cuthbert/Linder" front squat 232 butt to the floor, paused at the bottom, for reps, like candy the other day. He sat BACK too.

B True

 

[super_rice]

If that's you in the avator you look pretty young. I do believe that making your knees go past your toes will make you more succeptable to a knee injury. I really believe practicing this form would put a lot of wear and tear on your knees. This is something you wouldn't feel today or tomorrow, but years from now. Just my 2cents lol.

just what i see in oly lifters. some of them, their knees are way over their toes. personally, when i fullsquat my knees are right on top of my toes, a bit behind. when i used squat with my shins perpindicular to the floor, it caused knee pain for me, so i stopped and changed to a more "natural feeling" if you will, full squat. this has helped me. just my young 2cents. i don't believe it makes it worth any less.

 

[time2getbig]

I have gone to smith machine squats with my legs slightly extended. I find it is impossible to use my back to facilitate lifting the weight and my knees will never extend beyond my toes. Thats just my .02

 

[GOHVYORGOHME]

just what i see in oly lifters. some of them, their knees are way over their toes. personally, when i fullsquat my knees are right on top of my toes, a bit behind. when i used squat with my shins perpindicular to the floor, it caused knee pain for me, so i stopped and changed to a more "natural feeling" if you will, full squat. this has helped me. just my young 2cents. i don't believe it makes it worth any less.

Sry bro if it seemed I was implying you don't know what your talking about. I only meant, you might not see the affects it could cause on your knees until later.

 

[Lumberg]

You know I never understood that whole knee shouldn't go in front of your ankle thing. I never had a problem with my knee being out there, even though I tried to avoid it when possible.

 

[b fold the truth]

You know I never understood that whole knee shouldn't go in front of your ankle thing. I never had a problem with my knee being out there, even though I tried to avoid it when possible.

Going in front of your ankle is not the same as your knee going out over your toes.

For optimal weight moved...I'd suggest a wider stance with the butt going back and shins straight up and down.

B True

 

[bignate73]

agreed

 

[Nico Cujo]

All olympic lifters squat full and their knees go past their toes. And they have excellent quad development.

 

[b fold the truth]

All olympic lifters squat full and their knees go past their toes. And they have excellent quad development.

Yep...

but if they are wanting to SQUAT big numbers...they will need to learn to sit back a lot more.

B True

 

[bignate73]

i dont know that quad size is an indicator of knee longevity, actually quite the opposite. hamstring stabilization plays an integral part in knee stability.

 

[b fold the truth]

i dont know that quad size is an indicator of knee longevity, actually quite the opposite. hamstring stabilization plays an integral part in knee stability.

I just need to quit making posts...I agree with too much that you should say.

I should just start replying with "whatever bignate says...because I agree completely".



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[Nico Cujo]

Yep...

but if they are wanting to SQUAT big numbers...they will need to learn to sit back a lot more.

B True

Aranda from Cuba squats 4 times his bodyweight, full, ass to the floor, without a lifting suit, belt, or knee wraps. Just uses knee sleeves...and without a spotter.

 

[b fold the truth]

Aranda from Cuba squats 4 times his bodyweight, full, ass to the floor, without a lifting suit, belt, or knee wraps. Just uses knee sleeves...and without a spotter.

What is 4x his body weight?

I rarely see many OL lifters actually squat much past parallel...because their knees move so far fwd that it actually puts their hips at, above, or very slightly below contest dept for a powerlifter.

If HE wants to squat bigger numbers (ie BIG numbers, especially for him), then he will need to widen his stance...like I said before.

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[Debaser]

Maybe we shouldn't forget about Chakarov, either.

Weighing in about 90 kg he squatted 3 times his bodyweight for a TRIPLE, rock bottom, high-bar close-stance COMPLETELY RAW (not even a belt).

Now that's incredible to me. Not to undermine the accomplishments of any other lifter, but this kind of stuff is what impresses me the most.

 

[Nico Cujo]

Aranda squatted 300kg weighing 75kg.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Aranda squatted 300kg weighing 75kg.

Something I posted on a similar thread...


NSCA

 

[b fold the truth]

I rarely see many OL lifters actually squat much past parallel...because their knees move so far fwd that it actually puts their hips at, above, or very slightly below contest dept for a powerlifter.

If HE wants to squat bigger numbers (ie BIG numbers, especially for him), then he will need to widen his stance...like I said before.

B True

As I said before...and pay close attention to the 2nd section.

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