Just how fast acting is Winstrol?

[Juice Authority]

Reason being, I want to time my injections. Since there's no ester attached to a 177aa like Winstrol it 's hard to determine its release into the body. So, far you pharmacology guru out there, what is the time release of winstrol. I believe Ben Johnson was doping with Winstrol right before the race where he was strppied of his gold medal.

 

[pajaro loco]

bump

 

[Juice Authority]

No one here really knows but thanks for the bump...

 

[Juice Authority]

Simply unbelieveable that no one can accurately answer this question...

 

[genarr3]

Reason being, I want to time my injections. Since there's no ester attached to a 177aa like Winstrol it 's hard to determine its release into the body. So, far you pharmacology guru out there, what is the time release of winstrol. I believe Ben Johnson was doping with Winstrol right before the race where he was strppied of his gold medal.

I've heard many different Ben Johnson stories. Some are that he thought he was using something else<dont remember what>. Another was that someone druged him without his knowledge. I sure there are others. At any rate Ben's "advisors" obviously weren't steroid geniuses. He got caught.

Are you concerned with being tested? As far as I know injected Winstrol has a half-life of 24hrs. Detection time? I dunno, I believe nautica is something of an expert in this area. You might want to email him if testing is your concern.

 

[Juice Authority]

Re: Re: Just how fast acting is Winstrol?

I've heard many different Ben Johnson stories. Some are that he thought he was using something else<dont remember what>. Another was that someone druged him without his knowledge. I sure there are others. At any rate Ben's "advisors" obviously weren't steroid geniuses. He got caught.

Are you concerned with being tested? As far as I know injected Winstrol has a half-life of 24hrs. Detection time? I dunno, I believe nautica is something of an expert in this area. You might want to email him if testing is your concern.

No, I'm not be tested or anything. I just thought there might be some science behind injecting winstrol prior to a workout.

 

[TheMuscleMonster]

only science i can tell you is dont do it in your arms pre-workout. you'll be pretty dam sore and it'll f with your lifts.

i just finished a cycle of winn (50mg eod). i tried to do it early in the days (and lift in the evenings). but honestly i dont think it matters.

but just keep in mind, i more or less have no idea what im talking about besides from my VERY limited experience

 

[zziggzzigg]

I believe the answer you are looking for is not easily 'cut-and-dry'...

Winstrol is a water based suspension, therefore the kinetics of the release of the drug from the injection point is hard to predict. The drug will leave 'crystals' in the muscle, and there are many variables at work as to what happens next. Sometimes the drug will find its way entirely into the bloodstream rapidly, other times it can 'sit' at the injection site for days (even weeks), releasing in a time-delayed fashion but not at a constant rate either.

 

[Juice Authority]

I believe the answer you are looking for is not easily 'cut-and-dry'...

Winstrol is a water based suspension, therefore the kinetics of the release of the drug from the injection point is hard to predict. The drug will leave 'crystals' in the muscle, and there are many variables at work as to what happens next. Sometimes the drug will find its way entirely into the bloodstream rapidly, other times it can 'sit' at the injection site for days (even weeks), releasing in a time-delayed fashion but not at a constant rate either.

Not necessarily. The Winstrol I have is oil based from Proline labs.

 

[Nelson Montana]

It's tough to gauge it presisely but I'd venture to guess it's pretty quick -- within an hour. I know even with an oil ester your blood levels will be elevated within a couple of hours. I would think a water based would be faster. And considering the half life is so short, it MUST work quickly.

There's some belief that the drug must pass through the liver before it attaches to receptors (not sure how that works, I'll leave the flow open to the tech guys on that one) but since circualtion is constant, it still shouldn't take more than an hour or so.

The misconception that gear takes time to "kick in" is based on faulty logic. It usually takes a week or so to notice results. That doesn't mean the drug wasn't already actve. For some people, result aren't evident for up to a month. In those cases I have to believe that the individual is not training and eating correctly. The best results should be in the second week.

Did this answer your question?

 

[RADAR]

JA a 2 hr peroid is sufficent right before workouts,for oil based products..........!!



RADAR

 

[Juice Authority]

It's tough to gauge it presisely but I'd venture to guess it's pretty quick -- within an hour. I know even with an oil ester your blood levels will be elevated within a couple of hours. I would think a water based would be faster. And considering the half life is so short, it MUST work quickly.

There's some belief that the drug must pass through the liver before it attaches to receptors (not sure how that works, I'll leave the flow open to the tech guys on that one) but since circualtion is constant, it still shouldn't take more than an hour or so.

The misconception that gear takes time to "kick in" is based on faulty logic. It usually takes a week or so to notice results. That doesn't mean the drug wasn't already actve. For some people, result aren't evident for up to a month. In those cases I have to believe that the individual is not training and eating correctly. The best results should be in the second week.

Did this answer your question?

Thanks Nelson. That's the closest someone came to answering the question. Now, if I'm stacking Primo with Testo 500 (200mg's of Enan, 200mg's of Cyp and 100mg's of Prop) in the same syringe will that lenghten the time it takes for Winstrol to kick in???

 

[Juice Authority]

JA a 2 hr peroid is sufficent right before workouts,for oil based products..........!!



RADAR

What if I'm stacking Primo with Testo 500 (200mg's of Enan, 200mg's of Cyp and 100mg's of Prop) in the same syringe will that lenghten the time it takes for Winstrol to kick in???

 

[RADAR]

yes it will as it takes more time for the body to assimilate the oil.

You could divide up the injections to different areas or to be safe , do them around 3-4 hrs preferrably to allow sufficient time for absortion.
I've tried both ways the smaller doses are more ideal!!!


RADAR

 

[Juice Authority]

yes it will as it takes more time for the body to assimilate the oil.

You could divide up the injections to different areas or to be safe , do them around 3-4 hrs preferrably to allow sufficient time for absortion.
I've tried both ways the smaller doses are more ideal!!!


RADAR

Are you nuts??? I'm not a Porcupine!!!

 

[JibbyJabba]

Are you nuts??? I'm not a Porcupine!!!

A porcupine's may have needles, but I don't believe it ever gets stuck - your analogy is poor.

 

[RADAR]

Are you nuts??? I'm not a Porcupine!!!

Does your mom know your up this morning---unsupervised?????
BTW i sent u some green also.


RADAR

 

[Juice Authority]

A porcupine's may have needles, but I don't believe it ever gets stuck - your analogy is poor.

It does if you step on it!

 

[zziggzzigg]

I disagree with nelson's comment about the 'guaranteed' speed of the water based... For example, as a test when you are fully off cycle, do one single shot of a fairly high dose of test suspension. I have tried this a number of times and you will hit a period of major strength increase, that is short lived and likened to a 'window of opportunity'... I have never seen this major strength burst in the first 24 hours of injection, which says to me that the testosterone is either not influencing the receptors immediately if it is free, or the testosterone crystals are more slowly absorbed from the injection site than is commonly assumed. It is also not an 'anabolically caused strength increase', as it is very transient and may only be in effect for a day at the most... which tells me that it is more of an androgenic cns recruiting effect.

 

[Dr. M]

Juice -

with oil-based winny, it's acutally more quickly absorbed. The reason Upjohn originally made a water-based micronized stanozolol is so that the insoluble (well, slowly soluble) crystals would provide their own time-release.

If it's oil-based, there are no crystal solubility issues. The oil disperses, the stanozolol is introduced into the body, and you're probably looking at peak blood levels between 60-120 minutes post-administration. Taken orally, these values differ of course.

If you're shooting ProLine oil-based, and want to time your injections, shoot about 1h-2h before your lift.

-M

 

[canadianhitman]

Ben Johnson was set up when he tested positive in Seoul. In Speed Trap, the book written by his coach Charlie Francis, it is revealed what Ben was on (Oral Turinabol, Furazabol, GH, thyroid). Ben hadn't used Winny in years, due to the tightness it caused in his muscles. Check out this account:

Why does Johnson’s positive test for stanozolol not make sense?

1) Because stanozolol would not have helped to enhance performance. If anything, it would have hindered it. Stanozolol is a steroid that helps to build muscle; a cheat would use a steroid in the months pre-competition, never during competition. Johnson’s high level of stanozolol suggests that he took it in the immediate days before racing.

2) Because while Johnson’s entire camp later acknowledged that they were guilty of following a finely prescribed drugs programme, they said that it was furazobol they were on, not stanozolol.

3) Because even if, by some massive mistake, Johnson’s camp had been giving him stanozolol instead of furazobol as intended, they all say that Johnson had his last shot on August 28, 26 days before the final. It would have taken 14 days for it to clear his system.

4) Because later laboratory tests showed that the stanozolol in Johnson’s sample was pure. Stanozolol that has been ingested and urinated would be a broken-down version of the drug.

And then there is the following assertion from Astaphan. “Listen, in November 1987, Charlie Francis gave Ben and Angella (Issajenko, another in the group) 16 milligrams of steroid in tablet form — four tablets over two days. They got such bad muscle cramps as a result that they had to take valium. And now, because of the high level Ben tested positive for in Seoul, the suggestion is that he took more than four tablets within 48 hours of the race? It just doesn’t make sense, even a child can see it.”

The damn yanks rigged it because they knew Ben was gonna humiliate Carl Lewis.

 

[lostlazy]

only science i can tell you is dont do it in your arms pre-workout. you'll be pretty dam sore and it'll f with your lifts.

i just finished a cycle of winn (50mg eod). i tried to do it early in the days (and lift in the evenings). but honestly i dont think it matters.

but just keep in mind, i more or less have no idea what im talking about besides from my VERY limited experience

Sore ? Why shoot it ? Drink it, it's just as effective. Mix it with some ice tea and down it.