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itlnstln

itlnstln

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I just started taking Glucosamine (2000mg/day) for severe joint pain (usually not a big deal, but I'm on 100mg/ed of Winny and that is making matters MUCH worse).

What other thngs can i do for my joints (No Deca)

Also - could I drop the winny and switch back to DBOL for a while?
My joints felt GREAT on Dbol and I didn't gain that much water at all (thanks Liquidex)

AG-Guys has top notch sh^t

Oh, current cycle
week 1 - 4 Dbol 40mg/day
week 1 - current Sus 500mg/week
week 1 - current EQ 600mg/week
week 7 - current Winny 100mg/day

HGH 2iu/day -7 days/week
 
southpaw45 said:
Eq is great for joints, I wonder what the deal is?
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EQ is not so great for joints,for long term repair,use Knox gellatin,(or jello) pour a pack in with your shake, i have 2 servings daily.




RADAR
 
RADAR said:
EQ is not so great for joints,for long term repair,use Knox gellatin,(or jello) pour a pack in with your shake, i have 2 servings daily.




RADAR
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How long does that take to kick in bro
 
Actually Eq is good for your joints:

http://www.medscape.com/...warticle/403338

It outlines a study that was carried out on the synthesis of collagen when using Var.

There are other studies online for that tested the effectiveness of AASs on collagen synthesis. Here['s a breakdown of some of them.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen synthesis.

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% - less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% - better than deca.
 
galaxy said:
Actually Eq is good for your joints:

http://www.medscape.com/...warticle/403338

It outlines a study that was carried out on the synthesis of collagen when using Var.

There are other studies online for that tested the effectiveness of AASs on collagen synthesis. Here['s a breakdown of some of them.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen synthesis.

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% - less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% - better than deca.
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Then I am to assume it's the 100mg/day of winny.................
I'm switching my oral to Dbol
 
Fuck it. If Ret can do 150mgs for a year i think you can handle stretching your dbol out a lil longer.lol

Just keep water intake up and take you milk thistle.
 
galaxy said:
Fuck it. If Ret can do 150mgs for a year i think you can handle stretching your dbol out a lil longer.lol

Just keep water intake up and take you milk thistle.
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I took the Dbol for about 4 weeks at the beginning of the cycle - then no oral for about 3 weeks, then started the Winny.

I am still looking to cut - but the Dbol just makes all my joints feel better, - and I don't blow up like a balloon either.
 
I actually felt dbol removed visceral fat around my mid section. And just keep that liquidex going and your good to go. No reason you cant cut on those drugs as long as bloat is kept in check.
 
galaxy said:
I actually felt dbol removed visceral fat around my mid section. And just keep that liquidex going and your good to go. No reason you cant cut on those drugs as long as bloat is kept in check.
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It's funny - DBol (noted for it's bloat) is such an incredable AAS. I always take .5mg of Adex/day and I get no serious bloat at all.

I have to admit it though - I LOVE Dbol:coffee:
 
studies mean nothing..........i go by what works not whats on paper.
too many variables there, on mice? dogs?length of time and the age factor.
whatever,

besides i'm talking long term prevention, not just a few months.

RADAR
 
RADAR said:
studies mean nothing..........i go by what works not whats on paper.
too many variables there, on mice? dogs?length of time and the age factor.
whatever,



RADAR
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You mean the guys that SWEAR you can't take orals for longer than 4 weeks?
 
Ret has taken orals for 3 time that length ,so have i a few yrs ago with no problems, just take the necessary precautions.

i do not recomend this to a newbie.

i was referring to the studies on joints

RADAR
 
RADAR said:
Ret has taken orals for 3 time that length ,so have i a few yrs ago with no problems, just take the necessary precautions.

i do not recomend this to a newbie.RADAR
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I agree this should NOT be practiced by newbies, but if I'm using DBol with my EQ/SUS, and I'm continuing to make solid gains - well, then............I'm staying on.

I take care of my body and monitor everything,..........................

Remember how poular DBol was in the 70's?
 
galaxy said:
I actually felt dbol removed visceral fat around my mid section. And just keep that liquidex going and your good to go. No reason you cant cut on those drugs as long as bloat is kept in check.
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I can agree on that!


RADAR
 
itlnstln said:
I agree this should NOT be practiced by newbies, but if I'm using DBol with my EQ/SUS, and I'm continuing to make solid gains - well, then............I'm staying on.

I take care of my body and monitor everything,..........................

Remember how poular DBol was in the 70's?
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Yep! everyone gulped it down like m&m's ..lol!


that was my morning start Dbol & coffee! ;)

RADAR
 
RADAR said:
they do not list ingredients,so i can"t comment ,abit pricy for long term maintainence, go with the link i posted up, long term use of gellatin ,when you get older you will thank your joints for taking it.

I currently have none.....after using it for 5 yrs, plus its a good cheap treat!




RADAR
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I'll try that - thanks Radar
 
itlnstln said:
I'll try that - thanks Radar
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suck it up..its part of gettin old...lol...i almost cry doing any kind of benching..and only with dumbells,,,


msm worked well but it does take time to kick in...
 
neverenuf said:
suck it up..its part of gettin old...lol...i almost cry doing any kind of benching..and only with dumbells,,,


msm worked well but it does take time to kick in...
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I've heard that too many times , it not necessary, the other day i had 405 loaded on the squat rack ,a 25yr old asks "are you gonna do that?" "yes i replied"
" Man! that makes me hurt looking at it"
take care of yourself ,train wise and you will be better off in the long run.


RADAR
 
RADAR said:
I've heard that too many times , it not necessary, the other day i had 405 loaded on the squat rack ,a 25yr old asks "are you gonna do that?" "yes i replied"
" Man! that makes me hurt looking at it"
take care of yourself ,train wise and you will be better off in the long run.


RADAR
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no doubt Radar.....was just being a wise ass...as usual...
 
itlnstln said:
I agree this should NOT be practiced by newbies, but if I'm using DBol with my EQ/SUS, and I'm continuing to make solid gains - well, then............I'm staying on.

I take care of my body and monitor everything,..........................

Remember how poular DBol was in the 70's?
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Bro,
Perhaps d-bol with an anti-a like liquidex makes it that much more magical. If you dont blow up like a balloon and keep estrogen levels down (but not too low), perhaps the effects of d-bol are a lot better (much less estrogen side effects). So, d-bol's bad rap is more from it's high conversion to estrogen without the use of an anti-a.
 
italnstln - by the way, about the glucosamine.... it's not going to be an instant fix... in fact, most report any type of relief after taking it daily for 3+ months.... I'm about 1 month into taking glucosamine.... I also take krill oil capsules, and cetyl myristolate (EFA)... I'll be able to give a better assessment of whether or not this is working for the joints in a few months.... I would try the jello too (thanks Radar!)
 
Eq actually produces more collagen than deca. The reason Radar says it's not good on your joints is because actual collagen formation and joint repair takes a very long time. It's not something you'd notice half-way through your cycle. Deca is not better for your joints than eq, but it does have and anti-imflammatory effect by activating progesterone receptors (basically just masking the pain). Fact is, if you want joint repair from gear that does it, you have to be patient and wait a long time. And the fact that he is stacking it with 500mg of sust completely nullifies deca's ability to form collagen; in fact, his collagen formation is worse than if he weren't on gear at all. I've posted lots of information on this in the past.
 
There are some good bro's on this thread. I am running orals or 17 aa for 4 in the beggining and six at the end i take 4 weeks off in between

i am on 50 mgs winny ed i am feeling no joint pain yet. only in first week ( of winny )tho...
 
I agree with the statement about cutting while on orals
I run Anadrol or Dbol all the way up to my shows. I feel they really help me maintain fullness, hardness and really help fuel serious training intensity in the last few difficult weeks of contest prep. its all about estrogen control
 
RADAR said:
Yep! everyone gulped it down like m&m's ..lol!


that was my morning start Dbol & coffee! ;)

RADAR
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So there always be a special place in your heart for those little tabs?
:heart:
 
The thing that hurts my joints most seems to be overdoing it on the anti-e's. I get stiff right away from that, generally. This latest Femara stint is a little too soon to tell, though- we'll see...
Adequan seems like a wonder drug for the joints, but again I'm not too sure about that human aspect of it. :coffee:
 
Quiltie said:
The thing that hurts my joints most seems to be overdoing it on the anti-e's. I get stiff right away from that, generally. This latest Femara stint is a little too soon to tell, though- we'll see...
Adequan seems like a wonder drug for the joints, but again I'm not too sure about that human aspect of it. :coffee:
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I think I will be the Guinea-Pig for this one....................

I don't see anything in there that would kill me.
 
krishna said:
Eq actually produces more collagen than deca. The reason Radar says it's not good on your joints is because actual collagen formation and joint repair takes a very long time. It's not something you'd notice half-way through your cycle. Deca is not better for your joints than eq, but it does have and anti-imflammatory effect by activating progesterone receptors (basically just masking the pain). Fact is, if you want joint repair from gear that does it, you have to be patient and wait a long time. And the fact that he is stacking it with 500mg of sust completely nullifies deca's ability to form collagen; in fact, his collagen formation is worse than if he weren't on gear at all. I've posted lots of information on this in the past.
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that pretty much sums it up.
K Brother!

RADAR
 
RADAR said:
that pretty much sums it up.
K Brother!

RADAR
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Can I still have Dbols for breakfast?
 
victoria978 said:
Glucosmine with chondroitin and MSM. Need all 3 to be effective.
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true dat. I eat that shit like candy

I think healthy fats have positive benefits on the joints too.
 
i think this is the most educational thread i have read in a long time,, good to see everybody getting along :)
Ego Boner
 
ego boner said:
i think this is the most educational thread i have read in a long time,, good to see everybody getting along :)
Ego Boner
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I agree :)
 
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