Jay Cutler cycle

[chazk]

I forgot all about Kovacs. Another example of bbing having nothing to do with genetics........well unless genetics include taking massive amounts of juice....but I suppose in a round about way.

Id be willing to bet Arnold took the most drugs back in his prime. Id bet that of all the Mr Olympia precluding Frank Zane and Chris Dickerson.

If anyone was all natural and held a MrO title I would suspect it would have been Chris dickerson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwyaJ6trE9o&feature=related
His back had amazing detail , In 1982 he was so soild and chizeled he looked like a fucking work of art. Good looking guy to . Nice smile his hair wasn't falling out no viens ripping out of his face ,No bloated gut.
He just looked healthy.

People make fun of him ,people poke at his size. I like the fact he was the underdog and used his selective posing and cool angles to show his strong points (calves and triceps ) and his create the illusion of a much bigger person.
Chirs was 185lbs when he won the 1982 Mro at age 43 with nearly 20 yrs of training under his belt I could see him being all natural.

I like this video of him he went out and had fun with it , he looked like he was having a good time,smiling moon walking LOL .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbhri2bxfwE&NR=1
it was a show man he posed and got the crowd going.

 

[GUARDIAN]

yeah there was some rumblings. that was one reason shawn ray retired.

Im sure Zane used. I just think out of the Mr Olympias he probably wasnt the most juiced up at the time of his wins. I think Arnold was probably on the most gear in his hey day such as Coleman or Cutler is today or even Haney in his day.

Wasnt there rumblings not too long ago even the pro bbs thought things were getting out of hand with the juice.

 

[tropo]

I vote for someone driving over to Jays house in Vegas, knock on his fuckin door, and ask him point blank "whats you cycle bitch?" If he doesnt fess up then drop kick the shit out of him in front of God and everybody.

Why bother. He claims to answer his own e-mails, so just email him and ask him.

 

[tropo]

yeah there was some rumblings. that was one reason shawn ray retired.

Maybe competing in 13 Mr. O's with no chance of victory had something to do with it too.

I would say the biggest "rumblers" are the ones not making enough bucks to make the risk worthwhile.

 

[Nelson Montana]

If anyone was all natural and held a MrO title I would suspect it would have been Chris dickerson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwyaJ6trE9o&feature=related
His back had amazing detail , In 1982 he was so soild and chizeled he looked like a fucking work of art. Good looking guy to . Nice smile his hair wasn't falling out no viens ripping out of his face ,No bloated gut.
He just looked healthy.

People make fun of him ,people poke at his size. I like the fact he was the underdog and used his selective posing and cool angles to show his strong points (calves and triceps ) and his create the illusion of a much bigger person.
Chirs was 185lbs when he won the 1982 Mro at age 43 with nearly 20 yrs of training under his belt I could see him being all natural.

I like this video of him he went out and had fun with it , he looked like he was having a good time,smiling moon walking LOL .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbhri2bxfwE&NR=1
it was a show man he posed and got the crowd going.

I doubt Dickerson was natural, though a lot of guys back then just juiced when prepping for a competition and it usually consisted of a few dbols a day. Sergio said he did 200 mgs of Deca a week and and 25 mgs of Winstrol a day. Ya never know but the guy was a total freak.

 

[mcluvin]

Dickerson was a great poser and battled for years against Boyer Coe. I remember them going back and forth trading wins over and over. Great longevity on both their parts. Dickerson natural ???? In the youtube video you can see the gyno to a small extent. Also I think the torn pec hurt his symetry but once again his fantastic posing covers most weaknesses. Later in his career he had some elbow issues where at least one was extreamly swollen and protruded badly.

 

[mustang_00]

i don't believe in genetics. i believe in testosterone levels!

 

[Tatyana]

i don't believe in genetics. i believe in testosterone levels!

Where do you think testosterone comes from?

The test fairy comes along and injects you at night?

DNA makes RNA which makes protein.

Protein is structural as well as the enzymes, receptors, some hormones in your body.


Testosterone is derived from cholesterol, which is either synthesised in your liver or taken in due to diet (how much of each, determined by genetics), and the various enzymes convert it to test.

The size of things like testicles range significantly in size, due to what? Genetics. More testicles, more testosterone.

Test in converted in the peripheral tissues to DHT. The number of test receptors, genetic, the efficiency of the enzymes that do all this work, genetic.

Other factors that affect muscle hypertrophy, mTOR pathways, genetic, myostatin, genetic, follistatin, genetic.

How your muscles look is determined by insertions, which are guess what, genetic.

This is a gross over-simplification of some of the basic genetic factors.

There is obviously a whole interaction between the genes and the environment, but it is nature via nuture, or the expression of the genes you got influenced by the environment.

 

[abolish the weak]

You guys want the real deal? The average top pro is spending more money a year just on pharmaceuticals than the 1st place winning amount at the Olympia. Fuck ,I got friends that haven't even placed top 5 at the Nationals who are dropping 30-40 g's/yr on juice and HGH. So figure out how many kits of GH, how many bottles of gear and insulin, along with ancillaries you could get with 100 grand. There is your answer

 

[Nelson Montana]

i don't believe in genetics. i believe in testosterone levels!

There's more to muscle growth than T levels bro.