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Just tried the "Bubble Method" for injecting

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Teh "bubble method" was from a post a few days back, where you leave about 1/4 cc of air in the syringe so you can get every drop off gear out of the syringe rather than having some stay in the needle.

The only thing that made me nervous was that when I tried to aspirate I think the air bubble in the syringe wasn't allowing the needle to aspirate correctly. Usually I can feel suction when I pull back and a bubble will come into the syringe, but this time nothing happened, no blood or bubble? I pulled back atleast .3-.5 cc's?????

Also, when I was pressing the plunger to inject the gear, it felt harder to get the gear to go through the needle? Maybe the air made some give on the plunger, or maybe I hit scar tissue???

BUT all the gear came out of the needle!
 
good deal, i'll be doing the same in a few weeks... glad we all came into the "know" about this.

jkerry
 
I've been using the bubble method for long time. It just makes sense to do so, if you don't want to waist any of your gear. Glad to know I'm not the only one doing this, and I'm not totally crazy.
 
I'm not familiar with this method post a link. I'm assuming it just involves leaving a small amount of air in the needle prior to injecting. If so, I already do that. Even if you didn't aspirating would cause air to be drawn into the syringe prior to injecting. Clear this up for me guys.
 
Is it true that if you pump air into a vein that you will die? in this token if you leave a bubble of air and do not aspirate for whatever reason, and inject directly into a blood vessel could you really die?

or nevermind that complex situation, is it true that pumping air into a vein can or will kill you?
 
how much gear can you actually waste.....maybe 2% of so of a ml??? i'll still get the air out of my shots first...but thats just me
 
DRRman said:
how much gear can you actually waste.....maybe 2% of so of a ml??? i'll still get the air out of my shots first...but thats just me
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unless you have parkinsons disease i don't think the bubble method is really necessary IMO
 
I've never heard of this. Can someone post a link that explains this method. I don't know if the little bit left in the syringe can actually make a signifcant impact on the effectivenss of the injection. It sounds like the risk of leaving air in the syringe outweighs any benefit associated with this method.
 
if you press the plunger hard enough you will get it all out....remember you are injecting air into muscle tissue not blood besides its takes more than a few bubbles to cause problems......one of my past threads "I'm anemic" i required several blood transfusions as i was lying there i freaked after seeing several bubbles in the line(IV) heading for me,I choked that baby off and hit the nurse call buttion like crazy. After you think about it -look at it this way...air enters your lungs there it is asorbed into the membranes into the bloodstream for the red cells to carry thruout the body.....so everyone quit worrying.


;) RADAR
 
DecaBane said:
Is it true that if you pump air into a vein that you will die? in this token if you leave a bubble of air and do not aspirate for whatever reason, and inject directly into a blood vessel could you really die?

or nevermind that complex situation, is it true that pumping air into a vein can or will kill you?
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Think about in this way. Pumping oil into a vien is just as deadly. The message? Don't inject into a vien.
 
DRRman said:
how much gear can you actually waste.....maybe 2% of so of a ml??? i'll still get the air out of my shots first...but thats just me
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Hell yeah 2%! I'm on a budget and paid for that 2% and I want every last mg. ;)
 
LOL -- how much gear can be in a pin? I suppose if you have your cycle planned to the EXACT mega-ml then it might make a difference...

Ahh well... to each their own... if you feel better then that is all that matters right? All that REALLY matters is eating the food and pumping the iron...

Iron Brother Citruscide -- Out. :)

C-ditty
 
Folks ! You only put a tiny amount of air in the syringe , just enough to get all the gear out of the hub of the needle. We're not talking about 5cc's. When you draw you're gear up thump syringe to get all the bubbles out and force air out. Then draw back on the plunder till you see just enough air to clear the needle's hub, shouldn't be more than 1/10 th of a ml.
 
I know this, if i press it hard enough to compress the rubber stopper when im done injecting, there's nothing left but virtual residue of the substance
 
Even if you filled an entire syringe with air it would not kill you. You need to inject a LOT of air into a vein to kill you. It's been posted on the board before.
 
I can't believe some of you vets don't know what the "bubble method" is used for. It's purpose "isn't" to get ALL the gear out of the needle. The air left inside the syringe is used to keep the oil from seeping out of the muscle. An added benefit is that it gets most of the oil out of the needle. And the air won't kill, haven't any of you noticed the air thats gets pulled into the syringe when you aspirate?? I use this method and I inject everyday. I'm not dead yet!
 
Maybe if you were using 20 gauge railroad spike to inject with, you might be losing a substantial amount of gear left in the needle. But a 25 gauge needle is going to have a negligible amount of gear left in it.

I'm with the "F That" crowd...
 
lenbo said:
Folks ! You only put a tiny amount of air in the syringe , just enough to get all the gear out of the hub of the needle. We're not talking about 5cc's. When you draw you're gear up thump syringe to get all the bubbles out and force air out. Then draw back on the plunder till you see just enough air to clear the needle's hub, shouldn't be more than 1/10 th of a ml.
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most of the medical stuff i have read, lists 3cc's as the minimum amount that is required to be injected into a vein to cause problems...that is A LOT of air!!!
 
I'm all about the air. No wasted special sauce, no leakage, and you get to hear the nifty "psssst" upon completion..
 
Creep is right; the primary reason for airlocking (bubble method) is to close the injection track; the same reason some use a z-track protocol.

I've experimented with airlocking; wasn't my favorite.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:


Think about in this way. Pumping oil into a vien is just as deadly. The message? Don't inject into a vien.
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That is not even close to true. Do you have any idea how many intravenous drugs are oil based? And yes an air bubble can kill you, not sure on the size but I would rather waste $7 out of a 10cc bottle then kill myself.
 
I read some info from a UK website a few days back, it listed the benefits of the Bubble Method and the Z track method. The primary purpose for this like someone posted earlier, is to prevent the gear from seeping back out toward the skin and causing possible infection, the saving of the your gear is just a side benefit. I am no doctor, but supposedly it is considered a safer injection technique if done properly. But to each his own, I'm with Bodybyfinaplex on this one, I too want to get every last drop that I paid for!;)
 
There are more than a few drops in the top of the pin.(not the actual needle) I remember reading one person who collected it and after 10 1cc shots there was a total of about 1cc wasted.

It prevents oil from seeping out.

It takes at least 3cc of air shot directly into a vein to be dangerous.

You are not pulling air in when you aspirate. the bubble created is a vacuum.

There is no reason not to utilize this method other than ignorance.
 
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