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jon benet ramsey killer
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Re: jonbenet Ramsey killer
I hate to sound cynical - but it's a part of who I am - I find it interesting that after all the searching, investigating, yahda yahda - the guy is being investigated for a few months shortly after Mrs. Benet's death, is then held in Bangkok (allegedly for a "SEXCAPADE" - we talking Bangkok here people - people go there just for that) and then "confessed to certain elements of the crime that are unknown to the general public" just like that?
I still think the mother knew and was somehow involved.
I hate to sound cynical - but it's a part of who I am - I find it interesting that after all the searching, investigating, yahda yahda - the guy is being investigated for a few months shortly after Mrs. Benet's death, is then held in Bangkok (allegedly for a "SEXCAPADE" - we talking Bangkok here people - people go there just for that) and then "confessed to certain elements of the crime that are unknown to the general public" just like that?
I still think the mother knew and was somehow involved.
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Spartacus
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I was just reading an opinion the other day in which whoever said there is no way the parent's are guilty.
can't recall who it was
I read so much
can't recall who it was
I read so much
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jenscats5
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Re: jonbenet Ramsey killer
Hmmmmmm, interesting....
velvett said:
Hmmmmmm, interesting....
It is very tough for me to consider anyone outside that warped family as the murderer.
And the Mother always knows.
Hope she is enjoying the fire.
And the Mother always knows.
Hope she is enjoying the fire.
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I never considered it an event in the beginningHumanTarget said:
vansmack2000
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man this thing is still going on, i was in Boulder when it all started. They just had a news conf w/ the family attorney, he said the person in question is just a suspect right now, details are so little no one really knows whats going on.
The man they arrested is John Mark Karr, he is a long time sex offender.
By me when local child went missing (she walked home from her brother's sports event and mommie wasn't paying attention to where her daughter was) a man that lives near the school that people all thought was the creepy pervert living with his mother was the first person questioned by police and left in custody while local people, off duty police and firemen walked the streets, searched all the farms, remote buildings for this little girl, everyone pointed fingers at who they figured did something to her. Yet, after hours of searching the little girl had been sleeping in her bed the whole time - who found her? Her brother who was the only person to have had sense to look for in the most obvious place.
By me when local child went missing (she walked home from her brother's sports event and mommie wasn't paying attention to where her daughter was) a man that lives near the school that people all thought was the creepy pervert living with his mother was the first person questioned by police and left in custody while local people, off duty police and firemen walked the streets, searched all the farms, remote buildings for this little girl, everyone pointed fingers at who they figured did something to her. Yet, after hours of searching the little girl had been sleeping in her bed the whole time - who found her? Her brother who was the only person to have had sense to look for in the most obvious place.
Arabian said:
similar, but not her handwriting. it either is hers, or it isn't. and it wasn't.
the ransom- i don't know yet. maybe the guy knew the amount. maybe he was a sick stalker (obviously, if he killed a child, he was sick) and somehow found out. maybe he went through their trash, looking for things of jon benet. who knows.
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I spent some time this saturday dealing with this
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he hit a car that pulled out in front of himPICK3 said:
their thunderbird was cut in half
in the thunderbird were 2 grandparents and 2 grandkids
grandmom died along with 13 year old boy
I got grandma and later the boy
Some more dirt.
John Karr and the Karr Family AND the Ramsey's have ties to Georgia (Wilkes County) and Colorado.
John Karr had been emailing Patsy Ramsey with provocative and taunting details of the crime. (WTF?)
John Karr - did admit to the crime and there is matching DNA
If you read the comment of the people involved in the investigation BPD, Dr. Lee and Demuth - they all have a tie in to suggest that any secrets Mrs. Ramsey had went to her grave.
I still say she knew all along and lied or was involved directly or by accident or some other connection to her and husband - these people knew who murdered their daughter - it was personal.
IMHO
John Karr and the Karr Family AND the Ramsey's have ties to Georgia (Wilkes County) and Colorado.
John Karr had been emailing Patsy Ramsey with provocative and taunting details of the crime. (WTF?)
John Karr - did admit to the crime and there is matching DNA
If you read the comment of the people involved in the investigation BPD, Dr. Lee and Demuth - they all have a tie in to suggest that any secrets Mrs. Ramsey had went to her grave.
I still say she knew all along and lied or was involved directly or by accident or some other connection to her and husband - these people knew who murdered their daughter - it was personal.
IMHO
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HumanTarget said:
I realized that later this afternoon & its been bugging me ever since. Apparently not enough tho, to edit my post.
They are interviewing a guy who wrote a book called "Who Killed Jon Benet" or something like that on AM radio - Coast to Coast Am. I know its all the tabloid story, etc. but the shit that poor girl went thru is just horrifying me to the point that I had to get up & walk around the house a few times. Just makes me sick the fuckers that are alive in this world.
Trojan Horse
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bran987 said:
There are no statute of limitations on murder.
Re: jonbenet Ramsey killer
I did not say the parent's physically killed her - what I said is that the mother knew about it either before, during, after or throughout (impossible to say which) and that the Ramsey and Karr families are no strangers to each other.
That's what I get from the whole thing.
On a personal note: The mother prostituted her child the very same way her mother may have prostituted her. My college roommate and her 3 sisters were all pageant girls and there's nothing normal nor wholesome about parading a child around like a dolled up horse for purchase.
HumanTarget said:
I did not say the parent's physically killed her - what I said is that the mother knew about it either before, during, after or throughout (impossible to say which) and that the Ramsey and Karr families are no strangers to each other.
That's what I get from the whole thing.
On a personal note: The mother prostituted her child the very same way her mother may have prostituted her. My college roommate and her 3 sisters were all pageant girls and there's nothing normal nor wholesome about parading a child around like a dolled up horse for purchase.
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stilleto said:
Holy shit! If that guy did it, then lots of people owe the parents a BIG apology! They have been villianized in the press for years now. Remember Geraldo basically calling for their heads on a platter? Geraldo is such a giant dumb ass.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/jonbenet_ramsey
From the news story.
"Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in California that she was with her former husband in Alabama at the time of JonBenet's killing and she does not believe her former husband was involved in the homicide.
She said her ex-husband spent a lot of time studying the cases of Ramsey and Polly Klaas, who was abducted from her Petaluma, Calif., home and slain in 1993."
From the news story.
"Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in California that she was with her former husband in Alabama at the time of JonBenet's killing and she does not believe her former husband was involved in the homicide.
She said her ex-husband spent a lot of time studying the cases of Ramsey and Polly Klaas, who was abducted from her Petaluma, Calif., home and slain in 1993."
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heatherrae
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Lots of murderers follow the stories of their own victims. Of course he didn't kill Klaas, but maybe he gets his jollies reading about a little girl getting killed. On the other hand, the ex-wife doesn't seem to have any motive to lie.big4life said:
Phenom78
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They suppsoedly have DNA evidence from the child so if it matches case closed.
The disturbing part is that the doctors who examined her are convinced that she had a history of sexual abuse which predated her death considerably. That may also be what caused the authorities to question her family as suspects, since someone was certainly abusing this child.
The disturbing part is that the doctors who examined her are convinced that she had a history of sexual abuse which predated her death considerably. That may also be what caused the authorities to question her family as suspects, since someone was certainly abusing this child.
gotmilk
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HeatherRae said:
Maybe not. If people remember, the Ramseys were caught lying about holding swinger parties in the past. It was rumored they were into some kind of sick sex thing with their kids.
This Karr guy is a perve who likes little kids and was rumored to have attended some of the Ramsey's "parties" back in Georgia.
Either way...all parties involved are mentally missing a few marbles.
It will all come out in trial. What does this guy have to lose now? If either of the parents had anything to do with the murder I am sure he will say it. If he was in any way associated with the parents I am sure he will say it.
I agree with Vel on the pagent bullshit. I had my daughter in one pagent and when I witnessed what those little girls go thru I found it quite disgusting. I am talking bridges if they are missing a baby tooth, plucking eyebrows, more makeup than you find at the mac counter and other countless bullshit.
I agree with Vel on the pagent bullshit. I had my daughter in one pagent and when I witnessed what those little girls go thru I found it quite disgusting. I am talking bridges if they are missing a baby tooth, plucking eyebrows, more makeup than you find at the mac counter and other countless bullshit.
eat big
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I can't believe people still fucking care about this. So the FBI can find Ramsey's killer but they can't find a 6'5" terrorist living in a cave? Shit, they found the man in Thailand on the other side of the world 10 years later. How come we can't fin Bin Laden? Does the government/Bush even want to find him? The British Government is doing better than the US as far as counter-terrorism is concerned.
Plus, any parents who put their child through beauty pageants deserve to get some flak. Obviously not nearly as much as they did. Beauty pageants teach young kids to be fake and it sets them up for a life of disappointment.
Plus, any parents who put their child through beauty pageants deserve to get some flak. Obviously not nearly as much as they did. Beauty pageants teach young kids to be fake and it sets them up for a life of disappointment.
HumanTarget said:
I feel sorry for the parents.I think they should sue the crap out of everybody that accused them. I mean they had the most to lose with her death why they went after them so hard makes no sense to me. I mean people kill their babies everyday legally why would they hassle them so much?
Phenom78
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curling said:
Besides the rest
I think it was the fact that medical authorities found evidence of long term sexual abuse, and the documented "swinger sex capades " of the parents. I think there is a well founded suspicion that they were involved in the abuse. Certainly even if this individual did kill her, or another like him, a different party was involved in abusing the child.
the sexual abuse was hard to confirm because of:stilleto said:
1) the fucking ME didn't look for it.
2) JB had a history of UTI"S or some similar infections which can resemble the damage to penetration.
i know my sleaze. and i know lots of sleazy people. no one can keep a secret, they always feel the need to "confess"....
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Spartacus
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when I was a kid I had to abuse myself
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heatherrae
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hmmmm....it really is a mysterious case. Lots of things point to the parents or at least someone very close to the girl and the home. On the other hand, the manner of death, etc points to someone other than the parents. Then, this guy confesses but his family says he was with them. You think they just don't want to believe it could be true so they are trying to convince themselves it isn't true? hmmmm. I just don't know. I would like to see the case solved not only to vindicate her death and for her family's sake, but because unsolved mysteries drive me crazy.
Testosterone boy
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I have went so far as to guarantee that Mr Ramsey was innocent. I know these things.
test boy ii said:
i do too.
if she had gotten out of bed and killed her daughter, she wouldn't have taken the time to write a LONG note, knowing it might be obvious that she wrote it, and then slip back into bed and just fall asleep.
She'd have to wonder if he husband noticed her missing. and if he had, he would have SURELY told the police, who were questioning and accusing them both, separately.
They weren't in it together. They were too smart to think that leaving a note, in such a silly place, would be a good idea, and asking for exactly the amount of his bonus.
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test boy 2.0
why isn't him on a payroll somewhere?
why isn't him on a payroll somewhere?
Just an observation. (someone correct me if my reading comprehension has gone to shit)
Karr claims to have drugged her - the tox report showed none were found
He also claims he picked her up at school - that's also inaccurate.
Also if you read the several analysis reports of the randsom note the overall result was that it was Patsy Ramsey's handwriting with the exception of one that has a dead link and these two that say:
It's rather interesting how our own words can give us away.
Check it out
http://www.acandyrose.com/12251996ransomnote.htm
Regardless of what the outcome - it's a sad situation for the child that is no longer with us.
Karr claims to have drugged her - the tox report showed none were found
He also claims he picked her up at school - that's also inaccurate.
Also if you read the several analysis reports of the randsom note the overall result was that it was Patsy Ramsey's handwriting with the exception of one that has a dead link and these two that say:
It's rather interesting how our own words can give us away.
Check it out
http://www.acandyrose.com/12251996ransomnote.htm
Regardless of what the outcome - it's a sad situation for the child that is no longer with us.
fistfullofsteel
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Psychic's 1998 vision comes to life http://www.nj.com/hp/135/0819_sketch.jpg
BY BRAD PARKS
Star-Ledger Staff
When Nutley psychic Dorothy Allison was called to work with a sketch artist and create a portrait of the man she envisioned as murdering child beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey, it was easy enough to dismiss it as one more stunt in a case that had already become circus-like.
Then Thai authorities arrested John Mark Karr, the schoolteacher who has confessed to accidentally killing JonBenet.
And, well, look at that.
"She was almost always right," said Bobby Allison, Dorothy's widower, who still lives in Nutley. "It doesn't surprise me at all."
Dorothy, who died in 1999 at 74, had the vision in 1998, two years into an investigation that had already gone stale except for the ever-fresh stream of tabloid headlines it created.
She was invited to help by Lou Smit, who had been hired by the local prosecutor's office to investigate the Ramsey case. Smit, who eventually resigned from the prosecutor's office to follow the case on his own, was outspoken that JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy, were not responsible. He knew Dorothy Allison from a previous case in Colorado.
The sketch her vision helped create speaks for itself. About the only thing she got wrong was Karr's hair, which is parted to the side in her sketch but swept back in real life.
"Nobody ever wanted to believe Dorothy at first," Bobby Allison said. "After a while, she gave up trying to convince them. But usually with ones who believe her the least, they're the ones who believe her the most in the end."
Over the years, the Nutley housewife used her gifts to assist on thousands of cases with law enforcement in New Jersey and elsewhere. She also worked with the FBI, Secret Service, Royal Mounted Police in Canada and authorities in Mexico, Switzerland, Ireland, France and England.
She claimed to have helped find more than 250 bodies and led police in the right direction in the Patty Hearst kidnapping, the Son of Sam murders, and John Wayne Gacy's serial killings.
She won numerous commendations and awards, gaining many loyal believers in law enforcement, who asked for her repeatedly. She never charged for her services and only asked she be reimbursed for expenses.
"She just loved doing it," Bobby Allison said. "She had quite a run."
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-8/1155875348226840.xml&coll=1
BY BRAD PARKS
Star-Ledger Staff
When Nutley psychic Dorothy Allison was called to work with a sketch artist and create a portrait of the man she envisioned as murdering child beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey, it was easy enough to dismiss it as one more stunt in a case that had already become circus-like.
Then Thai authorities arrested John Mark Karr, the schoolteacher who has confessed to accidentally killing JonBenet.
And, well, look at that.
"She was almost always right," said Bobby Allison, Dorothy's widower, who still lives in Nutley. "It doesn't surprise me at all."
Dorothy, who died in 1999 at 74, had the vision in 1998, two years into an investigation that had already gone stale except for the ever-fresh stream of tabloid headlines it created.
She was invited to help by Lou Smit, who had been hired by the local prosecutor's office to investigate the Ramsey case. Smit, who eventually resigned from the prosecutor's office to follow the case on his own, was outspoken that JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy, were not responsible. He knew Dorothy Allison from a previous case in Colorado.
The sketch her vision helped create speaks for itself. About the only thing she got wrong was Karr's hair, which is parted to the side in her sketch but swept back in real life.
"Nobody ever wanted to believe Dorothy at first," Bobby Allison said. "After a while, she gave up trying to convince them. But usually with ones who believe her the least, they're the ones who believe her the most in the end."
Over the years, the Nutley housewife used her gifts to assist on thousands of cases with law enforcement in New Jersey and elsewhere. She also worked with the FBI, Secret Service, Royal Mounted Police in Canada and authorities in Mexico, Switzerland, Ireland, France and England.
She claimed to have helped find more than 250 bodies and led police in the right direction in the Patty Hearst kidnapping, the Son of Sam murders, and John Wayne Gacy's serial killings.
She won numerous commendations and awards, gaining many loyal believers in law enforcement, who asked for her repeatedly. She never charged for her services and only asked she be reimbursed for expenses.
"She just loved doing it," Bobby Allison said. "She had quite a run."
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-8/1155875348226840.xml&coll=1
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wtf
mkazzbmf
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Dude just screams child molester by the look of him....I have always thought that the parents werent involved....Imagine those two.....Their little girl ends up dead and they have to defend themselves from the shit head police when they should beusing their time and money to find the killer. In my opinion when he gets convicted and this is all over the parents should sue the fuck out of the tabloids and the police for letting that piece of shit roam free for so many years and continue to molest kids.
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