Judge bans teaching intelligent design

[UA_Iron]

I attacked christians specifically because they are the ones trying to push their beliefs in the classroom. I didnt accuse you of being a christian either.

And you bring up a very valid point about an infinite number of possibilities existing for our presence here on earth. But still your reasoning is off.

thanks for the red by the way, Chesty.

 

[beefcake28]

I attacked christians specifically because they are the ones trying to push their beliefs in the classroom. I didnt accuse you of being a christian either.

And you bring up a very valid point about an infinite number of possibilities existing for our presence here on earth. But still your reasoning is off.

thanks for the red by the way, Chesty.

I'm a Christian, but I agree that religion does not belong in a scientific classroom in any form. Apply your own beliefs to what you learn (this applies to everyone), but keep it out of the classroom.

Not all of us are trying to push our beliefs on you. I will discuss it with someone at school if they bring it up, but not in a classroom...

 

[UA_Iron]

I'm a Christian, but I agree that religion does not belong in a scientific classroom in any form. Apply your own beliefs to what you learn (this applies to everyone), but keep it out of the classroom.

Not all of us are trying to push our beliefs on you. I will discuss it with someone at school if they bring it up, but not in a classroom...

well a more specific sect of christians, forgive me for grouping all of you into the same category.

This is the best response I have read on this thread though, thanks beefcake.

 

[Vicious cycle]

I'm a Christian, but I agree that religion does not belong in a scientific classroom in any form. Apply your own beliefs to what you learn (this applies to everyone), but keep it out of the classroom.

Not all of us are trying to push our beliefs on you. I will discuss it with someone at school if they bring it up, but not in a classroom...

well a more specific sect of christians, forgive me for grouping all of you into the same category.

This is the best response I have read on this thread though, thanks beefcake.

The voices of reason. K to you both.

 

[curling]

I'm a Christian, but I agree that religion does not belong in a scientific classroom in any form. Apply your own beliefs to what you learn (this applies to everyone), but keep it out of the classroom.

Not all of us are trying to push our beliefs on you. I will discuss it with someone at school if they bring it up, but not in a classroom...

Intelligent design is not religion. It is another theory one how things came about. Just like evolution. I say either present both methods are present none. The secular world is trying to brainwash future generation into believing evolution is how they got here. And that is simply wrong and irresponsible. You might not care that your soul burns in hell for eternity(if you are wrong) but how can you force that on innocent children is beyond belief.

Present both sides or neither is the only fair alternative.

As some other poster has said NOBODY knows what happens when you die so how can you be sooo sure that nothing happens?

 

[javaguru]

Intelligent design is not religion. It is another theory one how things came about. Just like evolution. I say either present both methods are present none. The secular world is trying to brainwash future generation into believing evolution is how they got here. And that is simply wrong and irresponsible. You might not care that your soul burns in hell for eternity(if you are wrong) but how can you force that on innocent children is beyond belief.

Present both sides or neither is the only fair alternative.

As some other poster has said NOBODY knows what happens when you die so how can you be sooo sure that nothing happens?

Ummm...it's a creationist opinion based on religion. Look at my earler posts to understand why intelligent design doesn't qualify as a theory; Reason, observation and repeatable experiments. You can teach your children to venerate mythology but I want mine to learn science. Take them to church if you want them to learn creationism or brainwash them at home; It doesn't belong in a science class. Original Christianity didn't teach a hell of fire and brimstone, it simply meant a seperation from God. If you would actually study your own religion then you would have known that. The catholic church invented the fire and brimstone belief. Well, I guess my comparative religions class in high school paid off.

Creationism(intelligent design) doesn't belong in a science class, it belongs in a religion class, because it ISN'T science.

 

[curling]

Ummm...it's a creationist opinion based on religion. Look at my earler posts to understand why intelligent design doesn't qualify as a theory; Reason, observation and repeatable experiments. You can teach your children to venerate mythology but I want mine to learn science. Take them to church if you want them to learn creationism or brainwash them at home; It doesn't belong in a science class. Original Christianity didn't teach a hell of fire and brimstone, it simply meant a seperation from God. If you would actually study your own religion then you would have known that. The catholic church invented the fire and brimstone belief. Well, I guess my comparative religions class in high school paid off.

I don't think you are correct on that Jesus himself talked about Hell more than He did Heaven.

Creationism(intelligent design) doesn't belong in a science class, it belongs in a religion class, because it ISN'T science.

Again, if you don't want to teach both alternatives take the bs evilution crap out of the classroom. They don't need to learn the devil's lies either.

Better yet, how about the govt gives its citizens vouchers and let the parents choose wear they send their kids to school. So you can send your kid to monkey high and I can my kid to a school that welcomes the creator into it.

What do you think?

 

[javaguru]

I don't think you are correct on that Jesus himself talked about Hell more than He did Heaven.



Again, if you don't want to teach both alternatives take the bs evilution crap out of the classroom. They don't need to learn the devil's lies either.

Better yet, how about the govt gives its citizens vouchers and let the parents choose wear they send their kids to school. So you can send your kid to monkey high and I can my kid to a school that welcomes the creator into it.

What do you think?

Your children spend more time around your household than they do at school. It's your job to raise them with your superstisions, not my tax dollars and the State. Even my friends who went to private religious schools had science and religion classes seperated. If you think science is a lie then don't take any of its benefits; Live without electricity, running water, transportation or purchased food because they are all "The Devil's lies."

 

[curling]

Your children spend more time around your household than they do at school. It's your job to raise them with your superstisions, not my tax dollars and the State. Even my friends who went to private religious schools had science and religion classes seperated. If you think science is a lie then don't take any of its benefits; Live without electricity, running water, transportation or purchased food because they are all "The Devil's lies."

Typical liberal. I am going to turn that right around you why should I spend my tax dollars teaching kids something that I believe is total bs?

And btw most christians have way higher standards that the stupid state supported school. I mean why not start the voucher system and give the state some competition?

 

[javaguru]

Typical liberal. I am going to turn that right around you why should I spend my tax dollars teaching kids something that I believe is total bs?

And btw most christians have way higher standards that the stupid state supported school. I mean why not start the voucher system and give the state some competition?

1. I'm not a liberal; I believe in reason over superstision.

2. We teach the children science not superstision in science class.

You have years before your child even goes to school to indoctrinate them with your beliefs and most of their time after they go to school. If that isn't enough then send them to a religious school on your own dime. I don't want my tax dollars teaching ignorance and superstision. If we did vouchers for Christian schools the govt would have to do it for EVERY religious school...that includes Satanist based education and one eyed spaghetti monster based religious education.

BTW, anyone else ever notice the chicks with the most religious parents were the most fun to party with? ie sluttiest

 

[curling]

1. I'm not a liberal; I believe in reason over superstision.

2. We teach the children science not superstision in science class.

You have years before your child even goes to school to indoctrinate them with your beliefs and most of their time after they go to school. If that isn't enough then send them to a religious school on your own dime. I don't want my tax dollars teaching ignorance and superstision. If we did vouchers for Christian schools the govt would have to do it for EVERY religious school...that includes Satanist based education and one eyed spaghetti monster based religious education.

BTW, anyone else ever notice the chicks with the most religious parents were the most fun to party with? ie sluttiest

That is your choice send your kid to the satan school if you want. But is that really what you want for your kids? Lets face it the govt is doing a terrible job educating our kids. Lets get some private competition before all the asian countries kick our ass.

 

[javaguru]

That is your choice send your kid to the satan school if you want. But is that really what you want for your kids? Lets face it the govt is doing a terrible job educating our kids. Lets get some private competition before all the asian countries kick our ass.

My point is how would you feel if your tax dollars were going to support a Satanist education? If your plan were put into effect then it would be the case; Seperation between church and state requires the Govt to treat all religions equally. As it stands, you can take the time to indoctrinate your children or pay a religious school to do it.

 

[curling]

My point is how would you feel if your tax dollars were going to support a Satanist education? If your plan were put into effect then it would be the case; Seperation between church and state requires the Govt to treat all religions equally. As it stands, you can take the time to indoctrinate your children or pay a religious school to do it.

That would be the satanist choice. I mean they are going to do that at home anyway so why not let them teach satanism at school to if they want. But what I am saying is that both me and the satanist are paying taxes off land we hold so why not let each of us choose where we send our kids to school. I mean it is OUR money afterall not the state. Remember WE ARE THE STATE.

 

[javaguru]

That would be the satanist choice. I mean they are going to do that at home anyway so why not let them teach satanism at school to if they want. But what I am saying is that both me and the satanist are paying taxes off land we hold so why not let each of us choose where we send our kids to school. I mean it is OUR money afterall not the state. Remember WE ARE THE STATE.

So why can't you indoctrinate your children at home? I took a comparative religion class in high school as an elective. Putting religion and science together is just WRONG for the many reasons I've pointed out. Dress your superstision up as much as you like it still doesn't conform to the principles of science. Science has benefitted me EVERY day of my life, religious beliefs have only wasted my time during my childhood as I was force fed BS. Luckily I have a strong mind and question everything, which meant my becoming a "non believer" was inevitable.

 

[curling]

So why can't you indoctrinate your children at home? I took a comparative religion class in high school as an elective. Putting religion and science together is just WRONG for the many reasons I've pointed out. Dress your superstision up as much as you like it still doesn't conform to the principles of science. Science has benefitted me EVERY day of my life, religious beliefs have only wasted my time during my childhood as I was force fed BS. Luckily I have a strong mind and question everything, which meant my becoming a "non believer" was inevitable.

But you are not a non-believer you believe in evolution. Right? And don't say that is science. Please show me how science can explain that this earth came from a giant explosion. It makes no logical sense. And you know it. You just don't want to believe in God because you don't want to be accountable for your actions. And I am sorry about your childhood. God does love you though. Maybe one day you will see that.

 

[bluepeter]

I don't think you are correct on that Jesus himself talked about Hell more than He did Heaven.



Again, if you don't want to teach both alternatives take the bs evilution crap out of the classroom. They don't need to learn the devil's lies either.

Better yet, how about the govt gives its citizens vouchers and let the parents choose wear they send their kids to school. So you can send your kid to monkey high and I can my kid to a school that welcomes the creator into it.

What do you think?

THEY ARE NOT ALTERNATIVES.

One is science, one is supposition. They are not equal. There is nothing wrong with teaching creationism.............IN A RELIGION CLASS. The whole point here is what is taught in SCIENCE CLASS. Creationism cannot be considered science by even the most fervent believer, so keep it out of science class. This isn't difficult to grasp.

 

[75th]

But you are not a non-believer you believe in evolution. Right? And don't say that is science. Please show me how science can explain that this earth came from a giant explosion. It makes no logical sense. And you know it. You just don't want to believe in God because you don't want to be accountable for your actions. And I am sorry about your childhood. God does love you though. Maybe one day you will see that.

LOL isnt it true that we can do as much bad shit as we want during life then get into "heaven" as long as we repent before death and accept God as our savior?

Talk about rediculous.

 

[75th]

THEY ARE NOT ALTERNATIVES.

One is science, one is supposition. They are not equal. There is nothing wrong with teaching creationism.............IN A RELIGION CLASS. The whole point here is what is taught in SCIENCE CLASS. Creationism cannot be considered science by even the most fervent believer, so keep it out of science class. This isn't difficult to grasp.

LOL curling speaks so much of faith yet he doesnt understand the very definition of the word.

 

[samoth]

LOL curling speaks so much of faith yet he doesnt understand the very definition of the word.

Arguing religion and semantics go hand in hand.

 

[sublime35]

The problem, I think, is that ya'll think they are teaching kids that we evolved from Apes as what they teach about Evolution. I just graduated last year and took Bio. 3 years ago. I remember very well what we were taught about Evo. and it was only Darwins findings about birds and the animals he observed through out his travels. Nothing about monkeys and humans, unless a student asked that. there was nothing about monkeys in our text books.

 

[samoth]

The problem, I think, is that ya'll think they are teaching kids that we evolved from Apes as what they teach about Evolution. I just graduated last year and took Bio. 3 years ago. I remember very well what we were taught about Evo. and it was only Darwins findings about birds and the animals he observed through out his travels. Nothing about monkeys and humans, unless a student asked that. there was nothing about monkeys in our text books.

Shhhhhh... let the stupid people argue, it's funny to watch.

 

[sublime35]

Shhhhhh... let the stupid people argue, it's funny to watch.

LOL yeah I just had to get my 2 cents in there.

 

[samoth]

LOL yeah I just had to get my 2 cents in there.

 

[javaguru]

But you are not a non-believer you believe in evolution. Right? And don't say that is science. Please show me how science can explain that this earth came from a giant explosion. It makes no logical sense. And you know it. You just don't want to believe in God because you don't want to be accountable for your actions. And I am sorry about your childhood. God does love you though. Maybe one day you will see that.

Maybe this will help you; I'll give you the definitions of faith and science.
faith ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fth)
n.
Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust.
Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
A set of principles or beliefs.

sci·ence ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sns)
n.

The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
Methodological activity, discipline, or study: I've got packing a suitcase down to a science.
An activity that appears to require study and method: the science of purchasing.
Knowledge, especially that gained through experience

Secondly, don't presume I had a bad childhood just because I was forced to do something I didn't want to do; It's a good life lesson for adulthood. Also, I resent the fact you imply I am immoral because I don't share your mythology. Everyone I know thinks VERY highly of me. They would describe me as a " very good person"; My ex-wife described me as, "The kindest person I've ever known." I'm a good person because of my own values not because of fear and the promise of a reward; Which, imo, makes me morally superior to someone who is motivated by fear and reward.

 

[Hiatussin]

In my elementary school this just wasn´t even an issue. The teacher just let us sort it out.

Everything religious or philosophical was in the "Some people believe that..." form and some kid would ask so who is right? and he´d say I don´t know. Maybe discuss it with your parents. Problem solved.

 

[javaguru]

In my elementary school this just wasn´t even an issue. The teacher just let us sort it out.

Everything religious or philosophical was in the "Some people believe that..." form and some kid would ask so who is right? and he´d say I don´t know. Maybe discuss it with your parents. Problem solved.

I don't remember a creation Vs. evolution argument ever coming up in a science class, they just taught the science. It's the Christians pushing their agenda, they want faith taught in science classes. They have a very well funded lobby.