just saw LOTR3

[AAP]

decent movie... I loved the battle scenes, but I could have fast forwarded it through all the parts about frodo. All he did was cry and fall down in each of his scenes.

Gandalph - (didja see those wrestling boots he was wearing under that robe?) Ok... now seriously, why didn' t he use his magic more? I mean, he is a wizard right? He used that ray of light trick to scare off the dragon riders when they were chasing the army across the field. Why didn't he do that trick later when they were attacking the castle? He was pretty sissy for a wizard. Not much help at all.

Someone tell me what the "message" was that the red haired dude was going to deliver by riding across the field with about 30 men to face a city full of enemies? WTF was he thinking? Why did he do this?

I was disappointed with the big spider thing... but hey, if it worked for Harry Potter....

Did those big elephants on the battlefield remind you of the AT-ATs from Empire Strikes Back? And just how could a measley little sword cut through their thick hide at the ankle and cripple them?

Gollum - ok... now explain this... when he killed his friend and got the ring... why did it make all his hair fall out and turn him ugly? What was he going to do with the ring himself? And I was really glad to see him fall. I hated him from the very beginning in LOTR2. And the people raving about what a great performance he turned in (CGI), man he was dreadfully ugly.

 

[GodOfThunder]

I too wondered why Gandalf didn't wow everyone with magic
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[Deleted member 33117]

Gollum's hair fell out because he was over 500 years old, and the ring also twisted his physical form. You were suppost to have a dislike of Gollum, even if you did pity him. Even in the novels he comes across as untrustworthy, and tainted by the one ring's evil. His plan for the ring? To have his prescious back. It completely dominated his mind, and was his driving obsession. He just wanted to have it back. That is part of the ring's magic. Everyone wants it eventually, and will do anything to get it.

The man with the red hair was not ridding to deliver a message, he was riding to please his father, and prove that he was his brother's equal, who had never let that city fall to an enemy. He was going to try to reclaim it, depsite the odds against him.

Gandolf and his magic? For one, magic in the Middle Earth fantasy world is more subtle than magic in other fantasy literature settings. Two, a truely powerful wizard always seeks to use his magic less, because he realizes the dangers of using such great and unstable power. Also, the greater the enegery harnessed (more powerful magics utilize more energy), the greater the stress placed on the wielder. This is basic fantasy stuff, I read over 500 fantasy novels by the time I was 16. A great wizard is a man of knowledge in any high fantas liturature. His greatest strength is his knowledge. Gandolf knew almost everything. Always knew what they must do. He was the one who convinced them to even undertake the quest to destroy the ring. He was immensly helpful, because without him they were totally blind to what was going on.

Any other questions?

 

[Tiervexx]

Gollum's hair fell out because he was over 500 years old, and the ring also twisted his physical form. You were suppost to have a dislike of Gollum, even if you did pity him. Even in the novels he comes across as untrustworthy, and tainted by the one ring's evil. His plan for the ring? To have his prescious back. It completely dominated his mind, and was his driving obsession. He just wanted to have it back. That is part of the ring's magic. Everyone wants it eventually, and will do anything to get it.

The man with the red hair was not ridding to deliver a message, he was riding to please his father, and prove that he was his brother's equal, who had never let that city fall to an enemy. He was going to try to reclaim it, depsite the odds against him.

Gandolf and his magic? For one, magic in the Middle Earth fantasy world is more subtle than magic in other fantasy literature settings. Two, a truely powerful wizard always seeks to use his magic less, because he realizes the dangers of using such great and unstable power. Also, the greater the enegery harnessed (more powerful magics utilize more energy), the greater the stress placed on the wielder. This is basic fantasy stuff, I read over 500 fantasy novels by the time I was 16. A great wizard is a man of knowledge in any high fantas liturature. His greatest strength is his knowledge. Gandolf knew almost everything. Always knew what they must do. He was the one who convinced them to even undertake the quest to destroy the ring. He was immensly helpful, because without him they were totally blind to what was going on.

Any other questions?

Good explainations.

 

[Wynn]

What he said.

 

[Smurfy]

BBF - you hit the nail on the head on all points. and LOTR2 was better IMO

 

[crimson coal]

I loved all three of the movies and read the books many times when I was young. The only thing that still gets me and seems a little hard to believe is when Frodo gets pierced in the stomach by shilobe (Spider) he's is able to move on..I know the poison wore off (Should have liquified his insides) but even though he still has a huge spear mark in his stomach from that stinger. Don't think he could move on for awhile after that but hey, It's just Fantasy I guess.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

cc, I was thinking the same thing, because spider venom's purpose is to liquidify their prey so they can suck the insides out, because this is how they eat. Again, it was fantasy, so the venom was probably different. You are right about his wound stopping him from moving though. Perhaps the orcs used some manner of magic to heal him (did it mention this in the books, I haven't read them since I was 12), so that he would be in good health when they started interigating him for information? Again, you are right, it is fantasy, although good fantay always strives to maintian the illusion of believability.

 

[Wynn]

I loved all three of the movies and read the books many times when I was young. The only thing that still gets me and seems a little hard to believe is when Frodo gets pierced in the stomach by shilobe (Spider) he's is able to move on..I know the poison wore off (Should have liquified his insides) but even though he still has a huge spear mark in his stomach from that stinger. Don't think he could move on for awhile after that but hey, It's just Fantasy I guess.

I thought about that myself. Real spiders envenom their prey through their fangs. Tolkien may have wanted Shelob to seem part wasp to give Frodo a chance.

 

[egotistical_player]

Best trilogy. Anyone feel sad during any parts?

 

[Testosterone boy]

Best trilogy. Anyone feel sad during any parts?

I felt sorry for myself during the last ten minutes which seemed quite pointless. I got there an almost an hour early in order to get a good seat..................tired of sitting!

The KIngs son that rode to his death to please his father was sad. Frodo dumping his companion for Gollum was disappointing. Seeing the men and horses get crushed by the super elephants was both cool and a bummer.

 

[tiger88]

damn i am 0ut of the loop i havnt seen 1,2 or 3

 

[The Red Dragon]

Loved the whole trilogy...except for the last 10 minutes. I wish I read the book so that I could have appreciated it even more.

 

[AAP]

Gollum's hair fell out because he was over 500 years old, and the ring also twisted his physical form. You were suppost to have a dislike of Gollum, even if you did pity him. Even in the novels he comes across as untrustworthy, and tainted by the one ring's evil. His plan for the ring? To have his prescious back. It completely dominated his mind, and was his driving obsession. He just wanted to have it back. That is part of the ring's magic. Everyone wants it eventually, and will do anything to get it.

The man with the red hair was not ridding to deliver a message, he was riding to please his father, and prove that he was his brother's equal, who had never let that city fall to an enemy. He was going to try to reclaim it, depsite the odds against him.

Gandolf and his magic? For one, magic in the Middle Earth fantasy world is more subtle than magic in other fantasy literature settings. Two, a truely powerful wizard always seeks to use his magic less, because he realizes the dangers of using such great and unstable power. Also, the greater the enegery harnessed (more powerful magics utilize more energy), the greater the stress placed on the wielder. This is basic fantasy stuff, I read over 500 fantasy novels by the time I was 16. A great wizard is a man of knowledge in any high fantas liturature. His greatest strength is his knowledge. Gandolf knew almost everything. Always knew what they must do. He was the one who convinced them to even undertake the quest to destroy the ring. He was immensly helpful, because without him they were totally blind to what was going on.

Any other questions?

excellent explainations.

Ok... one more. How did Gollum lose the ring? If he had it for 500 years or so? And how did he avoid the wraiths that came looking for it?

 

[b fold the truth]

3.5 hours of my life that I can't get back...

B True

 

[Testosterone boy]

3.5 hours of my life that I can't get back...

B True

Now that one is different.

 

[tiger88]

3.5 hours of my life that I can't get back...

B True

lol thats why i dont care to check em out

 

[AAP]

3.5 hours of my life that I can't get back...

B True

Tell the truth. You really want to haul Frodo up that mountain yourself and toss his ass in right?

I did.

 

[b fold the truth]

Tell the truth. You really want to haul Frodo up that mountain yourself and toss his ass in right?

I did.

I just couldn't figure out a lot. Besides the fact that ALL of it was predictable about 10 minutes before it happened on the screen...there was little to no practicability to it.

Anyone else notice a BIG resemblance between LOR 3 and WarCraft???

Human, Orc's, Elves, Evil people, the things that they fought with, etc...etc...freakin' etc...

B True

 

[breathinbleedout]

I haven't seen it yet, its almost done though about 97.6% downloaded. Can't wait to watch it tonight.

 

[vansmack2000]

I got a question, the high army general who said he couldnt be killed by a man, yet a woman and a hobbit can??! Did i miss something or is it that simple?
I starting thinkin how they explain all the fighting in detail in the book, how many different ways can Orge #5211 swing his club and kill someone..hmmm

 

[egotistical_player]

Yeah what was up with that, a woman, yes she has been training for a long time but the witchking seemed badass and I don't think he would have fallen to her.

 

[Heahy Minister]

My take on ROTK. Obviously a great movie on a huge scale which is what makes it fantastic, but if I had to pick it apart...

The scenes with Gollum, Frodo, and Sam get overly played out. Not even halfway into the movie and I'm hoping Gollum dies and never returns. I get sick of seeing his character. Too many repetitive scenes with Sam bickering with Gollum.

Secondly, they should not have cut out the scenes with Sauron. They should have showed how his power came to an end at the beginning as they had originally intended. All his scenes were cut out and that was a bad move on Peter Jackson's part. It would have also further added to seeing a variety of characters.

Thirdly, you don't see much of the "Fellowship" in this movie...Aragon and ESPECIALLY the elf and dwarf (the main ones). They are suppose to be the main characters yet don't have much screen time in this third part.

Fourthly, Gandalph is made out to look like a normal character. He is suppose to be a powerful wizard, yet the scenes where he is fighting and running out of breath severely downplay his character. Also, the main bad guy (the dark one whom the girl defeated) said that he will handle Gandalph. I was expecting there to be some kind of face-off between Gandalph and the main "bad guy" within the battle, yet there was none. That was disappointing.

 

[AAP]

And why did that "king" want to set the red haired man on fire (who rode against the enemies outnumbered) when he knew he was alive?

 

[sigweed]

excellent explainations.

Ok... one more. How did Gollum lose the ring? If he had it for 500 years or so? And how did he avoid the wraiths that came looking for it?

this was explained in The Hobbit
I havent read this forever, but from what i rememebr, Bilbo Baggins (Frodo's uncle) went on an adventure in his youth (he was like 60 or something), meeting many amazing creatures and events, but ultimately he ended up in a dragon's cave with tons of tunnels, corridors, crall spaces, etc, and i THINK he literally just stumbled over the ring as he was crawling through darkness. I guess Gollum just left it there because no one had ever come through there before, so he figured it was safe

 

[rushx79]

gollum just left it laying around in this cave deep within a mountain and bilbo stumbled across it.

in the hobbit bilbo and gollum's paths cross in the cave and gollum challenges bilbo to a contest of riddles-if bilbo can stump him gollum will let him live. bilbo stumps him and gollum, of course, goes back on his word but not before bilbo slips the ring on his finger, becomes invisible, and then escapes.

i hate it when people pick at minor details in a fantasy novel or movie. just use your imagination to explain away problems you may have. its not real afterall.

 

[coldblue1955]

i never cared too much for the lotr hype. But maybe someday i'll watch the second part. The 2 towers.

 

[PIGEON-RAT]

great movie, i can't wait for the uncut dvd

 

[Deleted member 33117]

b fold, the resembalance to warcraft is because all high fantasy is based on Tolkien. These books are older than you and I.

AAP, the ring wanted to get back to its true master, so it tricked Gollum into dropping it in his cave. While he was looking for it, Bilbo (Frodo's uncle) found it. Its all in the book The Hobbit, which is now also titled in stores "There and Back Again, A Hobbit's Tale" I believe.

The Nine did dot come after Gollum because Sauron had not yet rewaken and he did not have the power to summon the Nine again, until the begining of the first book/movie. It had taken him thousands of years to reform his spirit after being destroyed.

 

[digger]

Loved the whole trilogy...except for the last 10 minutes. I wish I read the book so that I could have appreciated it even more.

If you had read the books, you'd probably be throwing stuff at the screen.

The parts that made me sad were the ones where Peter Jackson finally used one line out of the book, and for maybe two seconds you could see what the movies could have been -- but then they went back to the Peter Jackson version and those feelings went away real quick.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I got a question, the high army general who said he couldnt be killed by a man, yet a woman and a hobbit can??! Did i miss something or is it that simple?

Welcome to the world of fantasy. I'm not certain, from the books, of the type of magic used to make this possible, but in fantasy novels (or in a rpg such as D&D which I played for about 12 years), the exact wording of any type of contengency you place in a spell must be carefully selected. The powers that be often find it grealy amusing to twist the exact wording of your spell to make it useless, or even dangers to you. One of the reasons powerful magic is dangerous, as I was talking about in the previous post with Gandolf. When I used to run a D&D game, I've killed players because of poorly worded wish or contgengency spells.

I starting thinkin how they explain all the fighting in detail in the book, how many different ways can Orge #5211 swing his club and kill someone..hmmm

Orge #5211, was a specialized breed of ogres specially breed and trained for 93 generations in the slave pits of Mordor. He can swing his clubd and kill someone in 1728 different ways. This is considerably better than the averge ogre of course.

 

[AAP]

Ok... one last question... about the ring itself.

I thought it would give the bearer of the ring power? All it did was turn them invisible. Where was all the power? I mean, Gollum didn't really have any power despite having the ring all that time or else he would not have been so ugly and disfigured.

Still I think Gandalph should have used more magic. I mean, many many lives were lost because of his insistence of fighting with a sword.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

AAP, only those with great power already can wield the ring. I got the impression from the novels that it more or less amplifies the power one already possesses. Of course only Sauron can use it to its fullest extent. It is more a less a keyed magic, tied to a specific individual. Bear in mind it does give ANYONE who uses it an exceptionally long life, and the power to turn invisiable. That has more potential than you realize. Also, had Bilbo not had it, they would not have slain the dragon in The Hobbit, although he did play a rather minor part.

As for Gandolf, me personally, I would have said to hell with it, used more magic and took the risk. However, Gandolf knew they were going to win anyway, and the manner of aid that was on the way, and chose not to risk himself. While Gandolf was of course on the side of good, he, like most powerful wizards, is of course somewhat self-serving, and not willing to risk himself for the sake of a few mortals. Gandolf almost fits the archtype of the dark hero.

 

[javaguru]

Three things I didn't like was how they didn't explain why the Palantier was at the base of the tower( wyrmtongue threw it out of Sauramon's tower). The second was the way Denethor committed suicide, I think Jackson could have made it closer to the book by having him hold the Palantier while self immolating. The reason Denethor despaired was the palantier deceived him. Finally, I didn't like how the ghosts were portrayed as "scrubbing bubbles." In the book they were released after the defeat of the Corsairs and it was actually the southern armies that manned the black fleet but adding the defeat of the black fleet probably would have added another 10-20 minutes of movie time to explain it properly.

Was it just me or did the idea of a frontal charge against the oliphaunts was a stupid idea as opposed to a flanking maneuver. Likewise, in the book their only weakness was their eyes.

ROTK was the least faithful to Tolkien's trilogy but still a very well done movie.

 

[javaguru]

I got a question, the high army general who said he couldnt be killed by a man, yet a woman and a hobbit can??! Did i miss something or is it that simple?

It really is that simple. One of the underlying themes of the story is that the "smallest person" can change the world. In this instance, a woman who was not allowed to fight was the only warrior who could defeat such a mighty opponent.

 

[javaguru]

Someone tell me what the "message" was that the red haired dude was going to deliver by riding across the field with about 30 men to face a city full of enemies? WTF was he thinking? Why did he do this?

1. He did it to win his father's love and prove he was equal to his brother.

2. It was about fulfilling his obligation to his lord and following orders regardless of the forseen outcome. Tolkien fought in WWI and that can be seen throughout the story. This could be compared to the suicidal frontal assaults against trenches defended by machine guns. You also see the strong bonds created by shared adversity which comes directly from his WWI experiences.

 

[Wynn]

Three things I didn't like was how they didn't explain why the Palantier was at the base of the tower( wyrmtongue threw it out of Sauramon's tower). The second was the way Denethor committed suicide, I think Jackson could have made it closer to the book by having him hold the Palantier while self immolating. The reason Denethor despaired was the palantier deceived him. Finally, I didn't like how the ghosts were portrayed as "scrubbing bubbles." In the book they were released after the defeat of the Corsairs and it was actually the southern armies that manned the black fleet but adding the defeat of the black fleet probably would have added another 10-20 minutes of movie time to explain it properly.

Was it just me or did the idea of a frontal charge against the oliphaunts was a stupid idea as opposed to a flanking maneuver. Likewise, in the book their only weakness was their eyes.

ROTK was the least faithful to Tolkien's trilogy but still a very well done movie.

Christopher Lee refused to appear at the premieres of ROTK because he's not in it. The scene with Saruman fighting Grima was cut out because of time concerns. It will be on the extended dvd next year.

 

[javaguru]

I assumed it was cut, I'm wondering how much better the extended DVD will make the movie.

 

[The_Ghost]

3.5 hours of my life that I can't get back...

B True

Hey you are stealing my material LOL.