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Nelson Montana said:
Very true Obi Wan.
Here's something I posted in the women's section when one of the girlies wanted to increase her test naturally.
What I would like to address is that people think that testosterone is the only thing, best thing etc. that will enhance muscle growth.
It isn't.
There was an interesting article in last month's Muscular Development, April 08 (the one with Evan Centopani on the cover) that had an interesting bit of older research in it.
The whole article was about time under tension being necessary for muscle hypertrophy.
In the 70s some scientists used lab rats and removed the following endocrine glands, the thyroid, testicles, pituitary (growth hormone is secreted from here) or they didn't feed them, and then basically put the rat's rear legs under tension/simulated weight training.
They had postulated that muscle would not grow with out these hormones.
They found out they were wrong.
Now it is postulated that there are some other signalling pathways such as mTOR or MGF (mechano growth factor).
Oestrogen is also anabolic in women, and I would have to see if I can find it again, but there is some sort of connection between growth hormone and oestrogen.
Also the lads have found that when they use oestrogen inhibitors when they do a cycle, their gains are inhibited.
My point, while testosterone is anabolic, there are other things going on as well.
The endocrine system is really complicated, quite amazing really, and the exact mechanism of muscle hypertrophy is not known.
It may even be discovered that it is different in men than women.
It may just be twigging dietary and training factors, and some supps that will make the difference.
I would suggest you focus more on triggering natural growth hormone release, rather than trying to increase your testosterone levels.
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i read somewhere, hehe, that jay uses 8g test EW year round. that's a baseline, is what i read. not claiming to know anybody, just something i read in a discussion like this
goku_kakarot77
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jagerbombme said:
carth mentioned that Dorian yates once took as high as 8g test ew
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goku_kakarot77 said:
i believe it bro. i believe by the time it's all said and done these fuckn guys are at 30,000mg of shit ew
chazk said:
There was a bb in the late 70's early 80's who said he was shooting like 14 times a day I believe? Steve something? Was on one of those Discovery shows a few years back. Ended up in a pyscho ward for some reason or other. Mizchoiac or something like that?
If you figure in 2 shots of gh and insulin per day your already at 4 shots. Then add in synthol and theres another 4 shots for just arms. Now fill the barrell with some juice a couple times and you got another 2. So thats like 10 shots a day and thats not even close to being out of the realm.
Pretty crazy stuff
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galaxy said:
possibly igf/hcg too
Here it is:
Craig Titus's cycle for the USA-
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I used to manage Max Muscle a few years ago here in Vegas, the owner was good friends with Craig-I was sitting at work one day and received a fax from Craig(intended for my boss) that listed his entire diet and drug regime for the USA-I was only 19 then and almost shit my pants when I read this motherfucker-check it out-please don't critique or argue this cycle, I'm just typing what I read straight from Craig's notebook, I'm sure he didn't want just anyone to read it but here goes-
750 mgs of cyp per week all the way up to 3 weeks out
750 mgs of enanthate per week up to 3 weeks out
100 mgs of prop EOD and switched to 100 mgs of suspension ED for the last 6 weeks
50 mgs of deca ED (I don't understand this one)
1.5 cc's of Parabolin EOD
50 mgs of finaplex (DMSO) ED
100 mgs of EQ ED
8 Andriol ED
8 clenbuterol 2 days on 2 off
3 cc's of winstrol EVERYDAY(not a misprint)
40 mgs of nolvadex ED
4 IU's of Humatrope 5 days on 2 off, he only went up to 6 a day(his gut looked much better when he got his pro card versus now, it's mainly b/c of the GH)
Humulin N and R(long and short acting)-very serious shit, you have to time your eating or you're in BIG trouble-I talked to Craig a couple weeks ago and he now mixes R with Humalog b/c the Humalog by itself makes him sick
I don't recall the amount but he used quite a bit of cytadren
3-6 Cytomel ED
40 mgs of Halotestin ED
1 amp of Masteron EOD
This was all written on a calender and he sporatically threw in oddball shots like 200 mgs of deca here and there, sometimes an amp of sustenon or Heptylate(sp)-I don't understand why but he did look great-he took all his shots in the morning and all his orals at night, I might have left 1 or 2 things out but this will give you a good idea of what it took Craig to turn pro, kinda scary huh? If I remember anything else, I will list it
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Craig Titus's cycle for the USA-
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I used to manage Max Muscle a few years ago here in Vegas, the owner was good friends with Craig-I was sitting at work one day and received a fax from Craig(intended for my boss) that listed his entire diet and drug regime for the USA-I was only 19 then and almost shit my pants when I read this motherfucker-check it out-please don't critique or argue this cycle, I'm just typing what I read straight from Craig's notebook, I'm sure he didn't want just anyone to read it but here goes-
750 mgs of cyp per week all the way up to 3 weeks out
750 mgs of enanthate per week up to 3 weeks out
100 mgs of prop EOD and switched to 100 mgs of suspension ED for the last 6 weeks
50 mgs of deca ED (I don't understand this one)
1.5 cc's of Parabolin EOD
50 mgs of finaplex (DMSO) ED
100 mgs of EQ ED
8 Andriol ED
8 clenbuterol 2 days on 2 off
3 cc's of winstrol EVERYDAY(not a misprint)
40 mgs of nolvadex ED
4 IU's of Humatrope 5 days on 2 off, he only went up to 6 a day(his gut looked much better when he got his pro card versus now, it's mainly b/c of the GH)
Humulin N and R(long and short acting)-very serious shit, you have to time your eating or you're in BIG trouble-I talked to Craig a couple weeks ago and he now mixes R with Humalog b/c the Humalog by itself makes him sick
I don't recall the amount but he used quite a bit of cytadren
3-6 Cytomel ED
40 mgs of Halotestin ED
1 amp of Masteron EOD
This was all written on a calender and he sporatically threw in oddball shots like 200 mgs of deca here and there, sometimes an amp of sustenon or Heptylate(sp)-I don't understand why but he did look great-he took all his shots in the morning and all his orals at night, I might have left 1 or 2 things out but this will give you a good idea of what it took Craig to turn pro, kinda scary huh? If I remember anything else, I will list it
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Titus once said - in a post on another board - that he was on so much shit the 2 years prior to winning his pro card that if he were to take that much again, he would need an organ donor on speed dial.
And Chris Dickerson is a bitter little man with a bad hip who wears rags that you wouldn't wash your car with and hangs around two moon faced 50+ year old roid freaks with nothing but teeth and no gums in their mouth. Had the nerve to call me a roid monkey in the Alibi about six months ago.
And Chris Dickerson is a bitter little man with a bad hip who wears rags that you wouldn't wash your car with and hangs around two moon faced 50+ year old roid freaks with nothing but teeth and no gums in their mouth. Had the nerve to call me a roid monkey in the Alibi about six months ago.
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safe999 said:
THE only person who really knows the truth about this is JAY. anyone who says different is just posting rumors IMO.
damn thats a crazy cycle. I find it hard to believe the human body can really process all of those drugs without falling seriously ill or just ceasing to function. Either its true and like he said, if he did it again he'd likely almost die, or it isnt true. Who knows. ITs believable....
As for Jay... He really keeps his deal under wraps for the most part. I has said to my face that he doesnt use nearly as much as people think/accuse him of. It's obvious he relies heavily on carbohydrates and insulin to pack on that kind of size. (vials of humalog and humalin in the fridge with some GH).
Although it IS speculation, I believe that he either cruises on test, test/deca or MAYBE (slight chance)...nothing in the off season while relying on GH and slin, and then runs a whole shabang when getting ready for a contest.
who knows.... I cant wait for this generation of bodybuilders to retire and disclose the truth about their various strategies.
steroids aside, I really think the synergy between insulin and GH is whats causing 300lb muscular physiques...not so much the AAS. (although without them it probably wouldnt be possible).
As for Jay... He really keeps his deal under wraps for the most part. I has said to my face that he doesnt use nearly as much as people think/accuse him of. It's obvious he relies heavily on carbohydrates and insulin to pack on that kind of size. (vials of humalog and humalin in the fridge with some GH).
Although it IS speculation, I believe that he either cruises on test, test/deca or MAYBE (slight chance)...nothing in the off season while relying on GH and slin, and then runs a whole shabang when getting ready for a contest.
who knows.... I cant wait for this generation of bodybuilders to retire and disclose the truth about their various strategies.
steroids aside, I really think the synergy between insulin and GH is whats causing 300lb muscular physiques...not so much the AAS. (although without them it probably wouldnt be possible).
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AAP said:
You relize dickerson is pushing 70 years old. Who cares what he wears.
I doubt chris is a bitter little man. He always shows up at the mrO exposes with a smile on his face.
maybe dickerson was right you are a roid monkey . hell I am a roid monkey .
dickerson prob looks around at the expo's every year and thinks everyone is roid monkey. Dickerson is from a different day and time of bodybuilding.
Its nothing fancy. Look what that Japanese Pro BB was found to have in California when he was arrested. Test, tren, winny, and var with proviron and nolvadex for anti e's. Nothing fancy at all. Just stays on longer and has better genetics for the muscled drugged out look freakish look.
Jay probably does test and gh with some deca for joints in the off season. And Im willing to bet also his slin use is lower than you think. More is not better with slin and Chad Nichols even advocates lower doses. He probably does like 10ius slin. I bet guys on this board use more, thus there mistake.
Jay probably does test and gh with some deca for joints in the off season. And Im willing to bet also his slin use is lower than you think. More is not better with slin and Chad Nichols even advocates lower doses. He probably does like 10ius slin. I bet guys on this board use more, thus there mistake.
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jagerbombme said:
I will reluctantly state this. I work with the real person who designs "everything" for him on occassion.
No one is close. No, he does not use slin... anymore.
Their are people on this site that use more shit than he does.
That said I am not saying anything else. I was told everything I know in confidence.
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nzrodney said:
fuckn a. i don't really see the harm in cruising on 750 to 1g. i know a few guys who've been on that for 5 years. that's baseline. hehe. just keep your estro in check, keep eye on b/w, and bp. im not saying i'm gonna do it. i just do this for looking good in the summatime and the babes. hehe. cruising for me is 175mg ew test p. that's a healthy dose to keep your dick just itchin for some pussy and keep size and strength
slat1 said:
I too have information in confidence from jay himself. You may be right that he does not use slin anymore, but he sure used a lot of it in the past. He probably would not be 300lbs without it....
I have spoken with Milos Sarcev about Jay and Ronnie, and you are right again. BOTH of them dont use nearly as much as we suspect, and there are guys on these boards with 2,3, even 4 times the amount of crap running through them.
It really doesnt matter WHAT they use for the purposes of saying, "oh if jay uses this I will too and ill be like him." Well thats BS.
My interest in this topic is strategy. I am curious as to what they use but what, how much, why, for how long, with what else, how does each thing compliment your DIET AND TRAINING in such a way that you are able to manipulate your physique to world class levels.
genetics are one thing. They just determine what kind of STRATEGY one must take to manipulate their own physique... I dont think people should say well I can never look like that becuase I dont have genetics.... Well yes you do, just figure out how to use them.
hearing what successful guys like jay do is a little reassurance and a point of relative comparison. they have "been there, done that" so to speak.
I respect that the information you have is in confidence and you dont wish to share, however I have shared the information (other boards, other times) that I found out first hand about certain guys. I think keeping it under wraps does more harm than good. Peopel ASSUME jay uses 8 grams per week or whatever and becuase he is alive and is supposedly dong that then people think it will work for them too.
AAS and performance enhancers get a bad rap becuase of mis-use. if there werent so many damn politics involved here we could all just get a piece of mind
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u guys think slin really makes you that big? im pinnin 6 ius post workout for like 3 weeks now and i dont notice to much of a difference yet but im sure u gotta do it for months
I dont necessarily think slin by itself makes the world of a difference. I think that its NOT worth using unless with either a clean bulking diet and AAS, or the former listed and GH.
Slin and GH TOGETHER are capable of shuttling the entire amino acid spectrum into the muscle. Not one or the other.
me and a bro from anabolicminds.com both tested igf-1 with slin and found that the synergy experienced with slin and gh was not there.....
so if the STRATEGY of using slin is correct, the yes it is very powerful.. .otherwise I think you are just playing with fire..
Slin and GH TOGETHER are capable of shuttling the entire amino acid spectrum into the muscle. Not one or the other.
me and a bro from anabolicminds.com both tested igf-1 with slin and found that the synergy experienced with slin and gh was not there.....
so if the STRATEGY of using slin is correct, the yes it is very powerful.. .otherwise I think you are just playing with fire..
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pudzian2 said:
yeah ive been doin hgh for like 3 months now im up to 10ius a day and a load of juice 2 along with the slin
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pudzian2 said:
6-3 250lb bout 10 percent body fat maybe less not really sure....put it this way people stare at me like im some kind of freak everywhere i go lol
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freakin sweet bro . keep it upairsmith2k said:
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FunFun said:
lol now im goin to shoot 3 ccs in my ass now bro j/k yea i have a long way to go but im bigger then the average dude for sure lol....im 24yrs old and im the biggest guy in my gym
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FunFun said:
He is pretty thick and lean especially for his height bro
airsmith2k
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enacer420nj said:
thanks man lol ....yeah u dont see many guys my height throwin up 315 on the bench like its nothing
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pudzian2 said:
juice like crazy eat like an animal and train like an animal...im tryin to look like a pro bodybuilder
Galaxy said:
Steve Michalik was his name....Mr America and Mr Universe. He didn't go insane but had been on so long he had a very hard time getting his natural tes levels back. He went on a crusade after retiring about how bad steroids were. He was a crazy son of a bitch though. The stories of him and John Defendis training like animals were legendary. They were a couple of NY guys and Steve had a gym. I think it was called Mr America's Gym ?
I think sometimes guys lose sight of what it really takes to continue to make gains. I've talked to some Pro's as well and what jumps out at me isn't the amount but the duration. They laugh when you say your doing a 10 week cycle!! You don't have to be on forever but even a novice gear user should start with 12 week cycles and progress to 20 week 26 week cycles. The longer you can stay on the longer you can make and solidify gains. You get on 10 weeks and then dump everything and pretty soon your back to square one. I can't tell you how man guys have mentioned muscle memory. If you can continue to improve and get great gains while not ruining your health you can reach your full potential. 750 mg Tes and 400 mg EQ run for 26 weeks is a lot better than 1500 mg Tes and 800 mg EQ run for 10 weeks. Good pct after 26 weeks and get your levels back to normal.........do it again!!
mcluvin said:
I disagree with every sentence.
Galaxy said:
Those dosages and amount of gear almost made me shit my pants
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mcluvin said:
i make better gains being on longer for sure. well, they seem to stick with me moreso than short 10 weekers. of course, i'm never coming off again.
OMEGA said:
Great vid bro...I'm teaching my wife how to spot me when I'm benching :
Why would Craig fax that to someone? I'm not calling anyone out here but it seems odd. Whenever something is "hearsay" from a friend of a freind, I have to say there's always some holes in the story.
I interviewed Craig about 6 years back and obviously this guy had issues so who knows what to believe, but his approach to juicing and diet tended to be very uncomplicated. He admitted to taking more than he needed but he did it as a precaution that the little extra might be the disffernce between 1st and 2nd place. He also said he never planned meals and just made sure he ate enough protein and kept the calories where he wanted them. He even ate at McDonalds on occasion.
So...who knows?
I interviewed Craig about 6 years back and obviously this guy had issues so who knows what to believe, but his approach to juicing and diet tended to be very uncomplicated. He admitted to taking more than he needed but he did it as a precaution that the little extra might be the disffernce between 1st and 2nd place. He also said he never planned meals and just made sure he ate enough protein and kept the calories where he wanted them. He even ate at McDonalds on occasion.
So...who knows?
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airsmith2k said:
I'm 6'3" 254... I wish I looked good still! LOL
I just started picking up the dumbells again after a car accident. My waist got wide and the rest of me got small
I am working out at a new gym. A few guys said I looked big. I just said thanks. I can't wait to be in shape again... then I will think about hopping on.
Right now I could look at an amp of test and beat off like I was looking at Pam Anderson!!! I miss it!
I miss the days of being shredded and vascular and having everyone freak out.
Keep kicking ass bro. Post some pictures too. It would motivate all of us!!
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pudzian2 said:
i eat clean i eat like every 2 hours it almost non stop im hungry 24/7....especially after i shoot the slin post workout its non stop hunger for like 3-4 hours....i mite chill out in a lil bit the 10ius of hgh are swelling my hands up so bad its really start to irritate me....even my joints hurt like hell....im doin bout a gram of test a week 600mgs of eq and i just threw in tren enathate...i weighed myself today at the gym and im at 254...im pretty lean i can see abs and the hgh definitely thinned my skin out like crazy...im definitely holdin a lil bloat in my gut prolly from the hgh....i used to have really thick skin....i was never a fat guy but never a guy with veins poppin out all over....the veins are finally startin to come in a lil bit
Anybody ever see Andres Munzer's supposed cycles? And if thats from the 90's pictures what they would be now. Pretty scary.
Titus was pretty personable and would have been a good representive for bb had it not been for all the extracurricular stuff. Fuck, Coleman can barely talk.
Titus was pretty personable and would have been a good representive for bb had it not been for all the extracurricular stuff. Fuck, Coleman can barely talk.
Nelson Montana said:
Dave Palumbo....AAS cycles should be run a minimal 16 weeks to make gains that stick.
Gavin Kane....Novice gear users 12 weeks and anyone with more than 3 cycles under their belt should be running 20 week cycles not including PCT.
Dave Pulcinella (RTB 1 & 2) I run 26 week cycles and then take 26 weeks off. This includes being off EVERYTHING (HGH).
In the ANABOLIC reference guide the pro cycles are 39 weeks leading up to a show.
I'm just saying that when I started following this sort of protocol I broke through sticking points and size gains I never achieved before. At 46 years of age I've never been able to get to 267 in the off season. The highest I EVER got on gear was 244 and I'm starting in a week for a 26 week run at 267. At 46 years of age I shouldn't be making these kind of gains. Maybe I'm way off base but I'll never go back to 10 week cycles.
And these guys that run 10 weeks and bridge with 300mg Tes for 4 weeks and run another 10 weeker. Sorry but that's a 24 week cycle. Just my 02 cents worth.
my question is as to the recovery? i mean yea you make great gains that solidify being on longer but wouldnt you think its just bad rebound? loosing size, strength, motivation, and knowing that its only healthy to wait another 26 weeks to go back on?
what about IMO the absolute worst side effect of steroid use-lipid shifts..... being on that long cannot be favorable for lipids
what about IMO the absolute worst side effect of steroid use-lipid shifts..... being on that long cannot be favorable for lipids
pudzian2 said:
Longest I've run so far is 20 and this year will be a 26 week cycle. For the 20 I just ran 25mg Nolvadex 5-6 weeks ED with typical HCG the first couple weeks off. Didn't tapper or anything with AAS and I recovered like a champ. I'm 46 so I'm very pleased with the outcome. I can't tell you what will happen to anyone else, we're all different. There are guys that get Gyno and their nuts shrink up just looking at a bottle of Dbol. They're probably better suited for shorter ones but I can only speek for myself.
It might help that I don't use orals?
pudzian2 said:
That mainly comes from oral steroid use. Orals need to be limited to 6 weeks tops and at least another 6 weeks off.
Ive run high doses of test with some eq for months at a time and was able to improve lipid profile.
Seen as I started some var they started going right back into the toilet.
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pudzian2 said:
yeah i thought i was big till i saw his pic lol
Craig Titus Off Gear...
http://www.freecraigtitus.com/craigcout.gif
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Mar-31-Fri-2006/photos/titus.jpg
Pretty much proves the point that its not amazing muscle building genetics that lets bodybuilders look the way they do - its amazingly huge amounts of gear.
Im not saying genetics dont play a role - obviously bone structure and muscle insertion is a big part of aesthetics.
But pretty much anyone can become super huge and ripped with enough gear, training and diet.
http://www.freecraigtitus.com/craigcout.gif
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Mar-31-Fri-2006/photos/titus.jpg
Pretty much proves the point that its not amazing muscle building genetics that lets bodybuilders look the way they do - its amazingly huge amounts of gear.
Im not saying genetics dont play a role - obviously bone structure and muscle insertion is a big part of aesthetics.
But pretty much anyone can become super huge and ripped with enough gear, training and diet.
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KD1 said:
Those pics prove nothing. Craig was in lock down for years and alot of the time in solitary . Can craig throw bodybuilder style locked up . Can craig eat 6-7 times a day ?
Fuck the stress of a person being on trial for murder is enough to make anyman shrivel up bouncing around from court to court hearing at the time the pics were taken
Sure craig is off all gear in those pics. I bet if he was out of jail lifting and eating correct his genetics are pretty damn soild and he would ballon back up even off the juice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGNic-rv2pc
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GUARDIAN said:
the guy hasnt lifted juiced or even eat rite and hes still lean and vascular and ur rite he prolly looks better then most on this site when he takes his shirt off....if that guy ever got outta jail and started trainin again he would be a mass monster in no time
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KD1 said:
the guy was a pro bodybuilder at one time how would "he lose that bet"
When craig was in jail the FIRST time, he still trained and looked pretty good.
Genetics are about your ability to respond to training, not just being sedentary and looking amazing.
Genetics are about your ability to respond to training, not just being sedentary and looking amazing.
Nelson Montana said:
I occasionally train in Georgia on business. This particular gym is not in the greatest area of town, has a lot of members who are fresh out of prison, or had a history of being incarcerated.
Let me tell you that all the guys who served time looked pretty amazing for being gear free. There wasnt a bench with less than 3 plates on each side.
I am saying that Craig would look pretty much like these bros if he had been training in prison - no better. I stand by that.
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In all honesty I have never really liked the freakish looks of today's bodybuilders or even those back 10-15 years ago. People are way too big and freaky with veins popping out in areas the layman did not know existed.
I much prefer the slightly smaller, more genuine look
I much prefer the slightly smaller, more genuine look
I think what alot of peeps dont realize about Jay is that the dude is unbeleivably OCD when it comes to BBing(and basically everything else)
Steroids dont eat 10-12 meals a day for you, lift weights in the gym for you, wake up @ 1 am to do a third hour of cardio for you etc..
if 95% of the guys on this board had Jay's discipline and didnt even touch gear they would probably look better than they do on the shit.
Steroids dont eat 10-12 meals a day for you, lift weights in the gym for you, wake up @ 1 am to do a third hour of cardio for you etc..
if 95% of the guys on this board had Jay's discipline and didnt even touch gear they would probably look better than they do on the shit.
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seriously since he was 18 he searched for jobs that allowed him to eat whenever he would i bet hedoesnt go out partying hell he didnt even go out at his 21st birthday his job has always been BBing even before he made any money out of it . Either you like him or you dont you have to admire his discipline
Greatercow said:
yes I agree. and that is what bodybuilding is about in my opinion.. thats why i idolize jay as my inspiration.. HOWEVER... we cannot sit here and say that he doesnt use steroids as he has admitted to it in his book and its quite obvious.. Thats why what HE uses would be so interesting. Hes not necessarily a genetic freak, hes just a disciplined hard working motivated Professional at what he does... which stands to reason that he relies less on steroids than do other pro's..... Thats what it would be interesting to discover what HE uses. IT would help shed some light on how far hard work, dedication, and time can get you...
i still dont doubt that hes been ON since 18.....
artificialaspirations
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that craig titus cycle is over 5 grams a week
Mac173
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So you use several g's a wk and obviously have no idea what you're doing.
no bro,i have enough knowledge but last year i have this issue after i have injected the stuff,very weird.
Mac173
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Well I'm not sure what would cuase those sensations, but maybe you should cut back a bit on the dosages. Maybe it has nothing to do w/ gear use though. Who knows.
WinnyPumps
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Cutler would be way bigger than 185lbs natural! Bad comparison
h.m
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Well.. I got something from a 100% sure source, not bodybuolding though.. This is a cycle sample for a strongmen, maybe in the top 20-30 of the world..
2000mg Test /week
500-1000mg Tren /week
100mg Tbol /day
the popular drugs are test, tren, deca, dbol, anadrol, and tbol.
and ofc, they never get off..
A last note I got was: ''It's not unusal to use 6+ drugs at at time for both bodybuilders and strongmen, but you have to take your health into consideration too you know!''
2000mg Test /week
500-1000mg Tren /week
100mg Tbol /day
the popular drugs are test, tren, deca, dbol, anadrol, and tbol.
and ofc, they never get off..
A last note I got was: ''It's not unusal to use 6+ drugs at at time for both bodybuilders and strongmen, but you have to take your health into consideration too you know!''
Lee priest never took more than 1250 mls a week + some gh
Dave Palumbo said most pros dont take more than 2500mls a week, any more than that is a waste
There is no need to take more than that if you train to complete muscle failure, don't skip meals and sleep well
All these ridiculous dosages are for wankers who want to die
I've seen blokes on the gear that can lift montsrous weights but dont train to complete muscle failure....don't matter what you take, if you dont train properly you are wasting your gear.....seriously,5+ grams a week of test etc....dumb fucks...go see a doctor quick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave Palumbo said most pros dont take more than 2500mls a week, any more than that is a waste
There is no need to take more than that if you train to complete muscle failure, don't skip meals and sleep well
All these ridiculous dosages are for wankers who want to die
I've seen blokes on the gear that can lift montsrous weights but dont train to complete muscle failure....don't matter what you take, if you dont train properly you are wasting your gear.....seriously,5+ grams a week of test etc....dumb fucks...go see a doctor quick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bulldog2039
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Cutler told me at the Arnold classic one year he just eats his wheaties in the morning and takes fish oil
GangstaDogg
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Kevin Levrone used to get completely off after the Mr.O for about 6 months. That means no gear, no training, and no proper eating.
I guess this method worked for him, juicing hard for 5-6 months for the show, then get off.
I guess this method worked for him, juicing hard for 5-6 months for the show, then get off.
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