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just completed nelsons post cycle therapy - excluding clomid...results are..

speller

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after reading day in and day out about what is the best way to recover, i thought i would put this desussion to rest and do my own experiment.
im the past i have always used clomid post cycle along with hcg.
let me give you a brief history of my clomid experience. im the type of guy that gets a hard on at the first site of a broad, even the ugly ones sometimes! while i was on, i was out of control. my girlfriend thought there was something wrong with me. i had a hard on 24/7. then my cycle ends. i start clomid. in a matter of no time (about 1 week in to clomid therapy) no hard ons, and zero sex drive. now you may say i was crashing post cycle after dbol and anadrol , fina cycle. sure to an extent but isnt the clomid supposed to cure this? not the case with me. my girlfriend was the first to notice i never wanted to have sex. also it was tuff to get a hard on and the ones i got where chubby at best. i was also moody and a bit depressed. i was also experiencing acne on my shoulders and back worse than while on my cycle. so i stopped taking the clomid and within 3 or 4 day i was back to full maas. steamers left and right - you couldnt get it down. this was before all this clomid talk on the boards here. so i just completed a dbol and sustanon cycle. 750mg of test a week 12 weeks and cycled up to 50mg of dbol a day, (did a pyramid with the dbol). so i thought id try what nelson had suggested. i got some hcg, or course but left out the clomid, and added avena sativa along with zinc, magnesium and tribulus. i only lost 4 pounds - water im sure. there was never a glitch in my sex drive. it stayed nice and high (no pun intented).
if this is not enough proof for those disbelievers out there. both times i got my blood work done and test level checked.
after the clomid (1 1/2 months after test was completed) my test levels had barely got back over the minimum baseline level. im a doctor ( i specialize in addiction treatment and treat many patients on methadone, which is administered to help people treat their herion or pain killer (opiate) addiction) so i have seen a wide range of test. levels due to opiates having a negative effect on natural test.production. mine was equivelant to a 70 year old man on herion!
got the levels checked again post nelson theory - they were mid range, right smack in the middle of the chart.
needless to say if my words dont convince you, maybe my bloodwork results will.
i would suggest to those of you debating the idea of trying this - do, you wont regret it.
 
" i got some hcg, or course but left out the clomid, and added avena sativa along with zinc, magnesium and tribulus. i only lost 4 pounds - water im sure. there was never a glitch in my sex drive. it stayed nice and high (no pun intented). "


I'd Like to try this to end my test/eq cycle..what were doses?
and where can i find avena sativa, tribulus( not to mention.. what the hell are they??)

F
 
speller said:
after reading day in and day out about what is the best way to recover, i thought i would put this desussion to rest and do my own experiment.
im the past i have always used clomid post cycle along with hcg.
let me give you a brief history of my clomid experience. im the type of guy that gets a hard on at the first site of a broad, even the ugly ones sometimes! while i was on, i was out of control. my girlfriend thought there was something wrong with me. i had a hard on 24/7. then my cycle ends. i start clomid. in a matter of no time (about 1 week in to clomid therapy) no hard ons, and zero sex drive. now you may say i was crashing post cycle after dbol and anadrol , fina cycle. sure to an extent but isnt the clomid supposed to cure this? not the case with me. my girlfriend was the first to notice i never wanted to have sex. also it was tuff to get a hard on and the ones i got where chubby at best. i was also moody and a bit depressed. i was also experiencing acne on my shoulders and back worse than while on my cycle. so i stopped taking the clomid and within 3 or 4 day i was back to full maas. steamers left and right - you couldnt get it down. this was before all this clomid talk on the boards here. so i just completed a dbol and sustanon cycle. 750mg of test a week 12 weeks and cycled up to 50mg of dbol a day, (did a pyramid with the dbol). so i thought id try what nelson had suggested. i got some hcg, or course but left out the clomid, and added avena sativa along with zinc, magnesium and tribulus. i only lost 4 pounds - water im sure. there was never a glitch in my sex drive. it stayed nice and high (no pun intented).
if this is not enough proof for those disbelievers out there. both times i got my blood work done and test level checked.
after the clomid (1 1/2 months after test was completed) my test levels had barely got back over the minimum baseline level. im a doctor ( i specialize in addiction treatment and treat many patients on methadone, which is administered to help people treat their herion or pain killer (opiate) addiction) so i have seen a wide range of test. levels due to opiates having a negative effect on natural test.production. mine was equivelant to a 70 year old man on herion!
got the levels checked again post nelson theory - they were mid range, right smack in the middle of the chart.
needless to say if my words dont convince you, maybe my bloodwork results will.
i would suggest to those of you debating the idea of trying this - do, you wont regret it.

This isn't a falme bro but.....if you are a MD-as in Medical DR- I suggest you go back to school and learn how to spell and also work on the grammar....it's atrocious.

Now to the topic on hand....Clomid has it's uses as does HCG, but in my opinion it is over used and abused as well as the use of anti estrogens...but that's another story.
 
frankie21 said:
" i got some hcg, or course but left out the clomid, and added avena sativa along with zinc, magnesium and tribulus. i only lost 4 pounds - water im sure. there was never a glitch in my sex drive. it stayed nice and high (no pun intented). "


I'd Like to try this to end my test/eq cycle..what were doses?
and where can i find avena sativa, tribulus( not to mention.. what the hell are they??)

F


DITO...Love to try it. Just tell me what to search on and I'll find it myself.
 
Search for the Beyond a Century website on MSN.com and look up avenia and tribulus on the BAC site ....very good descriptions there and excellent products also maca maca is good all three are basically herbal powders.
 
hey speller--besides the hcg where did you get the rest i believe those are all OTC products am i correct and i agree with you about clomid-------it was a fade thing i never liked it--hcg is the way
 
Yes, avena sativa, tribulus, zinc, and magnesium are all OTC. You can pick up good avena sativa at beyond-a-century.com.

I've also converted to using zinc and avena sativa post cycle instead of clomid. Clomid made me feel like absolute shit. I have no problem retaining my gains with this new stack either.
 
I didnt recover well at all after doing a deca/test cycle with clomid. Several months later many people on this board told me to do another clomid therapy and I did and felt a lot better but as soon as I stopped I was even worse off than before. Going on 8 months now of 0%libido.
 
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