just completed nelsons post cycle therapy - excluding clomid...results are..

[leonman]

Nelson>
You write that Avena Sativa frees testosterone. I did a pubmed search but could not find any evidence for this. found a lot about oats, cereal and their influence on metabolism etc. but nothing about the endocrine system?

Did find this about Maca though - seems to be working by stimulating the sexual desire without influence on the endocrine system:

Effect of Lepidium meyenii (MACA) on sexual desire and its absent relationship with serum testosterone levels in adult healthy men.

Gonzales GF, Cordova A, Vega K, Chung A, Villena A, Gonez C, Castillo S.

Instituto de Investigaciones de la Altura, and Department of Biological and Physiological Sciences (Faculty of Sciences and Philosophy), Universidad Peruana Cayetano Heredia, Lima, Peru.

This study was a 12-week double blind placebo-controlled, randomized, parallel trial in which active treatment with different doses of Maca Gelatinizada was compared with placebo. The study aimed to demonstrate if effect of Maca on subjective report of sexual desire was because of effect on mood or serum testosterone levels. Men aged 21-56 years received Maca in one of two doses: 1500 mg or 3000 mg or placebo. Self-perception on sexual desire, score for Hamilton test for depression, and Hamilton test for anxiety were measured at 4, 8 and 12 weeks of treatment. An improvement in sexual desire was observed with Maca since 8 weeks of treatment. Serum testosterone and oestradiol levels were not different in men treated with Maca and in those treated with placebo (P:NS). Logistic regression analysis showed that Maca has an independent effect on sexual desire at 8 and 12 weeks of treatment, and this effect is not because of changes in either Hamilton scores for depression or anxiety or serum testosterone and oestradiol levels. In conclusion, treatment with Maca improved sexual desire.

Another study (new - from jan 2003) also showed no effect on hormone levels in adult men. In rats, though, it has been proven to invigorate spermatogenesis.

 

[The_Ghost]

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Don't love it. But anything is better tha Clomid.

Okay, real quick -- the ultimate "natural" post cycle recovery.


Mandatory

Avena Sativa -- frees T
Calcium D Glucarate -- stops e
Zinc -- improves SC
Milk Thisle -- cleans liver

Optional

Maca -- hightenes libido
r-ALA-- restores liver function
Chrysin -- with biotine -- removes excess e
Xanthoparmilia -- gives wicked hardons
Cndium -- gives wicked hardons

No time for dosages. somebody help me. Gotta go.

Couple of questions?

Can I buy normal Zinc?

What is the difference between this Calicium and Calcium citrate?

 

[The_Ghost]

Any Canadian bros know where to get Avena without paying through the nose for Biotests products.


Also where do you people get Cndium from.


I don't want a place in the US as I hate paying the customs fees and the high price of shipping that things usually cost.

 

[doubles1]

yea where can we get avena from any1? im still doing clo at he end of my cycle and going to do avena and zinc as well.

 

[biogeared]

I think I'm gonna give this a try, it sounds very good.

 

[speller]

Re: Re: just completed nelsons post cycle therapy - excluding clomid...results are..

This isn't a falme bro but.....if you are a MD-as in Medical DR- I suggest you go back to school and learn how to spell and also work on the grammar....it's atrocious.

Now to the topic on hand....Clomid has it's uses as does HCG, but in my opinion it is over used and abused as well as the use of anti estrogens...but that's another story.

I A-POL-O-GIZE (is that correct??) i do not read my messages after i write them, nor do I look at the screen when I type.
Hope you were able to manage though - dick head

 

[muscleup]

I'mgiving neslons theory a try also..but I will add arimidex to it

 

[CLOBRO]

Excellent post bro. You can't put a value on this info especially with the blood tests as proof.
I am on Avena and Maca right now. Only been a couple of days but I feel pretty good.

 

[Turkish]

Couple of questions?

Can I buy normal Zinc?

What is the difference between this Calicium and Calcium citrate?

Bump for these questions

 

[speller]

here was my post cycle stack. i decided to go a little higher than the recommended dosages simply for the fact that what is not used is pissed out, and no harm no foul. another benifit i personally experienced from this is an increase in energy. i do not need to sleep as long and i wake up feeling refreshed and well rested. my stress level seems to have dropped considerably, seeing how i work in a highly stressful environment. i have kept about 90% of my gains as well. for example. i would do three sets of bench, on my last set while on i would do 405 for 2 , post cycle, i dropped to 385 for 2. for other exercises i lost about a rep on my heavy set.
i began hcg 5 weeks after my last sustanon shot and 1 day after my last fina shot. i was using the B12 throughout the cycle. as for everything else i began the day after my last sustanon shot. hope this answers everyones questions. feel free to post any more if the come up. good luck

here were my stats on :
weight - 227lbs
body fat - 9%
height 5'9"

2 months post :
weight - 222lbs
body fat - 8%
height - (regrettably the same)


tribulus - 1000mg daily is two doses
avena sativa - 300mg
magnesium - 450mg (taken before bed)
zinc - 50mg (taken before bed)
thiamine vitamin B1 - (50mg taken first thing in morning)
hcg - 1000iu every other day - total 5000iu
B12 human injectable - 1000mcg eod